(06-18-2018, 11:43 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: So, if you guys like and support the new zero-tolerance / family-separation policy.............that's your prerogative.

And, you can just own it.

There's no need to falsely claim the new policy is a historical one, nor to ignorantly claim that being removed from their parents and placed in a detention facility is somehow an upgrade for these kids.

(06-19-2018, 10:23 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: And.............just after posting the comment above, this story hits my news feed. :(



An off-duty Bexar County Sheriff's Department deputy has been arrested on a felony charge involving sexual assault of a child. Jose Nunez, 47, is a detention deputy who's been with the department ten years.

Sheriff Javier Salazar says the victim's mother is an undocumented immigrant, and the suspect took advantage of the mother's fear of deportation.

Nunez is charged with super aggravated sexual assault -- a charge applied when the victim is less than six years old.

Salazar says the victim, who is 4, cried out to her mother Saturday night.

He said the mother decided to go to a local fire station to report the abuse.

Investigators quickly stepped in and arrested Nunez, around 3 a.m. Sunday.

Salazar said Nunez touched the girl's genitals and hurt her.

Investigators believe the abuse could go back months or possibly years.

Full story: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bexar-county-texas-deputy-jose-nunez-sexually-abused-undocumented-immigrant-girl-4-sheriff-says/

(06-18-2018, 11:43 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: So, if you guys like and support the new zero-tolerance / family-separation policy.............that's your prerogative.

And, you can just own it.

There's no need to falsely claim the new policy is a historical one, nor to ignorantly claim that being removed from their parents and placed in a detention facility is somehow an upgrade for these kids.

(06-20-2018, 09:16 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:

(06-18-2018, 11:43 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: So, if you guys like and support the new zero-tolerance / family-separation policy.............that's your prerogative.

And, you can just own it.

There's no need to falsely claim the new policy is a historical one, nor to ignorantly claim that being removed from their parents and placed in a detention facility is somehow an upgrade for these kids.

Then please explain how kids were being held in cages back in 2014? Many were moved to Nogales by bus. When they arrived in Nogales, they were in a holding facility as well. How could that have possibly happened if this was not the policy in 2014 HoTD? Inquiring minds want to know.

(06-20-2018, 10:16 AM)Maggot Wrote: I'm not sure but I think that was Trumps fault, no wait.............that was Bushes fault. It's a big problem now because it's Trump and he is the watchman now. I've heard he eats baby's for breakfast with a cheese sauce. Again it doesn't happen when illegals enter through a port of entry and instead use other routes.

(06-20-2018, 10:15 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(06-20-2018, 09:16 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:

(06-18-2018, 11:43 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: So, if you guys like and support the new zero-tolerance / family-separation policy.............that's your prerogative.

And, you can just own it.

There's no need to falsely claim the new policy is a historical one, nor to ignorantly claim that being removed from their parents and placed in a detention facility is somehow an upgrade for these kids.

Then please explain how kids were being held in cages back in 2014? Many were moved to Nogales by bus. When they arrived in Nogales, they were in a holding facility as well. How could that have possibly happened if this was not the policy in 2014 HoTD? Inquiring minds want to know.

I never said kids (and adults, for that matter) weren't placed in cages back in 2014 at the peak of the border crisis. And, I posted about kids being bused to holding facilities when it happened in 2014 and referenced it here again in recent days.

So, there's nothing for me to explain to you on those fronts -- neither of those facts has been contested nor are they relevant to the new Trump policy which results in children being taken from their parent(s) at the border.

But, since you asked, I'll explain for you once again how the new policy that we were discussing is different from the policy under previous administrations.

The kids that were put in cages alone and/or bused to holding facilities alone in 2014 had crossed the border alone; they were thus unaccompanied minors when they entered the U.S. They were not accompanied minors who were taken from their parents at the border. Taking children from their parent(s) at the border by default is an outcome of the new 2018 Trump/Sessions Zero-Tolerance policy -- that's the new policy outcome which nearly all Republican politicians and Democrat politicians are presently trying to have reversed.

Anyway, I meant what I said. There are only two options: (1) you and Maggot are either incapable of basic comprehension, even with repetition, or (2) you were both intentionally lying when you claimed that the new policy has been in effect under previous administrations. I don't care which option applies. Your claims are false and I've already posted the factual truth for you in more depth upthread.

If you still can't grasp the simple concept or just enjoy posting ignorant and/or dishonest misinformation and deflection..........that's up to you Gunnar.

(06-20-2018, 11:44 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: You really are an idiot Gunnar.

I already explained, more than once, that there were rare exceptions when children were separated from parents previously (parents were repeat offenders or criminals). It's covered just a page or two upthread -- READ before you comment if you don't want to look like an idiot. I'm not gonna repeat every fact in every post because you're too lazy or slow to keep up, you just like to peddle bullshit, or whatever it is that compels you.

And, I sure don't feel like I'm dancing alone. There are two of you commenting here now that are either exceedingly ignorant or liars -- that's you and Maggot.

What I've posted is factually true. You stating that it's not doesn't change that fact. Even if you were more credible on the whole, it wouldn't change that fact.

You and Mags stating that previous administrations executed a policy of separating children from parents by default at the border is just as false now as it was when you posted it day before yesterday. Period.

(06-20-2018, 11:59 AM)Maggot Wrote: The solution to all this...............
1-make it illegal to come into the U.S. without proper documentation
2-do not allow anyone to "sneak" in
3-make laws that prevent illegal entry
4-do not give any money to people that come illegaly
5- build a wall with points of entry to allow them to come legally because all the above is not working or....................

let anyone and everyone come in whenever and wherever they want.

any other idea's ?

(06-19-2018, 05:28 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(06-18-2018, 11:43 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: And, you can just own it.

I'm not seeing anyone do that, not even the people enforcing it. I see a lot of bullshit justifying and outright lying and then there's the ol' "but they have food & towels" crap. Personally, I wouldn't give a fuck if they were being kept at the goddamn Ritz-Carlton, they were taken from their parents who don't know where their children are.

(06-15-2018, 12:22 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(06-15-2018, 12:02 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Ryan said that a draft bill to keep children with their parents will be presented today.

If it's the bill with compromises, trump has declined to sign it. He surprised his own party because the bill provides funding for his wall. Not sure what's going on here or if it's something different from what you referred to.

(06-20-2018, 12:25 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Did you see the AP report last night? They located the detention centers for migrant babies and toddlers.

The administration has labeled them "Tender Age Facilities". There are currently three of them in South Texas and another one in development in Houston.

There aren't enough caregivers to tend to the growing number of young children being taken from their parents as a result of the new Zero-Tolerance policy, so the race is reportedly on to staff up quickly.

Lawyers and medical professionals who've visited say the facilities are fine in terms of cleanliness and safety, but the small children don't know where their parents are and are crying in distress.

"The shelters aren't the problem, it's taking kids from their parents that's the problem," said a local pediatrician.

Story: https://apnews.com/dc0c9a5134d14862ba7c7ad9a811160e

(06-20-2018, 12:43 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Yeah, it's becoming increasingly more likely to me that Trump is using these kids as leverage in attempt to get his wall funding.

(06-20-2018, 12:45 PM)Duchess Wrote: Did you see that tool Kirstjen Nielsen get run out of the Mexican restaurant last night? I hope every person involved in this is shunned for the rest of their life. Fuck 'em all.