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RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - HairOfTheDog - 03-27-2016
(03-27-2016, 07:01 PM)sally Wrote: They are not assimilating well in Europe at all, they just blew up some more kids. Citizens can't even walk down certain streets over there without being robbed and beaten because they've formed their own territories. That's what Maggot was talking about and we can't let that happen here, and in some places it's already happening.
Those dumbass westerners that want to join Islamic terrorists also include muslims that are already here and are even more vulnerable. I'm not worried about the old man that came here to make a better life, I'm worried about his son or grandson.
So as you said, taking in thousands of refugees is worrisome and the last I heard that was Trump's feeling also. He suggested a temporary ban until we can get a hold on it and weed them out. I thought that was reasonable. However, I admit to not following everything these assholes say so it's possible Trump took that back and said some stupid shit like the only good muslim is a dead muslim.
Trump's proposal to freeze all Muslims from entering/re-entering the U.S. is an example of targeting all members of religious group for the actions of a few, sally.
Even fourth generation Muslims who live here and go visit family in Malaysia, or Bangladesh, or Jordan, for example, would not be able to get back in for an indefinite period of time, under Trump's proposal. That's stupid and discriminatory, in my opinion.
Trump was responding to the San Bernadino terrorist's Pakistani/Saudi wife when he went way over the top. If he'd instead said that the U.S. should subject immigration applications for new spouses and family members living in terrorist hotbeds to the same wait time and strict screening process as refugees to the U.S., that would have been more reasonable to me (and should absolutely include those coming from our ally Saudi Arabia, which has produced the lion's share of the extremist Islamic terrorists who've attacked us on our own soil to date - but never gets held accountable somehow).
To suggest a freeze on all Muslims entering the U.S. for an undefined period of time, on the other hand, is not reasonable to me at all.
We can agree to disagree and I get your points.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - Midwest Spy - 03-27-2016
HotD is cool with them being flown in, because she knows they're not going to SF.
Too expensive and where the hell would they put 5,000 of them in the Bay Area.
That's why it's easy to feel the way she does.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - Cutz - 03-27-2016
(03-27-2016, 08:40 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: should absolutely include those coming for our ally Saudi Arabia, which has produced the lion's share of the extremist Islamic terrorists who've attacked us on our own soil to date - but never gets held accountable somehow
Is it really that surprising? When Saudi Arabia is a swing oil producer? Why would any politician worried about political capital ever take a hard stance against a potentially powerful world economic force.
It's like embarking on a platform against Switzerland because they have banking secrecy which benefits criminals. No legitimate candidate is willing to go out on that limb. It could hurt them.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - HairOfTheDog - 03-27-2016
(03-27-2016, 09:36 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: HotD is cool with them being flown in, because she knows they're not going to SF.
Too expensive and where the hell would they put 5,000 of them in the Bay Area.
That's why it's easy to feel the way she does.
You don't think San Francisco has a very high homeless population, a lot of immigrants from all over the world (legal and otherwise), and one of the most socialist type economies in the country with a multitude of aid organizations?
You clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about, so you can just lick me, MS.
(03-27-2016, 10:30 PM)Cutz Wrote:(03-27-2016, 08:40 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: should absolutely include those coming for our ally Saudi Arabia, which has produced the lion's share of the extremist Islamic terrorists who've attacked us on our own soil to date - but never gets held accountable somehow
Is it really that surprising? When Saudi Arabia is a swing oil producer? Why would any politician worried about political capital ever take a hard stance against a potentially powerful world economic force.
It's like embarking on a platform against Switzerland because they have banking secrecy which benefits criminals. No legitimate candidate is willing to go out on that limb. It could hurt them.
No, it's not surprising. But, it's been a source of frustration to me for a long time.
On the plus side, just the other day I finally heard a politician (sorta) publicly echo some of my (and probably many others') sentiments on the matter.
On the minus side, it was...................you guessed it, Donald Trump.
Ah well, even the losers get lucky sometimes...
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - sally - 03-27-2016
(03-27-2016, 08:40 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:(03-27-2016, 07:01 PM)sally Wrote: They are not assimilating well in Europe at all, they just blew up some more kids. Citizens can't even walk down certain streets over there without being robbed and beaten because they've formed their own territories. That's what Maggot was talking about and we can't let that happen here, and in some places it's already happening.
Those dumbass westerners that want to join Islamic terrorists also include muslims that are already here and are even more vulnerable. I'm not worried about the old man that came here to make a better life, I'm worried about his son or grandson.
So as you said, taking in thousands of refugees is worrisome and the last I heard that was Trump's feeling also. He suggested a temporary ban until we can get a hold on it and weed them out. I thought that was reasonable. However, I admit to not following everything these assholes say so it's possible Trump took that back and said some stupid shit like the only good muslim is a dead muslim.
Trump's proposal to freeze all Muslims from entering/re-entering the U.S. is an example of targeting all members of religious group for the actions of a few, sally.
Even fourth generation Muslims who live here and go visit family in Malaysia, or Bangladesh, or Jordan, for example, would not be able to get back in for an indefinite period of time, under Trump's proposal. That's stupid and discriminatory, in my opinion.
Trump was responding to the San Bernadino terrorist's Pakistanti/Saudi wife when he went way over the top. If he'd instead said that the U.S. should subject immigration applications for new spouses and family members living in terrorist hotbeds to the same wait time and strict screening process as refugees to the U.S., that would have been more reasonable to me (and should absolutely include those coming for our ally Saudi Arabia, which has produced the lion's share of the extremist Islamic terrorists who've attacked us on our own soil to date - but never gets held accountable somehow).
To suggest a freeze on all Muslims entering the U.S. for an undefined period of time, on the other hand, is not reasonable to me at all.
We can agree to disagree and I get your points.
I thought he was only talking about the refugees and newcomers, not those who already have a status in the country. As I already admitted I don't follow everything and only hear bits and pieces whenever I give a fuck enough to listen.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - sally - 03-27-2016
I looked it up and lost my link, but I read that his policy wouldn't include Muslims already here. They can come and go freely like anyone else.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - HairOfTheDog - 03-27-2016
Well, sal, he's probably nipped and tucked that statement 20 times since he first tossed it out there, so I don't doubt that you have a link.
But, he did in fact claim that he would close the borders to all Muslims coming into the country completely right after the San Bernadino attacks, "until we can figure out why they hate us".
His campaign confirmed it. Then, he kinda walked it back on FOX. I don't know what he's proposing now and how it will morph tomorrow.
Snip:
Donald Trump, the leading contender to become the Republican party’s nominee for US presidential candidate, has called for a “total and complete shutdown” of the country’s borders to Muslims in the wake of the San Bernardino terrorist attack.
Trump made his most extreme pledge yet – in a race in which he has consistently pushed the boat out on issues of race and immigration – in a statement released to the media through his presidential campaign team.
He said there was such hatred among Muslims around the world towards Americans that it was necessary to rebuff them en masse, until the problem was better understood.
“Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” the billionaire real estate developer said.
The former reality TV star added: “Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine.”
Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said Trump’s proposed ban would apply to “everybody”, including Muslims seeking immigration visas as well as tourists seeking to enter the country. Another Trump staffer confirmed that the ban would also apply to American Muslims who were currently overseas – presumably including members of the military and diplomatic service. “This does not apply to people living in the country,” Trump said in an interview on Fox News, “but we have to be vigilant.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/07/donald-trump-ban-all-muslims-entering-us-san-bernardino-shooting
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - Duchess - 03-28-2016
(03-27-2016, 09:36 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: HotD is cool with them being flown in, because she knows they're not going to SF.
Too expensive and where the hell would they put 5,000 of them in the Bay Area.
That's why it's easy to feel the way she does.
How does she feel, MS? Hmmm? Go ahead and back up your claims with facts just like she does.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - Maggot - 03-28-2016
What do they do when they get here? Who pays for their flights? Who pays for their room and board? Forced resettlement in American cities and towns will never work in my opinion. Especially now, they will learn to resent America 4 months after getting here. Charity starts at home.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - HairOfTheDog - 03-28-2016
That information is readily available with a quick search, Maggot. But, here you go, lazy ass...........
- For the past 60 years, the U.S. has offered all refugees interest-free loans to cover the cost of their travel, but they must pay it back and they do.
- Prior to boarding a plane, all U.S.-bound refugees must sign a promissory note agreeing to repay the cost of their airfare to the U.S. government if they did not personally pay for their ticket.
- The International Organization for Migration (IOM) covers the cost of U.S.-bound tickets with funding provided by the State Department’s Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration. The loan money repaid to the U.S. government is invested back into the U.S. refugee program, according to the State Department.
- Under the agreement, refugees have to agree to pay back the loan within 42 months (three and a half years), and the average monthly payment is $85, says the State Department. The average loan amount for each refugee is $1,200, and the average number of people in a refugee family is 2.1, making the average loan note for U.S.-bound refugees $2,500.
-Since the implementation of the Refugee Act in 1980, more than $876 million in refugee loan repayments has been sent to the U.S. government, according to the State Department.
- Voluntary agencies help the refugees with food, medical screening, employment counselling and rent for 90 days. They are expected to find work quickly, support themselves, and start paying back their travel and resettlement expenses.
- Voluntary resettlement agencies attempt to place refugees near relatives, if there are any. If not, they attempt to place refugees where there are employment opportunities. Refugees are dispersed throughout the country, though sometimes they relocate to be with other immigrants from their homeland (specifically, the Somalis in Minneapolis).
- In FY 2014, new refugee arrivals went to 46 states. Top recipient states were California (3,068), Michigan (2,753), Texas (2,462), Illinois (1,064), and Arizona (973).
- One year after admission, a refugee may apply for Lawful Permanent Resident (“LPR”) status. If they adjusted to LPR status, they may petition for naturalization five years after their arrival in the United States.
- Refugee men who have recently arrived are employed at a higher rate than native born (67 percent to 60 percent respectively), and refugee women are employed at the same rate as native women.
While taking on debt might seem like a lot to ask of refugees, who often leave the war zones they are fleeing traumatized and wounded and arrive in the U.S. with very few belongings, the State Department says that by taking out a loan, “a refugee embarks on resettlement with a sense of his or her own responsibility for success in the United States and in repaying that loan contributes to the success of other refugees embarking on that same journey.”
In addition to giving a refugee “responsibility,” the State Department says the loans allow new arrivals to establish credit history, which it calls “an important step toward self-sufficiency” in their new American lives. (Canada has chosen to waive repayment of travel loans for Syrian refugees, the U.S. has not.)
Sources:
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/refugees-fact-sheet
http://www.newsweek.com/brief-history-refugees-paying-back-us-government-their-travel-403241
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - Maggot - 03-28-2016
Its truly nice to see the U.S. government giving no interest loans to foreign indigents yet American student loans at higher than prime rate interest rates. It truly is. it looks good for the "global community" and America is a very rich nation that can afford to give.
Its been a long time since I've crumpled up a 20 dollar bill and tossed it into a trash can.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - Maggot - 03-28-2016
REVENUE
Government Grants and Contracts $ 69,137,127
CRS Collection 1,162,866
Collection Fees on Refugee Travel Loans 3,166,625
Investment Income 287,897
USCCB and Private Grants/Contributions 491,360
Other 24,812
Total Revenue $ 74,270,687
These represent unaudited figures of the MRS
financial statement. These financials are in the
process of being audited by an independent
accounting firm and upon completion will
be made available on the USCCB web site at
www.usccb.org/finance.
EXPENSES
Personnel $ 7,858,385
Operating Costs 5,395,696
Diocesan Programs &
Direct Assistance to Refugees & Other Clients 59,396,654
MRS Grants and Donations 318,795
Total Expenses $ 72,969,530
Revenues in Excess of Expenses $ 1,301,157
It's hard to find the actual payback amounts from refugees, this is from the Catholic Bishops association from 2010
I'm looking for 2013 and 2014 financial statements although total asset and loss would be a long process as this is only one organization.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - HairOfTheDog - 03-28-2016
I don't much care about all that, Maggot. You don't want refugees coming here, regardless of the strict vetting, the process that promotes assimilation, and the imposed payback of the small non-interest bearing loan. I get it.
I wish more of their stable neighboring countries were taking them in, but I don't look at refugees as commodities nor their re-settlement as something that needs to be a for-profit business, and I don't mind that you do.
An average $2,500 loan per "most vulnerable, fully vetted" family escaping a war zone -- I'm fine with the U.S. only breaking even or taking a small loss on that initial loan within 42 months.
Personally, I'm hoping the families assimilate well like the vast majority of immigrants and refugees to this country have for decades and I don't resent them for being here. If some of them end up threatening public safety, I'll want them taken off the streets just like I want domestic terrorists and violent criminals already here taken off the streets.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - Duchess - 03-28-2016
I don't begrudge those people a small loan. I'll never know what it's like to go through what so many of them have endured and suffered through. When people come here in good faith I don't have one single qualm. Shame I can't trade some worthless Americans for them. Chances are, those seeking a better life will work harder for it than so many people who were born here.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - HairOfTheDog - 03-28-2016
(03-28-2016, 04:06 AM)Duchess Wrote:(03-27-2016, 09:36 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: HotD is cool with them being flown in, because she knows they're not going to SF.
Too expensive and where the hell would they put 5,000 of them in the Bay Area.
That's why it's easy to feel the way she does.
How does she feel, MS? Hmmm? Go ahead and back up your claims with facts just like she does.
Hey, don't distract him.
I'm still waiting for a lickin' from MS.
What kind of a pimp are you anyway?
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - Duchess - 03-28-2016
(03-28-2016, 02:09 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: What kind of a pimp are you anyway?
Not a very good one.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - Maggot - 03-28-2016
As long as you are comfortable with Syrian immigrants in your town that's fine with me also. That's what sanctuary cities are for anyways. I'm good with that. They don't like the cold so I think I'm all set. I think its wrong but I don't make the laws other people do. I'm just a humble servant that in todays world do not trust Americans never mind a refugee.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - HairOfTheDog - 03-28-2016
They've already been coming here for a few years Maggot, starting a couple of years after the civil war in Syria began.
They went through the long multi-step vetting process and, from what I see, they're trying to build a safe life here; working to provide for their families.
Crime rates for immigrants are lower than for natural born citizens here (and nationwide, I think). They avoid LE encounters and stay out of trouble more than most.
I know we see things differently; that's okay.
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - Duchess - 03-29-2016
Here's a devout Muslim, MS. Do you fear him? Would you lead a petition to get him and his family out of your 'hood? Would you think he is out to kill you and your loved ones?
![[Image: 329FFAA200000578-3513216-image-m-20_1459214600361.jpg]](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/29/02/329FFAA200000578-3513216-image-m-20_1459214600361.jpg)
RE: TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE - HairOfTheDog - 03-29-2016
Taliban Splinter Group: Jamaat-ur-Ahrar Suicide Bomber Massacre in Pakistan
![[Image: pakistan-isis-attack.jpg?w=590&h=402&l=50&t=40]](http://d.christiantimes.com/full/25115/pakistan-isis-attack.jpg?w=590&h=402&l=50&t=40)
Pakistan LE has launched a paramilitary crackdown on Islamist militants in the wake of bomb which killed 72 people on Sunday, as extremists took to the streets demanding Sharia law is introduced.
The massacre took place in a Lahore park on Easter Sunday. While most of the fatalities were Muslims, the terrorist group's primary target was reportedly Christians. Very sad; 29 children are among the dead. RIP.
'Our resolve as a nation and as a government is getting stronger and (the) coward enemy is trying for soft targets,' Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said in a statement from his office after visiting victims in the hospital and extending condolences to victims' families.
Security and government officials have made a decision to launch a full-scale paramilitary Rangers operation, giving them powers to conduct raids and interrogate terror suspects in the same way as they have been in the southern city of Karachi for more than two years.
The move, which has not yet been formally announced, represents the civilian government once again granting special powers to the military in order to fight Islamist militants.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512908/Pakistan-launches-paramilitary-crackdown-Islamist-militants-wake-bomb-killed-72-people-extremists-streets-demanding-Sharia-Law-introduced.html