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RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 04-26-2019
He could be riding it like a wave but he's not, he's still whining about past bullshit. Every. Fucking. Day.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 01:41 PM)I Duchess Wrote: He could be riding it like a wave but he's not, he's still whining about past bullshit. Every. Fucking. Day.
Trump is always employing a reality show strategy, in my observation.
It works with the people in his base who see themselves as consummate victims, the always-aggrieved who care way less about facts and the good of the whole than they do about belonging to a side and perceiving that they’re sticking it to the other side.
In the show, Trump’s the aggrieved hero/victim of the establishment, the libs, the Dems, the Justice Department, and on and on.
That’s why Trump remains so underwater in terms of job approval, despite a strong economy, in my opinion. Most people care about the real issues more than the drama dwelling.
But, as long as he retains his base in the key electoral college states, it won’t necessarily hurt Trump if he runs again in 2020, and I think he enjoys performing for a devoted audience more than anything else.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 02:01 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I think he enjoys performing for a devoted audience more than anything else.
Agreed. I think it's everything to him. I think he lives for his klan rallies, it's the only place he has where he will be stroked & applauded. Everything he says and everything he does is for that 35%.
As an aside, I was borderline shocked to see that FOX news judge, Napolitano, say that Special Counsel Mueller's report showed trump did obstruct. He called trump's actions "unlawful, defenseless and condemnable".
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Maggot - 04-26-2019
His definition of "action'" is not my definition of "action" It does not matter at any rate, there is a mob mentality working against Trump and there is quite a few people that like what he is doing, they are not just the lefts definition of Klansmen. The cry of racism towards Trump is a fabrication of the lefts feeble mindset that establishes the futility of their morals and physiological stability for anything or anyone that disagrees with the group think. Like kids that have been grounded for throwing mud they are stomping their feet. But you have to commend their tenacity no matter how wrong it is.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 04-26-2019
trump is a racist who has klan rallies for his base. He loves getting them jacked up. I think they're slow because they never mind being lied to day after day. He's not lying to me, he knows I don't buy his bullshit. It's sometimes hard to express just how bizarre it is to see the people he treats so disrespectfully be so in love and supportive of him. I don't know if it's the strangest thing I've ever seen but it ranks up there.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - sally - 04-26-2019
Trump doesn't know or care what you buy, you're a pissant.The good news is your taxes may be lowered.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 04-26-2019
No shit, Sherlock, that's what I just said. He doesn't talk to me. The only people visible to him are his supporters.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Rootilda - 04-26-2019
Were your taxes lower, Duchess? I've seen Sally mention hers several times but I figure she's fairly well off if her husband is buying an overpriced brand name purse for their child at Disneyworld.
I didn't see an improvement on mine but I'm then pretty firmly middle class.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - sally - 04-26-2019
I'm a little above middle class and should be after owning a business for 28 years. Instead of getting screwed this time for building a reputable business under Obama I'm actually catching a break and a significant one. For this reason Trump is going to be your president for a long long time. When your party doesn't want to take seventy percent of mine and everyone elses money to pay for your bleeding heart shit maybe you will get someone better. Until then, eat a dick.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - sally - 04-26-2019
You don't have any kids, Lumpy and Duchess. You old fucking hags. Im a real woman who can actually get to claim my kid this time without being cut off at $75,000. Thats one perk among many others.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Fry Guy - 04-26-2019
(04-26-2019, 02:01 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:(04-26-2019, 01:41 PM)I Duchess Wrote: He could be riding it like a wave but he's not, he's still whining about past bullshit. Every. Fucking. Day.
Trump is always employing a reality show strategy, in my observation.
It works with the people in his base who see themselves as consummate victims, the always-aggrieved who care way less about facts and the good of the whole than they do about belonging to a side and perceiving that they’re sticking it to the other side.
In the show, Trump’s the aggrieved hero/victim of the establishment, the libs, the Dems, the Justice Department, and on and on.
That’s why Trump remains so underwater in terms of job approval, despite a strong economy, in my opinion. Most people care about the real issues more than the drama dwelling.
But, as long as he retains his base in the key electoral college states, it won’t necessarily hurt Trump if he runs again in 2020, and I think he enjoys performing for a devoted audience more than anything else.
Yes Trump should just take this in his stride? "I was spied on, under scrutiny for 2 years and smeared daily and now accused of obstruction for defending myself against something I did not do BUT I really should not dwell on this or further defend myself or call it out". Only the very, very, very stupid would consider this reasonable or proper or what he SHOULD do. Only the very, very, very dishonest would suggest that others should believe this.
I HOPE you are not in either of these categories.
How am "I" a victim? I do not perceive of myself as a victim. Ask any supporter here if they consider themselves a victim and the answer will be a resounding "No".
You are lying when you say this and you know it is not the truth. Drop the mainstream fed narrative when you know you are talking to people to which it does not apply. That is bizarre behaviour. It is like being told that women and men are equally as strong and then going to a bodybuilding show and announcing that to people in the audience. It is retarded. Please think critically. The talking points you are spouting are bullshit and insane. Spouting them uncritically makes you look either dishonest or insane. It is a really bad look.
"That’s why Trump remains so underwater in terms of job approval, despite a strong economy, in my opinion. Most people care about the real issues more than the drama dwelling."
Or could it be possible that the polls are not entirely accurate? When has that ever happened as it relates to Trump? (Critical thinking NOT spoonfed narratives, remember).
(04-26-2019, 02:15 PM)Duchess Wrote:(04-26-2019, 02:01 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I think he enjoys performing for a devoted audience more than anything else.
Agreed. I think it's everything to him. I think he lives for his klan rallies, it's the only place he has where he will be stroked & applauded. Everything he says and everything he does is for that 35%.
As an aside, I was borderline shocked to see that FOX news judge, Napolitano, say that Special Counsel Mueller's report showed trump did obstruct. He called trump's actions "unlawful, defenseless and condemnable".
Shocked to see Napolitano shill for Democrats? No you aren't. You would be no more shocked seeing Shep Smith or Chris Wallace say something critical and all for the same reasons. You are not stupid.
Out of interest what were his poll numbers before he won in 2016? You mention that they are 35% NOW but what were they then?
(04-26-2019, 02:58 PM)Duchess Wrote: trump is a racist who has klan rallies for his base. He loves getting them jacked up. I think they're slow because they never mind being lied to day after day. He's not lying to me, he knows I don't buy his bullshit. It's sometimes hard to express just how bizarre it is to see the people he treats so disrespectfully be so in love and supportive of him. I don't know if it's the strangest thing I've ever seen but it ranks up there.
What "lies" are they being told? Specifically. No, not a difference to how YOU see things but lies. Actual lies. Like "coming in under sniper fire" kind of lies. They are being told lies, what LIES do you think they are being told or believe. No more stupid Mainstream News or Democrat talking points but ACTUAL lies.
Has Trump EVER had a Klan rally. In truth, yes or no? Which party birthed the Klu Klux Klan? Democrat or Republican? Who do the KKK support? Which party is the party closely tied historically to Jim Crow and slavery? Which party does KKK have its roots in and to the height of their power, including being able to have KKK marches of 30000-50000 strong Democrats in the nation's capital.
https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/9938c279b1b44841b1211afb5cd38433/ku-klux-klan-parading-in-washington-dc-1926-courtesy-csu-archives-cwam4t.jpg
"B....b.....b....but that was back then and then Democrats become Republicans and Republicans became Democrats during the big switch. They all changed sides. They became Republicans. Robbers became cops and cops became robbers. Dogs became cats. Cats became dogs. Left became right. Right became Left. Down became up and up became down. It is all pretty self-explanatory and logical. Besides David Duke said some good things about Trump and therefore Trump loves the Klan even though he denounced them repeatedly. You just don't get it"
https://davidduke.com/thursday190131-4/
Want an example of a lie? Here is another "He's not lying to me, he knows I don't buy his bullshit". What does Trump know about you? He KNOWS what exactly? " he knows I don't buy his bullshit". Is that true, Duchess? Are you "lying"? He doesn't know a damn thing about you, does he? Yes or no?
So how about you stop bullshitting and lying to the mock forum? It is disrespectful.
That was not fair was it? Kind of hyperbolic speaking or being exasperated or venting or overexaggerating and calling it a lie when you simply were not being precise with language but by any REASONABLE reading, we understood what you were meaning to convey however imprecise you were being (Hardly "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"). So when you document the lies his supporters believe, please do not try the same thing, it would be hypocritical and I will gleefully point it out.
(04-26-2019, 03:36 PM)Duchess Wrote: No shit, Sherlock, that's what I just said. He doesn't talk to me. The only people visible to him are his supporters.
That is your hate talking and not logic.
Trump will be voted back in for exactly two reasons,
1) The Democrats are their own worst enemy.
The Democrats have not made ANY landing stick. What accomplishments have they had in the House? How is this Progressive platform looking? The only Democratic leaders the voters are interested in voting for is 4 white men, 3 of them straight and 2 of them old. The whole Trump is a Russian agent has fallen flat. The green deal exploded on impact and despite the support, no one voted for it. They have been tying themselves in knots trying to support Omar whilst she says more and more bigoted things that they can't downplay as bigoted. The ties back to the Democrats with Russian collusion and Ukrainian collusion and such is becoming more and more entrenched and deeper by the day. There is no unity as the Progressive wing is trying to keep pushing the less Progressives further Left and the "moderate wing" is aware it is crazy but is worried it is not a crazy that can be contained.
2) Trump is the better choice.
The economy is good, unemployment down, and society generally in a better place. He has held up his promises generally and without considering his manner, the effect of his actions seems good for America. The people who backed him were not all "Trump supporters". They were not all racist, homophobic, sexist, whatevers. His polling suggested he only had 35% support or less and yet people of all walks of life voted for him because they hoped he would stick to his promises unlike every other politician and even if he did not, he would scare the establishment from their complacency.
Trump will get his second term. I will enjoy the waterworks.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 04-30-2019
Ooohhhh. The shit is hittin’ the fan tonight, boys & girls.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Fry Guy - 04-30-2019
June or July the IG report from Huber and Horowitz is coming out and believe me by the end of July the fur will be flying and Democrats and the Intel community will be diving for cover and I will be laughing my arse off.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Duchess - 05-01-2019
So..Special Counsel Mueller sent an impeachment referral to AG Barr and not only did he cover it up, he lied about it and he's still obstructing. Now, who here is going to defend the indefensible?
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Fry Guy - 05-01-2019
(05-01-2019, 05:23 AM)Duchess Wrote: So..Special Counsel Mueller sent an impeachment referral to AG Barr and not only did he cover it up, he lied about it and he's still obstructing. Now, who here is going to defend the indefensible?
Okay so was this Washington Posts talking point or the Atlantic's talking point because it sure as fuck was not yours was it Duchess?
How about we attack this big claim head on? Was it an impeachment referral? No.
Mueller could not find ANY collusion/conspiracy/co-ordination with the Russian Government by Trump or anyone in Trump's Administration even though the Russians offered and IF you had read the report you would have seen this concession, right?
So. let's not pretend that this is a thing.
Mueller/Weismann were not able to exonerate Trump from Obstruction of Justice. Yes they can't because that is not their fucking job, nor has he be charged with or found guilty of such a crime to be needing to be exonerated for. Pretty transparent to see what has happened. They had nothing substantial. They were shitty that they had nothing substantial. They had to have SOMETHING to justify the investigation on Trump, but with no SUBSTANCE what have they got?
All they have is inference and suggestion in desperate hope that the vague suggestion of "some impropriety" rather than a substantive enough crime to prosecute will be enough to have the Anti-Trump contingent of the Republicans and the Democrats agree to impeachment based on NOT crimes but a sense of vague misbehaviour.
So place an unreal expectation that if someone is falsely accused of a crime which is not only investigated privately but weaponised as a daily smear campaign on all the media outlets, that ANY effort to deny, disclaim or question the validity of this false accusation is tantamount to obstruction. It is not and never was.
Also call firing a person that serves under his pleasure and can be fire for any reason he wishes, obstruction of justice, thereby limiting the President's constitution authority and invoking powers to people to elevate them with more power than they have been granted.
This is of course NOT Obstructing justice and only the dishonest say otherwise and only the very ignorant or stupid believe them.
Now Mueller wants Barr to be impressed or give more credibility to things like the fact that Trump fired Comey, said that the Mueller probe was a witch hunt and so on, to be able to kick the can down the road a little and make the prospect of a possible impeachment look something less partisan.
So now what is going to happen is the Dems after having won the House and then done nothing of note except the failed Green plan and the 'wait until the Mueller report comes out". Now they do not know whether to pivot away from failing at trying to drag down the Trump Administration and risk failing, or try to pivot to Health care or actual issues in hope that they can find common ground in their divided party lines and risk looking very incompetent and divided.
Barr is not obstructing, he is simply taking the same position as whatever is in Mueller's head. Now does Mueller answer to Barr or does Barr answer to Mueller? Mueller presented HIS findings and refused to claim that Trump had either obstructed or colluded and Barr took in the facts and made that decision for him.
BTW - What will happen IF Democrats push for impeachment? They MAY get it passed in the House but it will fail in the Senate. Then what happens to all the people promised it was a slam dunk, that he was a Russian agent and so on. It dies, that is what happens.
Trump's turn now. Turnabout is fair play.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - HairOfTheDog - 05-01-2019
Attorney General Barr is set to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee today.
On the eve of his testimony, media outlets reported that Special Counsel Robert Mueller sent a letter to AG Barr complaining that Barr's four-page summary of his investigation last month lacked context and created public confusion.
"He (Mueller) expressed frustration over the lack of context and the resulting media coverage regarding the special counsel's obstruction analysis," a Justice Department spokeswoman said.
Barr is expected to tell senators that the Justice Department's work on Mueller's investigation of alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election is done, according to prepared remarks released last night.
Meanwhile, President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, said that he found Mueller's letter to Barr 'very odd'.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/morning-briefing/mueller-letter-barr-unc-charlotte-shooting-yeti-claim-morning-rundown-n1000521
I'm more interested in hearing directly from Mueller and hope he ends up testifying before Congress in the very near future.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Maggot - 05-01-2019
I demand a new investigation into the investigation of the investigation!!!
Someone needs to get to the bottom of all this at least until it comes out the way it's supposed to come out! 
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - BigMark - 05-01-2019
We each pay for four people on disability, three of them could work. Freeloader mentality.
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - Fry Guy - 05-01-2019
(05-01-2019, 10:26 AM)Maggot Wrote: I demand a new investigation into the investigation of the investigation!!!
"Holy Crap, the "Insurance policy" did not work, if only we could find a way to string this out over the next couple of years we may be able to smear Trump enough to win 2020 and not have to actually make any Congressional achievements."
RE: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY - BigMark - 05-01-2019
I bet nine out of ten people on disability are democrats.