(01-27-2017, 03:48 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 03:36 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 03:34 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: This started with Duchess incredulous that VP Pence would be at an anti-abortion get together.

I could hardly believe my eyes. I had heard about it but I didn't believe he would actually do it!

I just heard the Pro-Life movement (holding today's rally) was told to stay away from all the women's marches last week.

Edit: March For Life (official title).

(01-27-2017, 04:13 PM)FAHQTOO Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 02:02 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 01:58 PM)FAHQTOO Wrote: Is there a law against it? Seriously, is there?

Not that I'm aware of.

You're okay with this?

If it saves some babies, then I'm fine with it.

(01-27-2017, 04:13 PM)FAHQTOO Wrote: If it saves some babies, then I'm fine with it.

(01-27-2017, 04:27 PM)F.U. Wrote: Why is the pro-life/choice issue a religious issue? Isn't it just a personal opinion/belief issue? I am not religious but I am pro life. Religion has nothing to do with my decision.

(01-27-2017, 04:46 PM)blueberryhill Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 04:27 PM)F.U. Wrote: Why is the pro-life/choice issue a religious issue? Isn't it just a personal opinion/belief issue? I am not religious but I am pro life. Religion has nothing to do with my decision.

It has been made a religious by the extreme right wing evangelist zealots.....and not appropriate for the President or Vice President to be a part of either "side." Right now it is legal in the USA.....Go to another thread to debate your beliefs, etc....this thread is the "Trump Presidency" and as such, should not get in the mix.. Is that too difficult to comprehend? I know I have interjected my beliefs on this thread, but trying to get some of you people to stay focused on the issue of Gov't and Church is a waste of time. Your personal beliefs are not the issue in this particular comment which Duchess first commented that she couldn't believe Pence was speaker at the pro-life march......Vice President was totally inappropriate and the fact that some of you don't get this, validates my point that some of you are just obtuse.

(01-27-2017, 05:04 PM)F.U. Wrote: You actually expect a thread in this forum to stay on topic ? Quit drinking your bath water !

(01-27-2017, 05:10 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: I hope you're alive long enough to experience Sharia Law in this country.

Then tell me which is worse.

Oh wait... you're head will have been lopped off, so you won't be able to speak anymore.

(01-27-2017, 04:46 PM)blueberryhill Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 04:27 PM)F.U. Wrote: Why is the pro-life/choice issue a religious issue? Isn't it just a personal opinion/belief issue? I am not religious but I am pro life. Religion has nothing to do with my decision.

It has been made a religious by the extreme right wing evangelist zealots.....and not appropriate for the President or Vice President to be a part of either "side." Right now it is legal in the USA.....Go to another thread to debate your beliefs, etc....this thread is the "Trump Presidency" and as such, should not get in the mix.. Is that too difficult to comprehend? I know I have interjected my beliefs on this thread, but trying to get some of you people to stay focused on the issue of Gov't and Church is a waste of time. Your personal beliefs are not the issue in this particular comment which Duchess first commented that she couldn't believe Pence was speaker at the pro-life march......Vice President was totally inappropriate and the fact that some of you don't get this, validates my point that some of you are just obtuse.

(01-27-2017, 05:33 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 05:10 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: I hope you're alive long enough to experience Sharia Law in this country.

Then tell me which is worse.

Oh wait... you're head will have been lopped off, so you won't be able to speak anymore.

C'mon, MS. Sharia Law? In the United States of America? What is going on in the middle of the country that so many people have thoughts similar to yours? That's a serious question. I have never heard anyone on the East Coast express concern about something like that, never.

(01-27-2017, 06:40 PM)sally Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 04:46 PM)blueberryhill Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 04:27 PM)F.U. Wrote: Why is the pro-life/choice issue a religious issue? Isn't it just a personal opinion/belief issue? I am not religious but I am pro life. Religion has nothing to do with my decision.

It has been made a religious by the extreme right wing evangelist zealots.....and not appropriate for the President or Vice President to be a part of either "side." Right now it is legal in the USA.....Go to another thread to debate your beliefs, etc....this thread is the "Trump Presidency" and as such, should not get in the mix.. Is that too difficult to comprehend? I know I have interjected my beliefs on this thread, but trying to get some of you people to stay focused on the issue of Gov't and Church is a waste of time. Your personal beliefs are not the issue in this particular comment which Duchess first commented that she couldn't believe Pence was speaker at the pro-life march......Vice President was totally inappropriate and the fact that some of you don't get this, validates my point that some of you are just obtuse.

You can have morality with the absence of religion and church, BB. Morality isn't a personal opinion or belief, it's just knowing right from wrong. Obviously it's wrong to murder someone unless it's in self defense, right? When the murderer is punished no one questions it being a religious issue.

On the other hand religion is often pushed as morally right, as with homosexuals. Homosexuals aren't hurting anyone though so that's a religious belief and doesn't have anything to do with morality.

But abortion, well just how right do you think that is BB? When you have an abortion you are taking a life aren't you? That's not a belief, it's a fact. So to me it's much more than the government trying to tell women what to do with their bodies based on religion. Its much bigger than that.

Abortion may be necessary in the world we live in, but that doesn't mean it's morally right.

(01-27-2017, 07:40 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: BBH, I'm not trying to tell you how to live your life, but, when someone is as disdainful toward something I believe in, I want to figure out why.

I'm on your side when it comes to televangelists, fire & brimstone preaching, etc.

The Christianity I'm part of really does preach Jesus' love of everyone. Tolerance toward all.

My church has a Muslim outreach program.

It's pretty amazing.

Anyway, not trying to tell you what to believe in AT ALL, just trying to understand why you feel the way you do.

(01-27-2017, 08:15 PM)blueberryhill Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 06:40 PM)sally Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 04:46 PM)blueberryhill Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 04:27 PM)F.U. Wrote: Why is the pro-life/choice issue a religious issue? Isn't it just a personal opinion/belief issue? I am not religious but I am pro life. Religion has nothing to do with my decision.

It has been made a religious by the extreme right wing evangelist zealots.....and not appropriate for the President or Vice President to be a part of either "side." Right now it is legal in the USA.....Go to another thread to debate your beliefs, etc....this thread is the "Trump Presidency" and as such, should not get in the mix.. Is that too difficult to comprehend? I know I have interjected my beliefs on this thread, but trying to get some of you people to stay focused on the issue of Gov't and Church is a waste of time. Your personal beliefs are not the issue in this particular comment which Duchess first commented that she couldn't believe Pence was speaker at the pro-life march......Vice President was totally inappropriate and the fact that some of you don't get this, validates my point that some of you are just obtuse.

You can have morality with the absence of religion and church, BB. Morality isn't a personal opinion or belief, it's just knowing right from wrong. Obviously it's wrong to murder someone unless it's in self defense, right? When the murderer is punished no one questions it being a religious issue.

On the other hand religion is often pushed as morally right, as with homosexuals. Homosexuals aren't hurting anyone though so that's a religious belief and doesn't have anything to do with morality.

But abortion, well just how right do you think that is BB? When you have an abortion you are taking a life aren't you? That's not a belief, it's a fact. So to me it's much more than the government trying to tell women what to do with their bodies based on religion. Its much bigger than that.

Abortion may be necessary in the world we live in, but that doesn't mean it's morally right.

..I am not going to debate abortion on here with you Sally. Obviously, you are unable to walk in the shoes of others or ever had to make this decision or to live in a society where women died from having an abortion and the only birth control available was the rhythm method. Your self-righteous attitude is quite off putting to me..so you continue to live in your perfect little world but remember the pain that others went through so that you could have the rights you have today. I would like to know if you stop at the birth of the child and I would assume if you feel abortion (I am not pro abortion, but I am pro choice) is morally wrong, then you also don't mind paying more in taxes to cover birth control for poor women, to pay more taxes to feed, clothe, and pay medical bills of this baby. Yes, I am repeating myself....but some pro-life people vote against increase in education budgets, medical care, food programs, etc. for children...also some of the biggest proponents of leaving gun laws alone are among the so called pro-lifers.....My morality is none of your business, Sally and that is the point. Nor is it the business of the Government......Why is this issue bigger than the Gov't telling you what to do? Since when did the sexual lives of people and failure or lack of birth control ends in an unwanted pregnancy, become a lesser event in what the Gov't does or doesn't do. Maybe you just have to live through an earlier time to understand where I am coming from, but i do get tired of debating this with people who for one reason or another, cannot put themselves in the shoes of another person to try to gain insight into all that goes into the horrendous experience a woman goes through when she thinks she has no other choice than having an abortion and the whole country gets to make that decision for you. Not in my World......(Longest sentence in history)..

ETA: Now Trump is a good example of a morally deficient person and that is a fact.....So? Why are you making these distinctions in answer to original comment about separation of Church and State.....Yikes!