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RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 09-15-2018
(09-15-2018, 06:39 AM)Fry Guy Wrote: Does actually give Trump and his cronies the precedent to go after all of the Clintonmachine just as hard.
FG, people have spent my entire life going after the Clinton's. Years and millions of dollars have been spent trying to bring them down, if there was something there they would have been nailed for it and yet, in little more than a year Mueller has gotten indictments and guilty pleas from trump associates. It just looks silly and desperate to continue to bring up the Clinton's. trump does it too, almost daily.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Fry Guy - 09-15-2018
OKay, so you are convinced I am wrong and I am convinced you are wrong. We will revisit this later I guess and I am more than happy to do a mea culpa if I am proved wrong.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Maggot - 09-15-2018
If Clinton didn't have any loose baggage she would have won. Thankfully for America that is an impossibility considering her persona.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 09-15-2018
Just to clarify, while our presidential elections do depend on the electoral college, Secretary Clinton did get millions more votes than the deranged one because millions more people preferred her over him. That is all...
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Fry Guy - 09-15-2018
Yes, about the same numbers voted for him as voted for her as him both in the mid 60 million votes him with about 64 million and her with about 66 million. He did beat her though. She should run again
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 09-18-2018
trump has so completely fucked up the republican party that top GOP officials in Kansas including their former governor and senator are rejecting Kris Kobach for governor and endorsing the Democrat!
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 09-18-2018
I sincerely hope he's not fucking up in terms of the trade wars he's ignited with all of our biggest trade partners.
I always agreed with candidate Trump in that trade with China needed reform, especially when it comes to their lifting of our intellectual property. But, I do fear that President Trump going about it so bullishly is going to backfire bigly and hurt a lot of people/industries within our economy.
If anyone else is interested and struggling to keep up with the tit for tat trade tariff tiffs going down, this is a good short summary of where things stand today (with specific attention paid to China). https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/09/18/Tariff-wars-A-guide-to-the-many-disputes-between-US-trade-partners/4121532457249/
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - BigMark - 09-18-2018
It will definitely hurt short term, but force business to at least explore the business model of procuring stuff domestically. That could be a boon if we can keep policies in place long enough.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Ski at 1SKY6 - 09-18-2018
(09-15-2018, 06:04 AM)Duchess Wrote: Pence is no better than trump and in some ways worse, he knows how to fly under the radar. Manafort recommended Pence as VP. Pence ran the transition team. I'd like to know if he has spoken to Special Counsel Mueller or his team yet. If he has, I'd bet a lot that he lied to the Feds. They're all sketchy, lying bastards.
I think there is a possibility Pense is "Trump's Deep Throat". He also may be behind the New York Times op-ed. He does stand to benefit the most if Trump leaves the Office of the President. Pense knows how to keep his mouth shut but make supportive declarations when asked questions, knowing full well he can't speak the truth or say what he really thinks. I also think Pense's religious morals are deeply offended by Trump giving Pense a moral calling to do something.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Fry Guy - 09-19-2018
(09-18-2018, 02:45 PM)Duchess Wrote: trump has so completely fucked up the republican party that top GOP officials in Kansas including their former governor and senator are rejecting Kris Kobach for governor and endorsing the Democrat!
They are going to be fine. No impeachment. This FISA declassification and the testimonies of Ohr, Page, Baker, Lynch and others will sink so many.
Kavenaugh is in and they won't be able to stop that. Even if Dems win House (and I don't believe they will), they will not win the Senate and so with it goes hopes of Impeachment. Trump will push forward.
Hell I did not think he would manage to build the wall, now I am thinking he might.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 09-19-2018
(09-18-2018, 09:23 PM)BigMark Wrote: It will definitely hurt short term, but force business to at least explore the business model of procuring stuff domestically. That could be a boon if we can keep policies in place long enough.
I understand your point Biggie.
It's a risky bet with a lot at stake and I don't see too many economic and trade experts supporting these trade wars though.
Personally, I don't support businesses being forced to explore local procurement anyway. That drives prices up and choices down for consumers and closes off huge international markets to U.S. producers. I disagreed with my man Bernie on that trade point (he and Trump were pretty much on the same page in that regard).
$12 billion of our tax payer dollars are already going towards supplementing farmers negatively impacted by the new tariffs. And, the U.S. budget deficit has grown more than it's ever grown in such a short period of time since Trump took office (even though he was elected under the conservative/Republican umbrella).
If the painful 'short term' you mentioned is any longer than another few months, I think it's gonna hurt our economy a lot for quite some time and will backfire on Trump politically.
In my opinion, most taxpayers aren't going to be happy having our money re-allocated to bailouts, bailouts to industries which are designed to keep Trump supporters loyal. In addition, those citizens and businesses who actually benefit from and support the recent tax cuts (without concern about the resultant increase to national deficit) may not remain supportive if prices/costs increase more than their taxes decrease.
We'll see how it goes. Hopefully the gamble will pay off for the U.S. rather than isolating us economically as our trade partners turn to alternate suppliers.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - BigMark - 09-20-2018
If China could make the stuff they buy from us they would already be doing it, let's bring some stuff back home. It does make me nervous...
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Maggot - 09-20-2018
How the hell is everyone going to be able to fit into those size 2 shoes?
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 09-20-2018
(09-20-2018, 09:15 AM)BigMark Wrote: If China could make the stuff they buy from us they would already be doing it, let's bring some stuff back home. It does make me nervous...
Most of the revenue dollars the U.S. receives from exports to China comes from agricultural and natural resource products, which is geography-dependent (not know-how specific).
The Top 10 US Exports to China
1. Soybeans: $15 billion
2. Civilian aircraft: $8.4 billion
3. Cotton: $3.4 billion
4. Copper materials: $3 billion
5. Passenger vehicles (small engines): $3 billion
6. Aluminum materials: $2.4 billion
7. Passenger vehicles (large engines): $2.2 billion
8. Electronic integrated circuits: $1.7 billion
9. Corn: $1.3 billion
10. Coal: $1.2 billion
https://www.chinabusinessreview.com/what-america-exports-to-china/
China is now getting soybeans from Brazil and negotiating with Russia, South America, and Europe on some of the other products on the list above.
The U.S. has the know-how to produce the manufactured goods we import from China, but we can't produce and sell them domestically nearly as cheaply in most cases. Thus, the consumer price of such manufactured goods would increase significantly if produced here in the U.S.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Maggot - 09-20-2018
You forgot technologically advanced modern systems: 0.00 That is free.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Clang McFly - 09-20-2018
(09-20-2018, 11:00 AM)Maggot Wrote: How the hell is everyone going to be able to fit into those size 2 shoes?
*starts binding his feet and orders a Geisha costume on Amazon*
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 09-24-2018
I'm reading rumors that Rod Rosenstein is resigning and that he has already verbally done so to John Kelly.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 09-24-2018
...aaaaand it's just the White House lying again.
Fire him, you fat orange fuck. Do it.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 09-26-2018
President Trump is something else when it comes to the 'all about me' mindset reflected in his public statements and deflections.
Snip:
UNITED NATIONS — President Trump accused China on Wednesday of interfering in the midterm elections to damage him politically because of his tough tactics on trade.
Speaking at the United Nations Security Council, where he was presiding, Mr. Trump said, “They do not want me or us to win, because I am the first president to ever challenge China on trade.”
Mr. Trump has accused the Chinese of election meddling before, but never so bluntly or in such a high-profile international setting. He offered no evidence of how China might be interfering, or of whether its tactics went beyond trying to influence an increasingly bitter trade war.
Previously, Mr. Trump has accused the Chinese of aiming tariffs at American farmers and other politically sensitive constituencies in states that support him. He tweeted last week that China was “actively trying to impact and change our election by attacking our farmers, ranchers and industrial workers because of their loyalty to me.”
China stiffly denied Mr. Trump’s accusation. “We did not, and will not, interfere in any country’s domestic affairs,” the Chinese foreign minister, Wang Yi, said during his speech before the Council. “We refuse to accept any unwarranted accusations.”
Close allies of the United States have also responded to Mr. Trump’s protectionist trade policies with carefully targeted tariffs designed to put political pressure on Washington. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/world/asia/trump-china-election.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
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Gee, Prez, is it possible that when you start a trade war in an election year, the countries you're targeting might just retaliate in an election year?
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Carsman - 09-26-2018
The Trumpster said in a news interview he doesn't want to be too BRAGADOCIOUS of the great job he's doing!
If you don't believe it, just ask him!
