(02-17-2011, 08:48 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 08:42 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 05:21 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: Kind of a random thought, but if TW's story about her continually calling JC and not getting through to him is true, I'm thinking that the killers smashed the phones because they were tired of hearing them ring? Might explain a little why there were cell phone parts all over the place. For some reason this is the first that even crossed my mind.

But I also think the killers specifically placed JC cell on his body as a statement about what brought this murder to bare on JC and LS

If this is true who's broken cell phone was on the ground, scattered in piece if they both had there cells on them?

(02-17-2011, 09:56 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Is anyone besides me squeaked by the photos of M and J here?
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?tab=3#!/photo.php?fbid=194626147232484&set=a.194626143899151.54121.190897417605357&theater

(02-17-2011, 09:56 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Is anyone besides me squeaked by the photos of M and J here?
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?tab=3#!/photo.php?fbid=194626147232484&set=a.194626143899151.54121.190897417605357&theater

(02-17-2011, 10:20 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:56 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Is anyone besides me squeaked by the photos of M and J here?
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?tab=3#!/photo.php?fbid=194626147232484&set=a.194626143899151.54121.190897417605357&theater

Not really but look at this

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=52307&id=190897417605357#!/photo.php?fbid=194630330565399&set=a.190900100938422.52307.190897417605357&theater

Does that tattoo say Maytee?

(02-17-2011, 10:20 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:56 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Is anyone besides me squeaked by the photos of M and J here?
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?tab=3#!/photo.php?fbid=194626147232484&set=a.194626143899151.54121.190897417605357&theater

Not really but look at this

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=52307&id=190897417605357#!/photo.php?fbid=194630330565399&set=a.190900100938422.52307.190897417605357&theater

Does that tattoo say Maytee?

(02-17-2011, 10:13 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:52 PM)jash Wrote:

Quote:I have spoke with M manys times and she NEVER said the cell phone was laying on his chest! Is this a positive statemant? Just curious! First Ive heard of this!

It is in one of the television or written records. Maybe the uncle's quote from
the most recent article

TotallyCurious....can you post a link to this tv or written article because the only person I heard say this was MAYTEE (unidentified female on 911 transcript) and if that is the ONLY place its said, we can't really use that as fact in any theory we have.

Quote:Newly released search warrants indicate the home was ransacked. Several items, including DVDs and cell phone parts, were found strewn about the home. Investigators also found several items inside the kitchen area, including pieces of white baggies, a Ziploc bag, a digital scale and two knives.

Quote:Clarke's father found the couple's bodies inside Straub's parents' Holland home, which is about 15 miles southwest of Toledo. The couple lived with Straub's parents, who were out of town on a Caribbean cruise for their 25^th wedding anniversary, police said.

The search warrant also indicates authorities found a key, stamped with the numbers 5-4-4, under the body of Lisa Straub. Black and pink pants were found under her neck. Investigators also gathered DNA swabs from inside the home, according to the warrant.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/07/slaying-of-ohio-couple-may-have-been-robbery-gone-bad/

Now, if LE are telling us that cell phone parts are strewn about, key is UNDER lisa's body, pink pants under her neck, etc...they would certainly say that cell phones were found on their chests!

I do not think the cell phone on the bodies is true, its just another red herring thrown out there to muddy the waters...

I will eat crow by the ton if there is an article saying that Lisa's uncle confirmed this..but i cannot find it..

It WAS Maytee who said phones on the bodies and I chalk it up to her (understandable) hysteria.

(02-17-2011, 10:23 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:20 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:56 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Is anyone besides me squeaked by the photos of M and J here?
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?tab=3#!/photo.php?fbid=194626147232484&set=a.194626143899151.54121.190897417605357&theater

Not really but look at this

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=52307&id=190897417605357#!/photo.php?fbid=194630330565399&set=a.190900100938422.52307.190897417605357&theater

Does that tattoo say Maytee?

it certainly looks like it, I don't know

(02-17-2011, 09:02 PM)netsleuth Wrote: Question on time of death. How can the time of death be between 1-4 am when the police arrived at about 1? Unless I remember the TOD incorrectly? Which ... is entirely possible. Anyone know?

(02-17-2011, 10:16 PM)AriGold Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:51 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: I think that Maytee was jealous of LS, personally. She had her "babiboi's" affection and attention. Even in the 911 calls it's like LS is an after thought. I don't think she would have given a second thought to having the Straub's house robbed, but I don't think she wanted her son dead. I think she has some serious mental issues and then mixed with the drugs, I don't think she has much rational thought. It just seems to me that everyone close to this murder knows more than they're saying and I'm not sure they're going to talk.

Totally plausible.

(02-17-2011, 10:23 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:13 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:52 PM)jash Wrote:

Quote:I have spoke with M manys times and she NEVER said the cell phone was laying on his chest! Is this a positive statemant? Just curious! First Ive heard of this!

It is in one of the television or written records. Maybe the uncle's quote from
the most recent article

TotallyCurious....can you post a link to this tv or written article because the only person I heard say this was MAYTEE (unidentified female on 911 transcript) and if that is the ONLY place its said, we can't really use that as fact in any theory we have.

Quote:Newly released search warrants indicate the home was ransacked. Several items, including DVDs and cell phone parts, were found strewn about the home. Investigators also found several items inside the kitchen area, including pieces of white baggies, a Ziploc bag, a digital scale and two knives.

Quote:Clarke's father found the couple's bodies inside Straub's parents' Holland home, which is about 15 miles southwest of Toledo. The couple lived with Straub's parents, who were out of town on a Caribbean cruise for their 25^th wedding anniversary, police said.

The search warrant also indicates authorities found a key, stamped with the numbers 5-4-4, under the body of Lisa Straub. Black and pink pants were found under her neck. Investigators also gathered DNA swabs from inside the home, according to the warrant.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/07/slaying-of-ohio-couple-may-have-been-robbery-gone-bad/

Now, if LE are telling us that cell phone parts are strewn about, key is UNDER lisa's body, pink pants under her neck, etc...they would certainly say that cell phones were found on their chests!

I do not think the cell phone on the bodies is true, its just another red herring thrown out there to muddy the waters...

I will eat crow by the ton if there is an article saying that Lisa's uncle confirmed this..but i cannot find it..

It WAS Maytee who said phones on the bodies and I chalk it up to her (understandable) hysteria.

I think you are correct and now I can not even find where Maytee said it.
I am sorry.

(02-17-2011, 10:18 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:56 PM)jash Wrote:

Quote:The bodies were discovered at 3:50 AM

That goes to show you how great our coroners are here in Lucas County to say they died between 1-4 AM....they could have died 10 minutes after they were found dead! Idiots. I know, I know, it's a timeframe..but still...IDIOTS.

I'm back briefly after finding this info too Jash.

I have to say, this TOD thing concerns me. Couldn't getting the time of death wrong, F up an entire investigation? Especially in this case. It seems the hours between 11-1 are crucial, depending. If the 1-4 time frame is accurate, TW couldn't be involved. If it's not, we're back to square one.

(02-17-2011, 10:24 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:02 PM)netsleuth Wrote: Question on time of death. How can the time of death be between 1-4 am when the police arrived at about 1? Unless I remember the TOD incorrectly? Which ... is entirely possible. Anyone know?

LE has not stated time of death but I think they say between 11p and 4a....which is when his dad found him

(02-17-2011, 10:06 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:28 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:24 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:02 PM)netsleuth Wrote: Question on time of death. How can the time of death be between 1-4 am when the police arrived at about 1? Unless I remember the TOD incorrectly? Which ... is entirely possible. Anyone know?

LE has not stated time of death but I think they say between 11p and 4a....which is when his dad found him

i believe coroner said 1-4.

(02-17-2011, 10:28 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:06 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

those are good pictures :(

(02-17-2011, 10:24 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:02 PM)netsleuth Wrote: Question on time of death. How can the time of death be between 1-4 am when the police arrived at about 1? Unless I remember the TOD incorrectly? Which ... is entirely possible. Anyone know?

LE has not stated time of death but I think they say between 11p and 4a....which is when his dad found him

Quote:"Straub and Clarke both died of asphyxiation and are thought to have been killed some time between 1:00 a.m. and 4:00 a.m."

(02-17-2011, 10:26 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:23 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:13 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:52 PM)jash Wrote:

Quote:I have spoke with M manys times and she NEVER said the cell phone was laying on his chest! Is this a positive statemant? Just curious! First Ive heard of this!

It is in one of the television or written records. Maybe the uncle's quote from
the most recent article

TotallyCurious....can you post a link to this tv or written article because the only person I heard say this was MAYTEE (unidentified female on 911 transcript) and if that is the ONLY place its said, we can't really use that as fact in any theory we have.

Quote:Newly released search warrants indicate the home was ransacked. Several items, including DVDs and cell phone parts, were found strewn about the home. Investigators also found several items inside the kitchen area, including pieces of white baggies, a Ziploc bag, a digital scale and two knives.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/07/slaying-of-ohio-couple-may-have-been-robbery-gone-bad/

Now, if LE are telling us that cell phone parts are strewn about, key is UNDER lisa's body, pink pants under her neck, etc...they would certainly say that cell phones were found on their chests!

I do not think the cell phone on the bodies is true, its just another red herring thrown out there to muddy the waters...

I will eat crow by the ton if there is an article saying that Lisa's uncle confirmed this..but i cannot find it..

It WAS Maytee who said phones on the bodies and I chalk it up to her (understandable) hysteria.

I think you are correct and now I can not even find where Maytee said it.
I am sorry.

I think Jash posted the part of the 911 call (transcript) where an "unidentified woman/person" states it.

(02-17-2011, 10:28 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i believe coroner said 1-4.

(02-17-2011, 09:09 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 08:42 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 05:21 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: Kind of a random thought, but if TW's story about her continually calling JC and not getting through to him is true, I'm thinking that the killers smashed the phones because they were tired of hearing them ring? Might explain a little why there were cell phone parts all over the place. For some reason this is the first that even crossed my mind.

But I also think the killers specifically placed JC cell on his body as a statement about what brought this murder to bare on JC and LS

I have spoke with M manys times and she NEVER said the cell phone was laying on his chest! Is this a positive statemant? Just curious! First Ive heard of this!

(02-17-2011, 10:06 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: