(03-29-2016, 06:38 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(03-29-2016, 04:25 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: moderate Muslims need to own this as their problem and do what they can to fix it.

That's a crock of shit. They are no more responsible for those savages than I am for any batchit crazy Christian. You keep saying Muslims need to denounce those bastards. They have, many, many times and had you taken 5 minutes to educate yourself you would have found that to be true.

Here are a few examples. You want more? I can get 'em.

The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.” As the Vatican’s internal news source reported, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which represents 1.4 billion Muslims in 57 countries around the world, condemned the Islamic State’s persecution of of Christians and other religious minorities in Iraq, saying the “forced deportation under the threat of execution” is a “crime that cannot be tolerated.”

According to the Vatican:
The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they ‘have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.’

Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.” Lebanese paper The Daily Star reported that Al-Azhar’s Grand Mufti Shawqi Allam, Egypt’s highest religious authority, denounced the Islamic State as a threat to Islam and said that the group both violates Sharia law and humanitarian law: “[They] give an opportunity for those who seek to harm us, to destroy us and interfere in our affairs with the [pretext of a] call to fight terrorism.”

Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State. On August 11, Nabil al-Arabi, the Arab League Chief, denounced acts committed by the Islamic State in Iraq as “crimes against humanity,” demanding that they be brought to justice. According to Al Arabiya News, he said in a statement that he “strongly denounced the crimes, killings, dispossession carried out by the terrorist (ISIS) against civilians and minorities in Iraq that have affected Christians in Mosul and Yazidis.”

Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.” Turkey’s highest ranking cleric, Mehmet Gormez, decried the Islamic State’s declaration of a “caliphate” and argued that the statements were damaging to the Muslim community, according to Reuters:“Such declarations have no legitimacy whatsoever,”

Mehmet Gormez, head of the Religious Affairs Directorate, the highest religious authority in Turkey, which, although a majority Muslim country, has been a secular state since the 1920s.

“Since the caliphate was abolished … there have been movements that think they can pull together the Muslim world by re-establishing a caliphate, but they have nothing to do with reality, whether from a political or legal perspective.”
Gormez said death threats against non-Muslims made by the group, formerly known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), were hugely damaging.
“The statement made against Christians is truly awful. Islamic scholars need to focus on this (because) an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures heralds the collapse of a civilization,” he told Reuters in an interview.

CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.” In a July 7 statement, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called the terrorist group “un-Islamic and morally repugnant,” noted that the Islamic State’s “human rights abuses on the ground are well-documented,” and called on other Muslim community leaders to speak out against the violence. CAIR reiterated the condemnation of the Islamic State as “both un-Islamic and morally repugnant” on August 11, and on August 21, CAIR once again condemned the group, calling the killing of American journalist James Foley “gruesome and barbaric”: We strongly condemn this gruesome and barbaric killing as a violation of Islamic beliefs and of universally-accepted international norms mandating the protection of prisoners and journalists during conflicts.

The Geneva Conventions, the Quran – Islam’s revealed text – and the traditions (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad all require that prisoners not be harmed in any way. There can be no excuse or justification for such criminal and bloodthirsty actions.

We also call on those holding Steven Sotloff and other prisoners to immediately release them unharmed so they may return to their loved ones.

The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.” The Muslim Council of Great Britain condemned the Islamic State’s actions and expressed that they do not represent Sunni Muslims, according to The Independent. Shuja Shafi, a member of the council also said: “Violence has no place in religion, violence has no religion. It is prohibited for people to present themselves for destruction.”

The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches. The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) released a statement denouncing the Islamic State “for its attacks on Iraq’s religious minorities and the destruction of their places of worship.” ISNA President Imam Mohamed Magid said, “ISIS actions against religious minorities in Iraq violate the Quranic teaching, ‘Let there be no compulsion in religion’ (Surat al-Baqara 2:256),” adding, “Their actions are to be denounced and are in no way representative of what Islam actually teaches.”

100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.” As the Huffington Post reported, 100 Sunni and Shiite Imams from the U.K. came together to produce a video denouncing the Islamic State, releasing a statement that they wanted to “come together to emphasise the importance of unity in the UK and to decree ISIS as an illegitimate, vicious group who do not represent Islam in any way.”

Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.” On August 19, Al Jazeera reported that Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti, Abdulaziz al-Sheikh, the country’s top religious authority, said that terrorism is anti-Islamic and said that groups like the Islamic State which practice violence are the “number one enemy of Islam”:

Extremist and militant ideas and terrorism which spread decay on Earth, destroying human civilisation, are not in any way part of Islam, but are enemy number one of Islam, and Muslims are their first victims.

Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.” On August 20, the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) released a statement condemning “the barbaric execution of American Journalist James Foley by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).” MPAC urged “all people of conscience to take a stand against extremism” and offered condolences to Foley’s family. MPAC also noted the importance of countering ISIS and other extremist groups by working “to empower the mainstream and relegate extremists to the irrelevance they deserve.”

(03-29-2016, 06:55 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: That's called lip service.

How about some action?

How about ratting out the thugs amongst you? How about taking a stand militarily?

We know the U.S. and Russia are bombing them. Anybody else? And no, if Jordan flies 2 sorties per week that doesn't count.

Ground forces? Haven't seen any.

Edit: yep, went back and re-read my earlier post.

I said 'moderate Muslims taking a stand'.

NOT paying lip service.

(03-29-2016, 06:18 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(03-29-2016, 06:01 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Anyway, I'm not telling you that you're wrong to fear Muslims, or to fear Syrians, or to fear refugees, or whatever it is that keeps you up at night MS. I'm just telling you why I don't fear any of those things.

Classic HotD condescension.

Right on cue.

I'm talking about murderous thugs butchering people in the name of Allah, and that their brethren (fellow Muslims) aren't doing shit about it, regardless of what opinions you spout.

I'm not up at night fearing Syrians and terrorists in my incubated little suburb.

I do mourn for the innocent victims of this plague and chuckle when knowledgeable folks simply say, 'shit happens.'

(03-29-2016, 07:11 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I'm careful about distinguishing fact from my opinions in my posts.

(03-29-2016, 07:08 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(03-29-2016, 06:55 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: That's called lip service.

How about some action?

How about ratting out the thugs amongst you? How about taking a stand militarily?

We know the U.S. and Russia are bombing them. Anybody else? And no, if Jordan flies 2 sorties per week that doesn't count.

Ground forces? Haven't seen any.

Edit: yep, went back and re-read my earlier post.

I said 'moderate Muslims taking a stand'.

NOT paying lip service.

Look, you said Muslims weren't denouncing terrorism, I gave you several examples showing they have and are. Now you want them to take action. I'd bet my bank account you haven't even checked to see if any are. Average Muslims loathe the terrorists just like you do but you don't see that. You don't even try to educate yourself. You pick and choose what you want to know. Almost 2 billion people identify their religion as Islam and you'd rather blame every last one of them rather than the tiny fraction of that who are actually guilty.

(03-29-2016, 07:11 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(03-29-2016, 06:18 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(03-29-2016, 06:01 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Anyway, I'm not telling you that you're wrong to fear Muslims, or to fear Syrians, or to fear refugees, or whatever it is that keeps you up at night MS. I'm just telling you why I don't fear any of those things.

Classic HotD condescension.

Right on cue.

I'm talking about murderous thugs butchering people in the name of Allah, and that their brethren (fellow Muslims) aren't doing shit about it, regardless of what opinions you spout.

I'm not up at night fearing Syrians and terrorists in my incubated little suburb.

I do mourn for the innocent victims of this plague and chuckle when knowledgeable folks simply say, 'shit happens.'

I just read this post again.

You're a knee-jerk emotional drama king, MS. That's not me being condescending either, just stating the obvious.

I'm careful about distinguishing fact from my opinions in my posts. And, I don't care if you disregard the opinions I spout.

But, I do think you would serve yourself well to stop disregarding facts as a matter of habit. Being better informed might help curb your fears and allow you to sleep better at night in your suburban incubator, despite being fully aware that there are serious issues going on in the world.

And, by the way, you've been deriding the very same people you now claim to be so sensitively mourning, in post after post, Mr. Disingenuous.

(Disclaimer: the last two paragraphs of this post were both condescending and sincere).

(03-29-2016, 07:22 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: Anyway, keep on turning a blind eye toward Islam

(03-29-2016, 07:24 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: And, have no idea what your response is intending to say.

(03-29-2016, 07:29 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(03-29-2016, 07:24 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: And, have no idea what your response is intending to say.

She said you are a knee-jerk emotional drama king.

(03-29-2016, 07:43 PM)sally Wrote: In my opinion the old fart master is making more sense in this little debate than Duchess or HotD.

(03-29-2016, 07:43 PM)sally Wrote: In my opinion the old fart master is making more sense in this little debate than Duchess or HotD.

(03-29-2016, 07:43 PM)sally Wrote: In my opinion the old fart master is making more sense in this little debate than Duchess or HotD.

(03-29-2016, 07:52 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(03-29-2016, 07:43 PM)sally Wrote: In my opinion the old fart master is making more sense in this little debate than Duchess or HotD.

I think they're just trying to get somebody posting.

They can't really believe what they're writing.

Can they?

(03-29-2016, 07:36 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(03-29-2016, 07:29 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(03-29-2016, 07:24 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: And, have no idea what your response is intending to say.

She said you are a knee-jerk emotional drama king.

If you agree, after re-reading that post, then you and HotD are well on your way to joining BBH in the Old Bitty Club (for the mentally unhinged).

(03-29-2016, 08:13 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(03-29-2016, 07:43 PM)sally Wrote: In my opinion the old fart master is making more sense in this little debate than Duchess or HotD.

I think you've got your nose up his ass then, and the fumes are frying your brain.