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RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Fry Guy - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 10:18 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I don't find The Wall itself to be "immoral". It's just inefficient and illogical as Trump described it during his campaign. Since he was elected, he's described it differently and in conflicting terms whenever he pushes immigration back to the forefront and depending on who he's trying to influence.
It makes much more sense to repair, improve, and extend border fencing where it's needed/effective as a deterrent; invest in better surveillance and detection technology; increase the number of border control against and provide ongoing training, etc...
There's no dispute about the need for investment/enhancement in border security. Both parties in Congress agree and have funded it year to year.
And, for years and years, both parties have also been working to get a comprehensive immigration reform bill passed, to address the issue of people entering illegally and improve the process for people coming over legally. McConnell wouldn't take most bi-partisan bills to vote on the Senate floor when Obama was President. And, now, he won't push forward on Senate votes unless he knows Trump will support the outcomes.
Congress's job is not to work for or against any specific President. But, that's exactly what's been happening over the last 8 years, in my opinion. Congress is obliged to work/legislate for the people, with equal and separate powers as the Executive. I really hope our elected Congressional representatives are pulled back to doing what they're supposed to do now that there's a split Congress.
"It makes more sense" No it doesn't and as shown above, saying so is laugh in your face, stupid. It is like saying "I have been burgled regularly and so I am going to get surveillance cameras at my house and improve my lock on my front door. I will still leave the front window open and the back door open but you know, I will be able to see what the people that rob me will look like"
It is retarded.
The Congress works for the people. The people elect a President to represent them. Trump is the President. Congress works for Trump.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 11:06 AM)Fry Guy Wrote: Congress works for Trump.
Congress is stuck up trump's fat ass when they are supposed to be working for the American people. trump has neutered them, they are scared shitless of tweets and being bullied by trump. It's fucking pathetic. Party over country. It's my fervent hope that all those old cocksuckas are kicked to the curb in the future.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 01-11-2019
I wouldn't give a shit if people laughed in my face FryGuy. Laughing doesn't offend me in any way.
It's unlikely to happen, however, because I don't find myself face-to-face in immigration/political discussions with fools who are: (1) uniformed of truths and facts consistently presented/verified by the experts, or (2) reject truths/facts/credible sources/common sense which don't conform to false or misleading rhetoric they blindly support, and/or (3) don't really know or care about the issue at hand and rather just want to laugh in my face or someone's face.
I pity the fools.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 11:24 AM)Duchess Wrote:(01-11-2019, 11:06 AM)Fry Guy Wrote: Congress works for Trump.
Congress is stuck up trump's fat ass when they are supposed to be working for the American people. trump has neutered them, they are scared shitless of tweets and being bullied by trump. It's fucking pathetic. Party over country. It's my fervent hope that all those old cocksuckas are kicked to the curb in the future.
Yeah, it's discouraging that so many of the people's elected congressional representatives are not fulfilling their responsibilities and instead focusing heavily on perceived partisan or personal gain, in my opinion. The ones who reluctantly toe the line in order to avoid being publicly skewered by the current President are just as bad.
It won't happen overnight, but I'm really hoping those such Congresspersons continue to be rejected by the people and our legislative branch of government becomes functional again.
(Congress doesn't work for Trump or any President, of course, unless they're shirking their Constitutional responsibilities. That ignorant statement conflicts directly with Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution and the foundations of our republic/democracy.)
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Maggot - 01-11-2019
IDK but I think a wall would stop at least 40% of the drugs, people, gangs out of the U.S. If I didn't have a fence around my pool I bet people would be in the damn thing in no time. Good fences make good neighbors. Add some high tech security and this nuttiness just might start getting under control. What would happen if there were no fence in the San Diego area?
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 11:48 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Yeah, it's discouraging that so many of the people's elected congressional representatives are not fulfilling their responsibilities and instead focusing heavily on perceived partisan or personal gain, in my opinion. The ones who reluctantly toe the line in order to avoid being publicly skewered by the current President are just as bad.
That old bastard Mitch McConnell is the worst, Lindsey Graham is running neck and neck with him though. John McCain is rolling over in his grave. McConnell is in hiding and Lindsey is sucking trump's dick in front of the world.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - BigMark - 01-11-2019
wow, you need to mellow homegirl.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 11:54 AM)Maggot Wrote: IDK but I think a wall would stop at least 40% of the drugs, people, gangs out of the U.S. If I didn't have a fence around my pool I bet people would be in the damn thing in no time. Good fences make good neighbors. Add some high tech security and this nuttiness just might start getting under control. What would happen if there were no fence in the San Diego area?
There needs to be fencing and heavy border control presence in some areas. San Diego is one of them. I don't object to fencing when it's a good effective deterrent.
Fencing and heavy border control presence at other areas along the border doesn't make geographical, fiscal, or functional sense however.
So, in my opinion, money shouldn't be spent on erecting a fence or wall in areas where other border security strategies would be more effective.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Maggot - 01-11-2019
Why is it that at every budget crisis the Dems always say that it's the Pubs fault because they won't do what they want. It's a recurring theme in every stalemate like this.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 12:02 PM)Maggot Wrote: Why is it that at every budget crisis the Dems always say that it's the Pubs fault because they won't do what they want. It's a recurring theme in every stalemate like this.
Stop. trump owns this shit.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 12:02 PM)Maggot Wrote: Why is it that at every budget crisis the Dems always say that it's the Pubs fault because they won't do what they want. It's a recurring theme in every stalemate like this.
I don't see that happening in this case Mags.
President Trump agreed to $1.6 billion for border security in 2019. The Democrats and Republicans all supported that funding bill.
Then, Trump got criticized or skewered by the talking heads who most closely target/influence his base. So, he did an about-face and rejected the bi-partisan funding bill.
He then declared to Pelosi and Schumer, live on tv, that he would be proud to shutdown the government if "you don't give us what we want", which is 5x what the bi-partisan agreement had allocated. And, McConnell admitted that he doesn't know what Trump really wants or what he'll accept, so he essentially took a powder.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Maggot - 01-11-2019
I see it as the only bargaining chip he has. If he gives in the Democrats will just do what they always do and kick the can down the road. And the wall is needed in the places that have no border agents. Not where there is plenty. Add some entry ways at certain points along the wall for processing.
Why not take El Chapo's money and use it to fund the wall?
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - BigMark - 01-11-2019
it more like 3 times
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Maggot - 01-11-2019
The wall has already been paid for by Mexico through the reworking of NAFTA.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 12:30 PM)BigMark Wrote: it more like 3 times
Thanks Biggie -- sorry about that. Trump's now demanding $5.6 billion, so it's 3.5x what was originally agreed-to in the bipartisan funding bill.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 01:12 PM)Maggot Wrote: The wall has already been paid for by Mexico through the reworking of NAFTA.
I haven't seen any details on how that's supposed to be the case.
I've only heard Trump say it as a way to explain why he's shutdown the government in protest of not being allocated billions of dollars in tax payer money towards building a wall which he promised Mexico would pay for.
The revised NAFTA deal hasn't been approved by Congress yet in any case. If Trump wants some of the forecasted future financial benefits to go towards funding the wall, why not take the $1.6 billion agreed-to previously for 2019, open the government so federal employees get paid, and negotiate with Congress to allocate forecasted NAFTA gains to the border barrier in separate legislation?
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Maggot - 01-11-2019
how many miles of wall can be built with 1.6 billion. It's a start .............a billion here a billion there it could get built. Tax the money that goes back to Mexico from the U.S. and it may get built after all...............Great Idea!!!!
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 01:32 PM)Maggot Wrote: how many miles of wall can be built with 1.6 billion. It's a start .............a billion here a billion there it could get built. Tax the money that goes back to Mexico from the U.S. and it may get built after all...............Great Idea!!!!
Do you believe this constitutes a national emergency?
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Maggot - 01-11-2019
There is quite a bit of mayhem and the illegals cost quite a bit, the drug problem is huge and in California the classrooms are overcrowded so much with them that the teachers want to go on strike. so yeah it has grown to national emergency levels. If you compare the cost of a hurricane and the damage done monetarily it would eclipse that. I blame it on people taking advantage of the system which needs to be changed and a wall would be a start.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 02:06 PM)Maggot Wrote: There is quite a bit of mayhem and the illegals cost quite a bit, the drug problem is huge and in California the classrooms are overcrowded so much with them that the teachers want to go on strike. so yeah it has grown to national emergency levels. If you compare the cost of a hurricane and the damage done monetarily it would eclipse that. I blame it on people taking advantage of the system which needs to be changed and a wall would be a start.
...and you're prepared to set precedent with that? I ask because there are those who believe guns/shootings are a national emergency, same goes for climate change, those are just a couple examples.