(02-15-2011, 11:24 AM)jash Wrote:

Quote:RaisingAPrince Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:01 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote:
I urge you all to be more fair here. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO BEAT
LISA UP. My mother beat me up (usually where it did not show)
in rage. I had a little brother who would kick every time he waked
by. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO BEAT LISA UP. It could have been
she was in a hen fight. WE CAN NOT BLAME X due to rumor. Please.

(I am not placing ANY blame on anyone, but suggesting it does not
necessarily mean the bruises came from X)

Thank you for those comments. I completely agree. For all we know, JC hit Lisa? If he was "known" to punch her friend in the stomach, who knows what went on between him and LS!!

I said I would answer totally curious when we came back up so here goes.

First of all, if we aren't looking at anyone strictly by rumor then I guess that blows atleast half of what has been said about Tiffany & Maytee out of the water. ALSO I'm not blaming the ex BD for, especially murder or in the involvement in it. I simply said I do not understand why LS's parents would invite him (because the funeral was private so invitation was needed) to the funeral.

The reason why I do not understand it is because of this: If you go back to page 131 post #1834 by Jash, she looked up the ex, BD & found him in the Sylvania Municpal Courts website. Just a snippit of what was reported:

"He did have an assault charge filed in 2009.
Had to make restitution, fines, etc, and dismissed charges. He completed anger management and restitution. There was a "no contact" instigated against the victim of the assault, but it does NOT name the victim."

While the dockets do not name the victim, I am basing my opinion on this legal public document (fact) coupled with testimony from those who claim to know Lisa & her ex BD & things that happened between the 2 which included physical abuse & stalking.(possible rumor) These claims were made (if memory serves me right, because why else would there be a need to look him up) before Jash even looked up the ex so its not as if people who claim to know Lisa came in, saw Jashs post & THEN said Oh yeah BTW about that EX of hers....

These charges were from 2009, it is rumored that JC & LS had been dating for about 2 years, which would mean the beginning of their relationship was sometime in or around 2009, around the same time these charges & the no contact order was filed. The person who claimed to have worked with Lisa & saw her come into work beat the hell up, specifically asked why the ex, BD was not being investigated, not JC, although I'm not claiming that JC wasn't capable of physical violence, he just doesn't fit into the timeline for this reported incident & isn't named by the claimant. Now to say that we don't know where she got the bruises is true, the only way to know would be to witness the incident. I do think it's common for victims of DV to lie & say they bumped into walls or fell down stairs to account for their injuries too.

I'm just putting 2 & 2 together. It has been claimed/rumored/reported/testified too.... however you'd like to put it, that BD was a psycho, that he stalked her & that he beat her & then I have fact from a court docket that says he assaulted someone & had a TRO put out on him. If it somehow comes out in the wash that his charges & the TRO are completely unrelated to Lisa, well then my most heart felt apologies but I don't think that's the case & that's why I don't understand why he was invited to the funeral

EXACTLY! And add to the list, that at the same time (same date) he was also arrested for criminal trespass. A previous poster, claiming to be a friend of Lisa's stated that the criminal trespass happened when he went to the house, and either actually got in, or tried to get in, to see or get to Lisa. TRO stems from that incident, and friends of Lisa have posted he should be looked at cuz he has hit her before. You do not receive a TRO in a he said, she said thing....he got it slapped on him because he came to her home, was stalking her, had been abusive, etc. For people to have sympathy for HIM, is beyond me. That was my point, why would her parents allow him there as it would be a COLD COLD day in hell that any man that caused my daughter physical and emotional pain would weep at her casket. If in fact he was there, to me, this perpetuates the diminishing or desensitization that is occurring relating to violence against women. Sure, he abused her, but he didn't kill her, so he is elevated above JC and his hoodrat friends. Aw...poor BD, they were high school sweethearts, he looooved her...yeah, he loved her so much he stalked, alledgedly broke into her home, beat her according to friends, was arrested, had to undergo anger management classes, and got a TRO slapped against him...but Oh well, Lisa's gone now and all is forgiven? Some of the younger women on here claiming to be lisa's friends also seem to have sympathy for him, but again, that is the mindset of alot of young women. They say, "Yes, we knew it, but she loved him, what could we do?" They don't GET that they can do ALOT. Is it SO common amongst young people now that everyone assumes physical/emotional abuse is just a normal part of a relationship?? NO FUCKING WAY on my part. This is just my opinion of course, but to have one iota of sympathy for an abusive loser...I just don't get that AT ALL...not at all.
His record is a FACT...and it was backed up by claimed friends of Lisa's on the board.

(02-15-2011, 11:28 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: "central security documents were found"

Are these documents to the home security system? Or some other type of securities? Sorry if it was asked...

(02-15-2011, 11:28 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: "central security documents were found"

Are these documents to the home security system? Or some other type of securities? Sorry if it was asked...

(02-15-2011, 03:59 AM)netsleuth Wrote: Did anyone see the post on one of the newspaper websites where Johnny was supposedly telling friends that Lisa's parents had a safe and he would fan himself with cash? Sounds like he was joshing, but someone may have taken him seriously. I'll see if I can find it, if it's not been posted by tomorrow. I'm out for the evening.

I'm starting to fear that there will not be an arrest? It doesn't seem possible given the characters who are likely involved but man, one would think they'd have something by now. Ladycop, feel free to weigh in. What might they be waiting for in terms of forensics, etc. before making an arrest?

(02-15-2011, 11:46 AM)curious Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 11:28 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: "central security documents were found"

Are these documents to the home security system? Or some other type of securities? Sorry if it was asked...

I've been wondering the same thing and the central security documents are somehow linked to the DVD. Also curious about the cardboard boxes and foreign currency seized...might these items all be related somehow? Has there been any mention of LS parents' occupation? And lastly, is anyone else suspicious of the pink/black interband pants found under LS neck...

(02-15-2011, 11:46 AM)curious Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 11:28 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: "central security documents were found"

Are these documents to the home security system? Or some other type of securities? Sorry if it was asked...

I've been wondering the same thing and the central security documents are somehow linked to the DVD. Also curious about the cardboard boxes and foreign currency seized...might these items all be related somehow? Has there been any mention of LS parents' occupation? And lastly, is anyone else suspicious of the pink/black interband pants found under LS neck...

Quote:just getting aught up, johnnys mother lives in her parents house, also when jc was in that trouble, his mom had his settlement money from a car acc, years before, i think it was like under 30 thousand, he got a car and all i knew was his mom went threw it,,,,,,,,,,,,just thought that could help on the lawyer info.

Quote:I found this tweet (below) from our local ABC affiliate interesting. Possible that the speculation is that an arrest is coming and they want to get their story constructed ahead of time?

13abc - Friend of Lisa Straub? The newsroom is interested in talking with you. Call 419-534-3858 and ask for Alexis.

(02-15-2011, 10:44 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: [quote='RaisingAPrince' pid='127913' dateline='1297699492']
[quote='TotallyCurious' pid='127910' dateline='1297699278']
If it somehow comes out in the wash that his charges & the TRO are completely unrelated to Lisa, well then my most heart felt apologies but I don't think that's the case & that's why I don't understand why he was invited to the funeral.

(02-15-2011, 09:26 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Good morning everyone nice to be back

For anyone who want to see LE's record of arrests for Maytee and JC's in a much easier to read format, and it has all the evidence that was collected.

http://www.thewaronwomen.org/crime/594264-murdered-couple-lisa-straub-and-johnny-clarke-who-knew/

(02-15-2011, 07:51 AM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-14-2011, 11:56 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Seems like some people were thinking the same thing you were LC:

Carrie Sautter
The comments that were being made could easily fall into being...
Incite: Encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behavior) One CAN be arrested for this, so IMO I think it was best that the mod of this page did what he/she did. I feel for ...his mother, and think the families of both victims could benefit from counseling after losing their children in such a heinous way. I also hope the mod here continues to update articles and such to keep all informed and up to date on this case that we ALL so desperately want solved!!

yes, well EVERYONE reads at MOCK!


Law Enforcement, give us a presser please! even if only to quash rumors, gossip, innuendo, and flat-out LIES. the public wants and needs your input~~
and may Godspeed and guide your work~~

(02-15-2011, 10:50 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-13-2011, 10:29 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-13-2011, 10:07 PM)netsleuth Wrote: [quote='Adub' pid='127745' dateline='1297648824']
If this is some sort of pay-back, could it be related to DC?

Was JC known to befriend the shooters of DC?

(02-15-2011, 09:48 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: JVM tried to mention JC's rap sheet and Maytee wouldn't talk about it, which is understandable, but I think her motives weren't as pure as they should have been, I too like others, think that she didn't want her own dirty laundry aired. Unfortunately, with her rap sheet and all the drugs one has to wonder if she may have mentioned to someone that these kids were alone there, someone that may have known that JC was (allegedly) dealing?? Did she? Who knows but she was awful fast at trying to put the blame at LS's feet, which I thought was just plain disgusting.

(02-15-2011, 12:53 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 09:26 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Good morning everyone nice to be back

For anyone who want to see LE's record of arrests for Maytee and JC's in a much easier to read format, and it has all the evidence that was collected.

http://www.thewaronwomen.org/crime/594264-murdered-couple-lisa-straub-and-johnny-clarke-who-knew/

I found TW's record interesting as well. I think the people at WOW should post that as well. It seems they're blaming the Mother of a murder victim, indirectly. Blaming Mother's is part of the War on Women, is it not?

(02-15-2011, 10:01 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: I'm sure LE doesn't want to show any of their cards, but I just wish they would say something to make the preps sweat!!

(02-15-2011, 01:00 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Hmm, I didn't see TW's record? Meaning a rap sheet, I haven't found one, have you?

(02-15-2011, 12:58 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: What I get from that video is the term 'BRO" is put in context for me. If JC is quoted as overheard saying "Bro" to the perps (as reported by"T") it shows me he recognized them as street guys he would see out and about. The tone expressed by JC shows it was someone he did not expect to be at LS house that night.

(02-15-2011, 12:13 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: So maybe there was some type of video surveillance, and the perps got the manual out and checked how the system was set up and where the DVD recorder was?? I know that doesn't mean it was on, but maybe the perps didn't know that? And it was black duct tape, I don't know about anyone else but at my house we have a lot of duct tape laying around the basement and the garage but not black (old silver type), is black relatively new?