(01-16-2020, 01:29 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: It is some crazy bullshit.  I agree.

However, I haven't seen anything which convinces me that Trump, Giuliani, Parnas, Hyde and the rest of the motley Ukraine crew were conspiring to kill Yovanovitch.  

What I have seen documented in texts between Parnas and Hyde......is flat out wrong and would be earthshaking in any previous administration. 

The texts and the recent admissions from Giuliani's indicted Ukraine goon Lev Parnas make it clear that Yovanovitch was indeed targeted (for serious political four play, in my opinion).  They successfully conspired and lied to get her removed from her post.  

The documents show that Giuliani's ragtag team was following her and discrediting her, though Hyde now claims all those documented surveillance communications were just a joke and Parnas says he didn't take drunkard Hyde seriously.  Meanwhile, Yovanoitch's former boss, Sec of State Pompeo, says jack shit.    Weaselly assholes, all.

Yavonovitch was well known for her anti-corruption agenda and was targeted because she presented an obstacle to Giuliani's corrupt attempt (at the bequest of President Trump, according to both Giuliani and his indicted goon Parnas) to get the Ukranian government to publicly fling shit at the Bidens ahead of this year's presidential election -- which is why Trump was impeached.  

But, the GOP-controlled Senate has made it clear they don't care about abuse of power at this time and won't conduct a serious impeachment trial to determine whether the misconduct warrants removal from office.  

Anyway, to answer your question Duchess..........I honestly think most Americans have sadly tuned out because there is just so much fucked up shit, day after day in this administration, that it's exhausting.  

And, the 40% who support Trump no matter what .... seem to truly revel in the lies and corruption and/or will always just excuse or ignore it because he makes them richer or they see it as 'sticking it to the Dems/Libs'.  That's a short-sighted, dangerous, and petty mindset -- encouraging or allowing the President or other elected officials to ignore or intentionally violate the Constitution fucks over all Americans and chips away at democracy.

(01-16-2020, 03:49 AM)crash Wrote: Remember how great everyone thought Giuliani was during 9/11?

(01-16-2020, 01:29 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(01-15-2020, 05:35 PM)Duchess Wrote: Am I the only one freaked out by the trump/rudy/Parnas/US Ambassador stuff? Fine, I'll be freaked out for everyone by the appearance of our president & his personal attorney LOOKING LIKE THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT A HIT ON A UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR.

It is some crazy bullshit.  I agree.

However, I haven't seen anything which convinces me that Trump, Giuliani, Parnas, Hyde and the rest of the motley Ukraine crew were conspiring to kill Yovanovitch.  

What I have seen documented in texts between Parnas and Hyde......is flat out wrong and would be earthshaking in any previous administration. 

The texts and the recent admissions from Giuliani's indicted Ukraine goon Lev Parnas make it clear that Yovanovitch was indeed targeted (for serious political four play, in my opinion).  They successfully conspired and lied to get her removed from her post.  

The documents show that Giuliani's ragtag team was following her and discrediting her, though Hyde now claims all those documented surveillance communications were just a joke and Parnas says he didn't take drunkard Hyde seriously.  Meanwhile, Yovanoitch's former boss, Sec of State Pompeo, says jack shit.    Weaselly assholes, all.

Quote:Hyde said Yovanovitch had turned off her phone and computer, and that his associates in Ukraine would give updates on the ambassador's movements. He added, "They are willing to help if we/you would like a price ... Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money ... what I was told."

"Lol," Parnas replied.

Two days later, on March 29, Hyde wrote, "It's confirmed we have a person inside."

Parnas said Wednesday in an interview with Rachel Maddow on MSNBC that he never took Hyde seriously and his replies were intended to mollify him.

Parnas said in the interview that he regretted being part of the chain of events that ended with Yovanovitch being removed as ambassador.

In a a flurry of comments Wednesday, Hyde said he has never been to Kyiv and that the highlighted exchange was all in fun and had been misconstrued.

"How low can liddle Adam Bull Schiff go?" Hyde asked in a posting to both Twitter and Facebook. He later added, "For them to take some texts my buddy's and I wrote back to some dweeb we were playing with that we met a few times while we had a few drinks is definitely laughable."

(01-16-2020, 10:59 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Ukraine's Interior Ministry, which oversees the police, has announced they are investigating the alleged surveillance and have asked for FBI assistance. 

(01-14-2020, 08:20 AM)Maggot Wrote: On checking the passenger list of the downed Ukranian plane there were 24 high ranking Iranian diplomats fleeing Iran on it. Hmmmmmm. You heard it here first.

(01-24-2020, 01:22 PM)Duchess Wrote: The Pentagon has finally released some information regarding our soldiers who were hurt the night trump nearly started a war. Thirty four US troops have brain injuries. It's taken weeks to get this info after first being told by the president that there hadn't been any injuries to our people.

(01-24-2020, 09:27 PM)Rootilda Wrote: More like "they got those injuries weeks before the bombing, it had nothing to do with Trump."

(01-25-2020, 12:03 AM)MirahM Wrote: And how will he spin the "Take her out" comments from Trump regarding Yavonovitch?
Was he telling someone to buy her a steak dinner and take her out to ice cream after?