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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Mustang - 11-16-2012

(11-16-2012, 11:43 AM)truth be told Wrote:
(11-16-2012, 01:31 AM)Mustang Wrote: To Truth Be Told: Detective Kozak testified at Williams' trial that DNA samples were taken from all immediate family members of both victims, as well as all police, EMT's, investigators, coroner and any other individuals (including family) who were at the crime scene prior to the bodies being removed. He also testified that this is standard protocol.

Yes, He did state that under oath....that doesn't mean that it is true. "All immediate members of both familes"...has still not been done to this date. Yes, this would and should be standard protocol. (That should be a no brainer!)
Umm...OK. I guess I completely discounted the detective perjury possibility. Maybe we should be looking for whomever was on the Grassy Knoll. Williams' attorneys, while not what I would consider much of a brain trust, made a point of trying to take issue with the investigation and show shoddy police work. Having access to all the information brought out at trial I have to believe even that inept pair would have called the detective on a lie about what potential suspects were cleared by the DNA. Catching him in a lie in court would have completely turned the tide and instantly raised reasonable doubt, if not a dismissal.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Sphincter Cop - 11-16-2012

(11-16-2012, 11:43 AM)truth be told Wrote: Yes, He did state that under oath....that doesn't mean that it is true. "All immediate members of both familes"...has still not been done to this date. Yes, this would and should be standard protocol. (That should be a no brainer!)

Truth, curious as to what is your definition of immediate family members are?

Who has not been swabbed for DNA?

I surmise from the value you have put into your posts, grammar, negative condemnation of the court case, investigation, and investigators that you are likely a relative of one of the two families’ victims. After attempting to comprehend/decipher your statements made here, there is too much passion or angst being lodged to disqualify my theory. Especially, your consistent and unwavering feeling that Mr. And Mrs. Clarke are the “masterminds” in what had occurred. Personally, I am little conflicted as to who you could be in relation to these families. However, your posts present a thought of unsubstantiated accusations; which basically leaves me believing that you are emotionally compromised due to frustration, hate, or denial. It creates a personal prejudice within you, and a professional one if investigators begin to disregard you.

Not that you do not have a right to express yourself, but I tend to discount such antics. I can only assume that if my theory is correct; then investigators likely may have done the same with you and I understand your emotional discord. It can be frustrating, but is also a signal to step back.

I find the forced manipulation of one’s opinion on any case admirable because it shows a passion for finding the ultimate solution and looking at every scenario. But it does not give justification to conclude that a simple theory is fact and everyone should believe it; nor does it give anyone the power to blindly create a level of liability during or after an investigation. It probably carries some hefty legal ramifications in doing so; regardless of the emotional state of someone desperately trying to figure out the totality of a crime, without having specific knowledge of the entire inner workings of the case.

One conviction, one dismissal, and I do not doubt that the investigation likely continues at some level. Sometimes it is better to wait and see what the forthcoming months or year brings in terms of leads or persons of interest. The past court cases are still fresh, and people are still settling down emotionally on all sides. I think as this discussion continues you should have faith in a couple things. If the appeal process for Williams does not have a positive outcome; which most do not. He will be left sitting and thinking why his loyalty to the “no snitching” game has landed him pretty much a life sentence. As years go by people’s lives will move on and his won’t. He will be forgotten at times and likely reassured here and there that people still love him. But it won’t change where he is at or the fact that he is wasting away as just a memory or a shell within the confines of walls that have no love for him. He will eventually realize that it was all for nothing; he will get angry and depressed. It will be a repeated emotional torture that no persona has the mental fortitude to endure. He may manifest a mental health issue. His fellow cohorts that accompanied him that evening will be still out there committing crime or becoming statistics, and he will be sitting there with nothing but a false sense of pride that means nothing to the next guy coming into the system.

At some point, he (Williams) should probably think that regardless of his role in this horrific event, he could make a penance in doing the right thing. Then, as time goes on; he may find that getting out of the system will not be met with a tremendous amount of resistance but rather a characterization of showing he finally demonstrated what it means to be a “man.”

But until then, he will remain a dwindling number in Ohio that people truly do not care about, and will likely be forgotten like last weeks trash. The choice will be his in the end; his actions in providing truth over a false sense of loyalty will determine his future, but that might happen way too late if something worthwhile develops before then.

And this is a no brainer without being compromised at any level........

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - truth be told - 11-17-2012

Truth, curious as to what is your definition of immediate family members are?

Who has not been swabbed for DNA?

I surmise from the value you have put into your posts, grammar, negative condemnation of the court case, investigation, and investigators that you are likely a relative of one of the two families’ victims. After attempting to comprehend/decipher your statements made here, there is too much passion or angst being lodged to disqualify my theory. Especially, your consistent and unwavering feeling that Mr. And Mrs. Clarke are the “masterminds” in what had occurred.
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Who has not been swabbed from the family....let's just say that the number of family members who have been swabbed can be counted on one hand. Here is the definition of immediate family: Someone’s spouse, parents and grandparents, children and grand children, brothers and sisters, mother in law and father in law, brothers in law and sisters in law, daughters in law and sons in law. Adopted, half, and step members are also included in immediate family.
Sp. Cop's analysis of me couldn't be more wrong and off track. I am very credible and my resources come based on factual evidence and knowledge of the family. I had shared some very personal stuff Lady Cop. She and I had exchanged a lot of info. I can not reveal who I am because of safety reasons but I can assure you that my mastermind theory is right on and nothing to take lightly. I have been in contact with police since day #1 of these crimes. There is still a lot of information that has not been made public about the Clarkes that would piss every single one of you off. I am not talking about just their past history....I am talking about events which has occured since the murders which involves them. If the cops are reading this forum, then they know exactly what I am talking. Several Toledo Detective's have personally told me that they feel that this case was not handled properly from the very beginning. I saw and witnessed every step from the beginning. As far as Kozak saying that every family member had been swabbed and that the Dinars were never made public...to me, this just says that "I am not as in tune with this case and the details surrounding it as believed". During Det. Kozak's testemony there were also a few "I can't recall" from his mouth. I believe that Detectives got excited about the DNA hit on the cig butt and from that point on it was tunnel vision on the two suspects and lost focus on any and everything else going on surrounding this case. I have personal knowlege of very damaging evidence against the Clarkes and this case which was presented to Det. Kozak prior to the trials. That evidence was kept from prosecutors and they continued to focus on the trial. Everything will come out sooner or later. During a double homicide...every single thing is relevant! I have faith and I am still holding onto hope that justice will be served for all involved.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 11-17-2012



If the Dinars hadn't been made public I wouldn't know about them.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Sphincter Cop - 11-17-2012

(11-17-2012, 05:17 PM)Duchess Wrote:

If the Dinars hadn't been made public I wouldn't know about them.

I am sure it was more than the "dinars" being made public and the informants testimony that lead to qualified and educated prosecutors to move along with this case. Someone is trying to throw some smoke and mirrors up over a personal vendetta. Which I am about to respond to! Gotta love our Mockers who creep behind the scenes. Wish they would post here.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 11-17-2012

truth be told, are you saying Cameo Pettaway & Samuel Williams are innocent here and were framed?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - JsMom - 11-17-2012

(11-17-2012, 06:00 PM)NightOwl Wrote: truth be told, are you saying Cameo Pettaway & Samuel Williams are innocent here and were framed?

I was just going to ask the same thing. Smiley_emoticons_slash

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Sphincter Cop - 11-17-2012

(11-17-2012, 05:04 PM)truth be told Wrote: Who has not been swabbed from the family....let's just say that the number of family members who have been swabbed can be counted on one hand. Here is the definition of immediate family: Someone’s spouse, parents and grandparents, children and grand children, brothers and sisters, mother in law and father in law, brothers in law and sisters in law, daughters in law and sons in law. Adopted, half, and step members are also included in immediate family.
Sp. Cop's analysis of me couldn't be more wrong and off track. I am very credible and my resources come based on factual evidence and knowledge of the family. I had shared some very personal stuff Lady Cop. She and I had exchanged a lot of info. I can not reveal who I am because of safety reasons but I can assure you that my mastermind theory is right on and nothing to take lightly. I have been in contact with police since day #1 of these crimes. There is still a lot of information that has not been made public about the Clarkes that would piss every single one of you off. I am not talking about just their past history....I am talking about events which has occured since the murders which involves them. If the cops are reading this forum, then they know exactly what I am talking. Several Toledo Detective's have personally told me that they feel that this case was not handled properly from the very beginning. I saw and witnessed every step from the beginning. As far as Kozak saying that every family member had been swabbed and that the Dinars were never made public...to me, this just says that "I am not as in tune with this case and the details surrounding it as believed". During Det. Kozak's testemony there were also a few "I can't recall" from his mouth. I believe that Detectives got excited about the DNA hit on the cig butt and from that point on it was tunnel vision on the two suspects and lost focus on any and everything else going on surrounding this case. I have personal knowlege of very damaging evidence against the Clarkes and this case which was presented to Det. Kozak prior to the trials. That evidence was kept from prosecutors and they continued to focus on the trial. Everything will come out sooner or later. During a double homicide...every single thing is relevant! I have faith and I am still holding onto hope that justice will be served for all involved.

Thanks for clarifying your stance. It is now apparent that you are likely related to or close with the Clarke faction. You obviously lack the comprehension skills to garner what I said over what emotionally compromises you. I assume your “fear” is a result of being intimidated by such characters or a dislike of their lackluster lifestyles compared to your own. Likely, I will have to lower my standards in order for you to garner a better appreciation of what was looked at from an outside viewpoint instead of taking it so personally. Then again, your response answered my previous post in many ways.

Your unsubstantiated ACCUSATIONS of Mr. And Mrs. Clarke's involvement is an insecurity you are creating, but you have this alleged justified fear; right? Instead of wasting your time on an internet forum, why are you not taking this viable information to the investigators/prosecutors of the case directly or the media in all formats?? If you already have, why make it so public here; does that not jeopardize your theory or possibly furthering the case?????? What was their response? Was it not what you expected, so like a child you lash out and shop for answers through “other detectives“? There’s a representation of being unethical in law enforcement if I ever saw one. So I’ll take your reiterated opinion of theirs and flush it down the toilet. I would never, nor would my colleagues here FLA. lower their professionalism to second guess another investigator. Sounds like a little drama or someone just telling you what you want to hear. Despicable!

Your discord for the investigators is very obvious, so let me answer for you. You probably were put in your place during, or after this case. That explains your backlash against investigator Kozak; it almost parallels Mrs. Clarke on her social media sites. Maybe you should contact the investigators superiors, or call the F.B.I. There’s a grand idea, and then come back with a substantiated and non-personal presentation in which you can reap the rewards of solving the entire case based on your own theory and not reported facts. Mrs. Clarke might be eccentric and leads a lifestyle some may not agree with, but I think it is a far fetched idea to say she had a part in murdering her own child, and it appears personal on your part. Your numerous posts indicate that!

As for you engaging in conversations with “LC”. How stupid do you think she was? And you think she didn’t share her thoughts with me; again you really lack an understanding of the relationship I had with her and now I moderate the forum. Think about it.

She was just being kind and moving along with this subject matter. I on the other hand, lack the tolerance for someone’s personal vendetta over reported facts. I much rather have a viable discussion of new leads, persons of interests, or those surrounding the case than deal with negativity in regards to your displeasure with investigators.

Thanks to the members/lurkers for the emails. Today’s response only enhanced my opinion and gives credit to yours!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - truth be told - 11-20-2012

(11-17-2012, 06:17 PM)Sphincter Cop Wrote:
(11-17-2012, 05:04 PM)truth be told Wrote: Who has not been swabbed from the family....let's just say that the number of family members who have been swabbed can be counted on one hand. Here is the definition of immediate family: Someone’s spouse, parents and grandparents, children and grand children, brothers and sisters, mother in law and father in law, brothers in law and sisters in law, daughters in law and sons in law. Adopted, half, and step members are also included in immediate family.
Sp. Cop's analysis of me couldn't be more wrong and off track. I am very credible and my resources come based on factual evidence and knowledge of the family. I had shared some very personal stuff Lady Cop. She and I had exchanged a lot of info. I can not reveal who I am because of safety reasons but I can assure you that my mastermind theory is right on and nothing to take lightly. I have been in contact with police since day #1 of these crimes. There is still a lot of information that has not been made public about the Clarkes that would piss every single one of you off. I am not talking about just their past history....I am talking about events which has occured since the murders which involves them. If the cops are reading this forum, then they know exactly what I am talking. Several Toledo Detective's have personally told me that they feel that this case was not handled properly from the very beginning. I saw and witnessed every step from the beginning. As far as Kozak saying that every family member had been swabbed and that the Dinars were never made public...to me, this just says that "I am not as in tune with this case and the details surrounding it as believed". During Det. Kozak's testemony there were also a few "I can't recall" from his mouth. I believe that Detectives got excited about the DNA hit on the cig butt and from that point on it was tunnel vision on the two suspects and lost focus on any and everything else going on surrounding this case. I have personal knowlege of very damaging evidence against the Clarkes and this case which was presented to Det. Kozak prior to the trials. That evidence was kept from prosecutors and they continued to focus on the trial. Everything will come out sooner or later. During a double homicide...every single thing is relevant! I have faith and I am still holding onto hope that justice will be served for all involved.

Thanks for clarifying your stance. It is now apparent that you are likely related to or close with the Clarke faction. You obviously lack the comprehension skills to garner what I said over what emotionally compromises you. I assume your “fear” is a result of being intimidated by such characters or a dislike of their lackluster lifestyles compared to your own. Likely, I will have to lower my standards in order for you to garner a better appreciation of what was looked at from an outside viewpoint instead of taking it so personally. Then again, your response answered my previous post in many ways.

Your unsubstantiated ACCUSATIONS of Mr. And Mrs. Clarke's involvement is an insecurity you are creating, but you have this alleged justified fear; right? Instead of wasting your time on an internet forum, why are you not taking this viable information to the investigators/prosecutors of the case directly or the media in all formats?? If you already have, why make it so public here; does that not jeopardize your theory or possibly furthering the case?????? What was their response? Was it not what you expected, so like a child you lash out and shop for answers through “other detectives“? There’s a representation of being unethical in law enforcement if I ever saw one. So I’ll take your reiterated opinion of theirs and flush it down the toilet. I would never, nor would my colleagues here FLA. lower their professionalism to second guess another investigator. Sounds like a little drama or someone just telling you what you want to hear. Despicable!

Your discord for the investigators is very obvious, so let me answer for you. You probably were put in your place during, or after this case. That explains your backlash against investigator Kozak; it almost parallels Mrs. Clarke on her social media sites. Maybe you should contact the investigators superiors, or call the F.B.I. There’s a grand idea, and then come back with a substantiated and non-personal presentation in which you can reap the rewards of solving the entire case based on your own theory and not reported facts. Mrs. Clarke might be eccentric and leads a lifestyle some may not agree with, but I think it is a far fetched idea to say she had a part in murdering her own child, and it appears personal on your part. Your numerous posts indicate that!

As for you engaging in conversations with “LC”. How stupid do you think she was? And you think she didn’t share her thoughts with me; again you really lack an understanding of the relationship I had with her and now I moderate the forum. Think about it.

She was just being kind and moving along with this subject matter. I on the other hand, lack the tolerance for someone’s personal vendetta over reported facts. I much rather have a viable discussion of new leads, persons of interests, or those surrounding the case than deal with negativity in regards to your displeasure with investigators.

Thanks to the members/lurkers for the emails. Today’s response only enhanced my opinion and gives credit to yours!

I'm not surprised that Lady Cop never shared any information with you about what I have shared because she promised that she would not reveal any info I disclosed with her unless I was comfortable with it...because of safety reasons. She and I communicated Privately for over a year. Everything will eventually come out.

truth be told, are you saying Cameo Pettaway & Samuel Williams are innocent here and were framed? No, not at all. I don't personally know either of them and never heard of them until their arrest. I have no idea what part or role the two played the in killings. I am just say that IMO- that with everything that I personally know and have seen about about the Clarkes (most of which has not been made public)....it is just a matter of time before they are standing in front of a judge.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 12-04-2012

From Facebook Justice for Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub page a sketch by Johnny's little brother.


[Image: 736_399122423497605_705552536_n.jpg]

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - JsMom - 12-05-2012

(12-04-2012, 10:07 PM)NightOwl Wrote: From Facebook Justice for Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub page a sketch by Johnny's little brother.


[Image: 736_399122423497605_705552536_n.jpg]

How Precious!
I feel horrible for the 2 younger boys.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - queen bitch - 12-07-2012

So is Cameo in or out of jail? What happened to his domestic violence case??

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 12-07-2012

(12-07-2012, 05:12 AM)queen bitch Wrote: So is Cameo in or out of jail? What happened to his domestic violence case??

He is still in jail, arraignment was rescheduled for December 17th, 1 P.M.
Court is awaiting Competency to stand trial and a Mental Health Evaluation.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - queen bitch - 12-07-2012

Thank you Nightowl. Again they prove he is mentally unstable?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - queen bitch - 12-19-2012

Any word how court went?? Was wondering???

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Sphincter Cop - 12-19-2012

(12-19-2012, 06:31 AM)queen bitch Wrote: Any word how court went?? Was wondering???

I checked their local court docket, it has not been updated yet. Still waiting.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - queen bitch - 12-19-2012

Thank you Sphincter Cop....

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 12-19-2012



Bottom line - will that tard spend Christmas in the slammer?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Sphincter Cop - 12-19-2012

(12-19-2012, 06:51 PM)Duchess Wrote:

Bottom line - will that tard spend Christmas in the slammer?

It appears so! OMG...he was found competent! HA! I guess they pick and choose case by case in Ohio!!!



12/17/2012
: DEF FOUND COMPETENT/ARR HELD
590-000000471 issued by 171 ()
Dated December 17, 2012. Court Reporter DOUG ACKERMAN
ordered. State of Ohio: MARK HERR. Defendant, CAMEO
PETTAWAY present and represented by KURT W BRUDERLY.
A hearing was held on defendant's competence to stand
trial pursuant to R.C. 2945.37 and 2945.38. The report
from Court Diagnostic and Treatment Center dated December
13, 2012, prepared by Thomas G. Sherman, M.D. , was
received and admitted into evidence. Based upon the
report, the defendant is found competent to stand trial.
Matter proceeded to arraignment. Defendant acknowledged
receipt of a copy of the indictment. Waived any defects
as to time, place or manner of service. Waived its
reading in open court and entered a plea of not guilty.
Matter scheduled for trial on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
at 9:00 a.m.

Bond continued.
JUDGE STACY L COOK
PARTY : D1 - PETTAWAY CAMEO

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 12-19-2012



Ohmaigawd! That's a gift!