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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 07-25-2012

(07-25-2012, 06:20 PM)Adub Wrote:
(07-25-2012, 06:04 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: I can not recall a.c dating Johnny but I would not doubt. She screwed him because she is a Toledo most known man eater

She has two beautiful daughters by a baby daddy that is now "engaged" to Sam Williams' ex-wife. How bizarre is that?

I'm just reading to catch up but had to comment on this. It's a hoodrat gene pool, practically incestuous! Instead of hillbillies interbreeding, it's thugs.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Adub - 07-25-2012

(07-25-2012, 07:53 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: even if jury decides yes one or two others were there and involved, maybe even did the hands-on killing, the two on trial would still be guilty of 1st degree murder if they were parties to it. so we can't give up hope yet.

I haven't. But Big John threatening witnesses with hand gestures? WTF?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - imsuchawildflower - 07-25-2012

(07-24-2012, 10:23 PM)soothsayer Wrote:
(07-24-2012, 10:13 PM)Mustang Wrote: while they were in the garage eric taylor killed johnny.

Why isn't this fellow on trial?

My thoughts about this are that...SW and CP wont give him up until their trials are over, because then they implicate/confess to being there, when they say they werent there, let alone accomplices. I bet there are some more arrests when these trials are over. The police have said all along there were several involved and have maintained that there would be more
arrests besides Pettaway and Williams.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ZEROSPHERES - 07-25-2012

I am thinking the prosecutor maybe offed these 2 a deal to roll on each other or disclose their accomplices for a better deal. Maybe they played out their hand and figured they may get worse at the hands of the others in this crime by doing that. Hoping that one or the other would reconsider the prosecutor moved ahead hoping his case would improve before going to trial.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - DickTracy - 07-25-2012

Coroner takes stand in Williams murder trial
Cause of death: Asphyxiation due to suffocation, strangulation
Toledo Blade
Link



Black duct tape wrapped around the necks of Lisa Straub and Johnny Clarke to hold plastic bags in place was so tight it cut off blood supply to their heads, and eventually their air, a deputy Lucas County coroner testified in common pleas court today.

Maneesha Pandey was the final state witness during the aggravated murder trial of Samuel Williams, who faces the death penalty if convicted. The 26th witness in the case, Dr. Pandey told a jury of nine women and three men that both Ms. Straub and Clarke died of asphyxiation due to suffocation and strangulation caused by a bag over their faces and tape wrapped tightly around their necks.

Williams, 24, and co-defendant Cameo Pettaway, 23, are both charged with two counts of aggravated murder and kidnapping and one count of aggravated burglary in the Jan. 30, 2011 deaths of Ms. Straub, 20, and Clarke, 21.

The two were found inside the home of Ms. Straub’s parents with their hands bound behind their backs and plastic bags secured tightly around their necks. Clarke’s ankles also were bound with duct tape.

Jurors in Williams’ case are expected to hear closing arguments Thursday, then proceed to deliberations. Dr. Pandey is expected to testify today during the trial of Mr. Pettaway, whose case is being heard by a jury of nine women and three men in a different courtroom.

During the third day of testimony at both trials, investigators and analysts spoke of the evidence collected at the Longacre Lane home in Springfield Township where the bodies were found.

Of all the evidence collected, it was a discarded cigarette butt — and only that cigarette butt — that contained the DNA of both Williams and Mr. Pettaway, a DNA analyst testified in both courtrooms.

Cassandra Agosti, laboratory supervisor for the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation’s Bowling Green lab, testified that her analysis of a Newport cigarette butt found inside the Straubs’ home, near a door leading to the garage, contained a mixture of the two defendants’ DNA. She also testified that the majority of DNA detected on other evidence from the scene belonged to either Ms. Straub or Clarke.

Mrs. Agosti said DNA was detected on some of the duct tape, parts of the victims’ cell phones, and other items collected at the crime scene, but it did not match any of the nearly 90 genetic profiles that were submitted for comparison from suspects, witnesses, and others associated with the case.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Aberlin - 07-25-2012

(07-25-2012, 08:05 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:
(07-24-2012, 10:23 PM)soothsayer Wrote:
(07-24-2012, 10:13 PM)Mustang Wrote: while they were in the garage eric taylor killed johnny.

Why isn't this fellow on trial?

My thoughts about this are that...SW and CP wont give him up until their trials are over, because then they implicate/confess to being there, when they say they werent there, let alone accomplices. I bet there are some more arrests when these trials are over. The police have said all along there were several involved and have maintained that there would be more
arrests besides Pettaway and Williams.

Hope so. I really do.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - imsuchawildflower - 07-25-2012

(07-25-2012, 12:41 AM)Aberlin Wrote:
(07-25-2012, 12:02 AM)NightOwl Wrote:
(07-24-2012, 11:43 PM)Sonny223 Wrote: What is the chances this jailhouse snitch is telling the truth? I mean how would he know a Eric Taylor, or better yet why say his name at all?

I am waiting on the Ring that sits in evidence Amy Lynn TenEyck is Eric Taylor's ex she is on the Discovery Sheet, where does the ring fit in?

I 'm not sure if it does. Unless you have more info that what I'll post below:

Bates 670 - LCSO report from Detective Kozak dated 06/10/11 re: consent search of AT's appartment

Bates 671 LCSO report from Detective Kozak dated 06/8/11 re: property (ring) from AT

Bates 672-673 Miranda Waiver forms signed by AT on 06/9/11 and 5/17/11
Bates 674 Receipt for property for one ring from AT dated 06/9/11

Looks like she had a receipt for purchasing the ring legitimately. Unless the issue here is that it was purchased from a pawn shop (which I don't know if it was or not) and there's belief that someone involved pawned off a ring from inside the house (or a ring that belonged to Lisa).

If the police remove something that is in your possession, do they not give a receipt when they take it into evidence? Im thinking he gave it to her,
or, if she was there, she took it for herself.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Adub - 07-25-2012

yes, the receipt is nothing more than a property receipt. Meaning that LE confiscated it and gave a receipt of property taken.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - imsuchawildflower - 07-25-2012

(07-25-2012, 04:23 AM)NightOwl Wrote:
(07-25-2012, 03:36 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: "We also know there was the DNA of an unknown male on the duct tape on the back of johnny Clarke's neck. We know that there was DNA left on the duct tape around Johnny Clarke's ankles by a woman who's never been identified."

They say the male DNA is of an "unknown male"
The female DNA is by a woman who's never been identified.
Big difference between unknown and unidentified.
Ithink they know who the woman is, and she will be identified,
because she is known, it just hasnt been told yet.

Pretty smart of you to catch that!!

Something about that statement didnt sit right...I had to actually read
it out loud. LOL Hearing it made all the difference.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - imsuchawildflower - 07-25-2012

(07-25-2012, 07:51 AM)misshmarie23 Wrote: shitstorm-

me, T.W and A.C use to waitress at a strip club before together, they was living together. A.C sold some kind of pills to a dancer that worked there with us on a "front" that she would pay her the money by the end of the night when she made the money. However this dancer never paid her. us 3 was planning on going back to their apartment to hangout and drink. on the way there A.C kept calling the dancers phone none stop. the girl finally answered and told A.C that she didn't make enough so A.C would have to wait because she had to pay her baby sitter. A.C was not happy and starting yelling at the girl telling her she'll burn her house down if she didn't have her money by the next night at work. The next night at work we was all there and the girl still kept telling her she would have to wait to see how much she made that night (we worked at a slow strip club) the whole night while A.C was selling her shots we was all drinking (we got pretty drunk at work) she kept wispering stuff to t.w but i couldnt hear it over the music...by the end of the night the girl still told her she didnt have the money. she'd have it by friday a.w told her "you just fucked over the wrong bitch" us 3 left the club to go meet up with one of a.c boys so she could get some more pills off him i guess she was out. after under my knowlege we was just driving around smoking & waiting for one of a.c friends to call her so she could make a sale...untill we pulled up at these apartments on the east. we all walked up to the door and a.c knocked. the dancer opened the door the next thing i know a.c & t.w were both in this girls door way punching and stomping this girl. i could hear a baby crying i was shocked. a.c turned into a complete different girl then what i met her when she went to springfield. this became one of the last times i hung out with them outside the club..2 weeks later a.c was arrest for obstructed justice in the murder of t.w sons death and i stopped talking to them both all together.

sorry so long

AC "dont play around."

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - soothsayer - 07-25-2012

(07-25-2012, 08:05 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:
(07-24-2012, 10:23 PM)soothsayer Wrote:
(07-24-2012, 10:13 PM)Mustang Wrote: while they were in the garage eric taylor killed johnny.

Why isn't this fellow on trial?

My thoughts about this are that...SW and CP wont give him up until their trials are over, because then they implicate/confess to being there, when they say they werent there, let alone accomplices. I bet there are some more arrests when these trials are over. The police have said all along there were several involved and have maintained that there would be more
arrests besides Pettaway and Williams.
Here's hoping!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - imsuchawildflower - 07-25-2012

(07-25-2012, 12:38 PM)LoserCity Wrote: IMO - the State arrested Williams and Pettaway, charging them to the full extent, knowing they didn't have a solid case, but hoping that they would roll on Alex (the mastermind) and Eric Taylor (the enforcer). Sam and Cameo were there to participate in the robbery as reinforcements and share in the profit.
It doesn't appear that these fools were as messy as we would have thought (for not being professional hit-men). Their biggest mistake was involving the others. The best kept secret is the one shared with no one.

This has crossed my mind as well...

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - soothsayer - 07-25-2012

So it sounds like it's not exactly true that they could have asphyxiated Lisa to the point of passing out, then given her air, then rinsed and repeated until oops she died --- that can't be true because the coroner says they died from very tightly wrapped tape around their necks that cut off not only oxygen but bloodflow. They didn't tape her, untape her, tape her, untape her, tape her, untape her to find her dead and then RE-tape her. Coroner would have seen choke marks if manually strangled.

[Also --Not sure how her head got bloodied -- hitting the floor is a good possibility, or while the door was being kicked open but you'd think we'd have heard about blood on her bedroom door in that case. Why aren't they giving these details?]

So either Yingling made up a wrong story or the dude told him the story wrong -- prolly to make it sound like an accidental killing when it wasn't.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - imsuchawildflower - 07-25-2012

(03-13-2011, 01:37 PM)Duchess Wrote:
(03-13-2011, 01:26 PM)Adub Wrote: That is just not how it rolls, unfortunately. The ties to the community run deep. I'm not even sure that I would get involved, to be honest. If I were in that situation, and had lived through the generations.


I can't relate to those people in any fashion. How can one not want more for themselves? More education so one can make more money. I want it all. I don't see any of these "players" having drive/ambition/goals. When I read some of the shit they do I come within a nano second of posting that they all deserve exactly what they get.

if thats all you know....then you dont know better.
my grandmother used to say "it may be the gutter, but its their gutter and theyre comfortable there".

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 07-25-2012

Is the defense in either case going to put on any witnesses?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - imsuchawildflower - 07-25-2012

(07-25-2012, 05:06 PM)NightOwl Wrote: This is Steven Pettaway - Cameo Pettaway's brother.


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what i got from the transcript of the jailhouse calls was that Steven was supposed to do this with SW, as they are long time cohorts, but that Steven couldnt, so lil brother Cameo stepped up instead. SW agreed with Steven when Steven said Cam didnt do it like he wouldve. that Cam messed up.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - fabulous - 07-25-2012

I don't know about the whole jail-house snitch thing....it's hard for me to believe that a hardened criminal, or should I say streetwise thug.... Gets charged with murder...locked up in the county jail...and spews out the whole story to some *random* jail mate, just cause they're sitting around all day talking, nothing else to do kinda thing.... All this occured pre-trial, just...sitting over in the Lucas county jail, blabbing away??.... I don't know, I'm Leary....

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Aberlin - 07-25-2012

(07-25-2012, 09:25 PM)soothsayer Wrote: So it sounds like it's not exactly true that they could have asphyxiated Lisa to the point of passing out, then given her air, then rinsed and repeated until oops she died --- that can't be true because the coroner says they died from very tightly wrapped tape around their necks that cut off not only oxygen but bloodflow. They didn't tape her, untape her, tape her, untape her, tape her, untape her to find her dead and then RE-tape her. Coroner would have seen choke marks if manually strangled.

[Also --Not sure how her head got bloodied -- hitting the floor is a good possibility, or while the door was being kicked open but you'd think we'd have heard about blood on her bedroom door in that case. Why aren't they giving these details?]

So either Yingling made up a wrong story or the dude told him the story wrong -- prolly to make it sound like an accidental killing when it wasn't.

I thinks its too detailed and graphic not to be true. There's minor little things mentioned: the crinkling sound, the fact they made her pass out twice and the third time she died. We don't know what they used to tighten the bag...maybe their hands or even a belt?

The cause of death is still the same, the markings the tape would have made on the neck would still be from blood being pushed away from the skin.

My whole thing is why would Sam even say anything if it weren't true? Why not just do what everyone else does. "Hey man tell me what you think of this...so I've got this friend right..."

I don't think the snitch would have just made the entire thing up because there's only more liability for him.

Again, the nature of the details mentioned also don't seem too logical to have been made up...unless he's done this before himself.

I think if the account happened exactly as the snitch claims Sam said they did, Sam and Cam were in the garage smoking. No doubt they were on adrenaline rushes and probably burning hot from the whole situation. So they go out to get some fresh air and get away from the scene to think (don't want to look stupid scratching your head in front of someone you're trying to terrify).

Anyway, if someone else did kill Johnny while they were in the garage, there's no doubt in my mind that they would have heard it. There's no way Johnny wouldn't have been completely freaking out and enraged trying to break loose to get his hands on his attackers. Kind of too late to rely on kindness.

Plus he just watched them kill his girlfriend for nothing (if they were looking just for the safe). If I were him I'd be taunting the man to untie me and fight me like a man so I could kill him myself. I'd call him every name in the book to make him want to let me loose and take me on.

If it were Eric, I'm sure dropping the "n" bomb on him a couple times too many would have made him snap and decide to kill Johnny. After all whoever did it had all their weight on Johnny's head. That's not necessary unless you're furious...you just established minutes ago its pretty easy to kill someone with just the bag. Just a thought.

Anyway, in the mean time the defendants are smoking in the garage and they hear the struggle and think "what the fuck's going on?" So they open the door see what's happening and without even thinking drop the cig while walking back into the house. It probably freaked them out because they were trying to figure out what to do with Johnny. If this really was an accident they probably knew they HAD to kill him but perhaps wished there was something else they could do to keep him quiet.

I personally think we are getting too caught up in "who pulled the trigger" because every single person who was there lead to the victim's demise. Accidental or not, doesn't matter...Johnny was premeditated murder.

As far as Sam trying to make it sound like an accident, good point. Maybe just trying to make it seem "not so bad."

On the other hand, it sounds like something that would happen with overzealous people who aren't criminal masterminds.

One last thought...remember that the neighbors had their windows open. They didn't hear anything. However there was snow on the ground and snow is dense. Anything that is dense will absorb a massive amount of sound. Hence the reason why recording studio use studio foam, carpet, ceiling tiles, and a lot of insulation to absorb most sound they can. What it doesn't do a good job of absorbing is low frequency (bass). There's not going to be much of that here.

Just think about why people say they love it when it snows because its "peaceful". Its peaceful because its a "deafening quiet" sound. Sound doesn't travel as far. So I'm really not surprised they didn't hear anything. Remember, sheet rock walls with insulation behind a door, and more sound trapping in the garage.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 07-25-2012

Anyway, in the mean time the defendants are smoking in the garage and they hear the struggle and think "what the fuck's going on?" So they open the door see what's happening and without even thinking drop the cig while walking back into the house.

Yup.


This case is seriously fucked up. I just can't believe they can't come with up the other people at the house that night.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - tlynne - 07-25-2012

Man, its hard to believe that out of all the people they supposedly have dna from, that no one else has been identified! I still dont believe for one second that alex cousino wasnt involved in this.

This is kind of a random question but would it be unconstitutional or something if, lets say at birth, it was required to have your dna on file somewhere? I know its a pretty radical idea but if the gov had everyones dna already in a databank... maybe there wouldnt be so many situations such as this where they have dna evidence but no match? Sorry if i sound like an idiot. Just crossed my mind as i was reading tonight.