(02-19-2011, 11:50 AM)truth be told Wrote: Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

(02-19-2011, 11:30 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:00 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:11 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:50 PM)LoserCity Wrote: ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

(02-19-2011, 11:50 AM)truth be told Wrote: Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

(02-19-2011, 11:00 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:11 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:50 PM)LoserCity Wrote: ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

(02-19-2011, 12:09 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:30 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:00 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:11 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:50 PM)LoserCity Wrote: ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

(02-19-2011, 12:11 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:50 PM)LoserCity Wrote: ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

(02-19-2011, 12:25 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:09 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:30 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:00 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:11 AM)Adub Wrote: Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

(02-19-2011, 12:12 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:50 AM)truth be told Wrote: Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

I disagree and here why, JMO>
1. They are not smarter, they were much more emotionally invested as to where their son and his gf were, when they were told he was suppose to pick some up, never showed up and hasn't been answering his or LS phones for at least 2hrs and that he was arguing/yelling with/at someone. (and who knows what else TW actually said to them). The phones are dead and the cops were there at least twice and did nothing, oh yeah, I would be ready to kick that door in myself!

2. Maytee may have been so worked up that her cousin offered to drive her. She was having panic attacks, that's why they sent medics.

3. We don't know how many times Maytee has been to LS house while they were going out together and JC moved there, he was living there, so who knows how many times she may have picked him up there? She also may have sent Xmass cards, birthday card for LS, who knows. I don't find that odd at all.

I don't believe Maytee was involved with anything to do with JC and LS deaths, nada, nothing. Do I think she is a bit fruit looped, yep.

(02-19-2011, 12:30 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:25 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:09 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:30 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:00 AM)kfran Wrote: I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

TW met them through the minor, ZB, who allegedly was into percocets heavily. JC was friends with the minor. I believe TW said that was how she met them, she met JC first and then met LS through, ZB and JC, at ZB's house.

(02-19-2011, 12:33 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:12 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:50 AM)truth be told Wrote: Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

I disagree and here why, JMO>
1. They are not smarter, they were much more emotionally invested as to where their son and his gf were, when they were told he was suppose to pick some up, never showed up and hasn't been answering his or LS phones for at least 2hrs and that he was arguing/yelling with/at someone. (and who knows what else TW actually said to them). The phones are dead and the cops were there at least twice and did nothing, oh yeah, I would be ready to kick that door in myself!

2. Maytee may have been so worked up that her cousin offered to drive her. She was having panic attacks, that's why they sent medics.

3. We don't know how many times Maytee has been to LS house while they were going out together and JC moved there, he was living there, so who knows how many times she may have picked him up there? She also may have sent Xmass cards, birthday card for LS, who knows. I don't find that odd at all.

I don't believe Maytee was involved with anything to do with JC and LS deaths, nada, nothing. Do I think she is a bit fruit looped, yep.

I agree with everything you've said here, Kat. As a parent myself, I'm sick thinking about the agony his parents suffered that night during the escalating panic when they couldn't reach their son and the eventual horror of discovering his dead body. Could this have been set up deliberately as a message to them? In fact, Tiff delivered the father to the house. She may not have predicted that the mother would first ask LE to do a welfare check. I'm pretty certain that either one of his parents would willingly have taken his place if it meant their son would be spared, and I can't think of a stronger way to send such a message if that was the intention.

It was also mentioned that an original condition of Johnny's parole was that he live with his mother, so she probably received mail for him that had to be re-addressed, in which case she'd know his new address by heart. I have a friend who died many years ago and I still remember her address from when I used to write to her.

(02-19-2011, 12:25 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:09 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:30 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:00 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:11 AM)Adub Wrote: Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

(02-19-2011, 12:39 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:33 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:12 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:50 AM)truth be told Wrote: Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

I disagree and here why, JMO>
1. They are not smarter, they were much more emotionally invested as to where their son and his gf were, when they were told he was suppose to pick some up, never showed up and hasn't been answering his or LS phones for at least 2hrs and that he was arguing/yelling with/at someone. (and who knows what else TW actually said to them). The phones are dead and the cops were there at least twice and did nothing, oh yeah, I would be ready to kick that door in myself!

2. Maytee may have been so worked up that her cousin offered to drive her. She was having panic attacks, that's why they sent medics.

3. We don't know how many times Maytee has been to LS house while they were going out together and JC moved there, he was living there, so who knows how many times she may have picked him up there? She also may have sent Xmass cards, birthday card for LS, who knows. I don't find that odd at all.

I don't believe Maytee was involved with anything to do with JC and LS deaths, nada, nothing. Do I think she is a bit fruit looped, yep.

I agree with everything you've said here, Kat. As a parent myself, I'm sick thinking about the agony his parents suffered that night during the escalating panic when they couldn't reach their son and the eventual horror of discovering his dead body. Could this have been set up deliberately as a message to them? In fact, Tiff delivered the father to the house. She may not have predicted that the mother would first ask LE to do a welfare check. I'm pretty certain that either one of his parents would willingly have taken his place if it meant their son would be spared, and I can't think of a stronger way to send such a message if that was the intention.

It was also mentioned that an original condition of Johnny's parole was that he live with his mother, so she probably received mail for him that had to be re-addressed, in which case she'd know his new address by heart. I have a friend who died many years ago and I still remember her address from when I used to write to her.

Escalating panic, that's a good way to describe it, and then not only do you discover they have been murdered but look at how, OMG, that would haunt me until the day I died if I were Maytee or MaryBeth who still lives in the house!!

As far as a message to the JC's parents, anything is possible. I just think TW for sure has more info on what went down that night!

(02-19-2011, 01:05 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:33 AM)NightOwl Wrote: Spotted this on Facebook one of Lisa's friends and also a friend of BD wonder what the "sum" is?

"iam tired of answerinn my phonee and herin bad newss.. godd what did she doo..the last words she said to me wass thankss be safee and ill call you tonight if me and johhny do sum..i saidd ok both yal be saafee. have a good nightt.. r.i.p lisaa like my liil sis"
January 31 at 12:44pm via Mobile Web.

"my word of advice for yall ...chill out"

February 1 at 12:01pm via Mobile Web.

Link?

(02-19-2011, 09:13 AM)Snoopy Wrote: Your point makes sense- If the alarm was set, then they could of only have entered when the victims did- without triggering the alarm. If the key in fact, was to the alarm system- this would explain why it was found on the floor, perhaps after a struggle, as the uncle indicated there had been one.
I wonder if alarm systems, log anything for each time an alarm is set, so that there may be a record of this (?)

As far as "what" they wanted to steal- I have no guess on this. So many rumors about drug use, which creates a possibility, but nothing verified that there were drugs- and yet, the family lived in a nice home with nice things- which could of been incentive, and yet, they were not touched- so it is hard to tell- and with walls kicked in, the Uncle believes they thought there was a safe... so many possibilities on "what" they could want to steal- or thought they might find...

(02-19-2011, 12:43 PM)sharit Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:39 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:33 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:12 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:50 AM)truth be told Wrote: Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

I disagree and here why, JMO>
1. They are not smarter, they were much more emotionally invested as to where their son and his gf were, when they were told he was suppose to pick some up, never showed up and hasn't been answering his or LS phones for at least 2hrs and that he was arguing/yelling with/at someone. (and who knows what else TW actually said to them). The phones are dead and the cops were there at least twice and did nothing, oh yeah, I would be ready to kick that door in myself!

2. Maytee may have been so worked up that her cousin offered to drive her. She was having panic attacks, that's why they sent medics.

3. We don't know how many times Maytee has been to LS house while they were going out together and JC moved there, he was living there, so who knows how many times she may have picked him up there? She also may have sent Xmass cards, birthday card for LS, who knows. I don't find that odd at all.

I don't believe Maytee was involved with anything to do with JC and LS deaths, nada, nothing. Do I think she is a bit fruit looped, yep.

I agree with everything you've said here, Kat. As a parent myself, I'm sick thinking about the agony his parents suffered that night during the escalating panic when they couldn't reach their son and the eventual horror of discovering his dead body. Could this have been set up deliberately as a message to them? In fact, Tiff delivered the father to the house. She may not have predicted that the mother would first ask LE to do a welfare check. I'm pretty certain that either one of his parents would willingly have taken his place if it meant their son would be spared, and I can't think of a stronger way to send such a message if that was the intention.

It was also mentioned that an original condition of Johnny's parole was that he live with his mother, so she probably received mail for him that had to be re-addressed, in which case she'd know his new address by heart. I have a friend who died many years ago and I still remember her address from when I used to write to her.

Escalating panic, that's a good way to describe it, and then not only do you discover they have been murdered but look at how, OMG, that would haunt me until the day I died if I were Maytee or MaryBeth who still lives in the house!!

As far as a message to the JC's parents, anything is possible. I just think TW for sure has more info on what went down that night!

so do i

(02-19-2011, 12:30 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:25 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:09 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:30 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:00 AM)kfran Wrote: I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

TW met them through the minor, ZB, who allegedly was into percocets heavily. JC was friends with the minor. I believe TW said that was how she met them, she met JC first and then met LS through, ZB and JC, at ZB's house.

(02-19-2011, 12:53 PM)sharit Wrote: i own a cleaning service and most all place that i clean have alarms. i have never seen 1 which uses a key, never. yes they do have logs and if wire were cut the security service would know this and send LE.once you enter building you have 45 seconds to disarm, or le will be on there way.

(02-19-2011, 12:43 PM)sharit Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:39 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:33 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:12 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:50 AM)truth be told Wrote: Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

I disagree and here why, JMO>
1. They are not smarter, they were much more emotionally invested as to where their son and his gf were, when they were told he was suppose to pick some up, never showed up and hasn't been answering his or LS phones for at least 2hrs and that he was arguing/yelling with/at someone. (and who knows what else TW actually said to them). The phones are dead and the cops were there at least twice and did nothing, oh yeah, I would be ready to kick that door in myself!

2. Maytee may have been so worked up that her cousin offered to drive her. She was having panic attacks, that's why they sent medics.

3. We don't know how many times Maytee has been to LS house while they were going out together and JC moved there, he was living there, so who knows how many times she may have picked him up there? She also may have sent Xmass cards, birthday card for LS, who knows. I don't find that odd at all.

I don't believe Maytee was involved with anything to do with JC and LS deaths, nada, nothing. Do I think she is a bit fruit looped, yep.

I agree with everything you've said here, Kat. As a parent myself, I'm sick thinking about the agony his parents suffered that night during the escalating panic when they couldn't reach their son and the eventual horror of discovering his dead body. Could this have been set up deliberately as a message to them? In fact, Tiff delivered the father to the house. She may not have predicted that the mother would first ask LE to do a welfare check. I'm pretty certain that either one of his parents would willingly have taken his place if it meant their son would be spared, and I can't think of a stronger way to send such a message if that was the intention.

It was also mentioned that an original condition of Johnny's parole was that he live with his mother, so she probably received mail for him that had to be re-addressed, in which case she'd know his new address by heart. I have a friend who died many years ago and I still remember her address from when I used to write to her.

Escalating panic, that's a good way to describe it, and then not only do you discover they have been murdered but look at how, OMG, that would haunt me until the day I died if I were Maytee or MaryBeth who still lives in the house!!

As far as a message to the JC's parents, anything is possible. I just think TW for sure has more info on what went down that night!

so do i