(02-19-2011, 04:31 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:24 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:22 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:18 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:16 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: Thanks....I quote here my source for believing "Z" is not a minor..

- shitstorm - 02-17-2011 06:47 PM


(02-17-2011 01:06 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:
(02-17-2011 12:59 PM)Sean69 Wrote: Here's the thing - this is an excellent theory, but if it is true, arrests would have happened by now, and I'm talking about DNA verification as well. WTF?

Because they were there the night before so their DNA could have been there, they are admitting they were there the night before, hanging out.
So their DNA would be there from the night before, and I am sure cops are tying to separate all of it...

And by the way Mr.Z is only a few months short of being an over 21yr. old adult!

Then he is NOT a minor!

Look I live close to them. He is a minor. 16 or 17.

Also Z would have been mentioned if was an adult

IMO with them being at the Straubs the night before they set up a robbery would in a sense " Clear" them from the crime because of their DNA being there. This is what I think they thought. IMo they set it up to be robbed and it went bad. The lapse in time was the "wtf" moment on what to they do now?

(02-19-2011, 04:55 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:46 PM)Countryside_Belle Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:36 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Before posting this I want to be clear on 2 things. One, I asked for guidance from admin about this matter before posting & two, this is RUMOR from a 3^rd party.

My brother has worked at a local restaurant/pub for years & has regular customers. One of his regular costumers is good friends with a Toledo detective. The regular customer came into this establishment Thursday night & was chatting with my brother when this case came up in conversation. He claimed to have recieved insider information from his detective friend. I do trust my brother however I do not personally know this other person who gave my brother this information so again, it's 3^rd party.


This detectives friend claims that Lisa was in fact raped & that her tongue was either cut or cut out. I know there have been rumors swirling about a possible rape & I also know that there has been speculation about where the "pool" of blood on her face/side of head came from. If this is in fact true it would account for the blood. I really hope I do not hurt anyone close to Lisa in relaying what I have heard. I was hesitant to post this because I do not know it to be fact & didn't want to add to anyones pain, however there have been other rumors or 3^rd party information discussed here & I also asked for guidance/permission before hand.

I truly hope that this isn't true :(

Holy fuck, that would be horrible if true. :(
And btw....tongue being cut out says to me "snitch"
Damn. Damn shame. :(
that and maybe to shut her up to stop screaming?

(02-19-2011, 04:42 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Hello everybody. I don't usually post on forums but I've seen a great deal of intelligence and respect here.

I was born and raised in the area that this happened. I went to the same high school as Johnny Clarke. I know people who are loosely connected to the people involved. That is all I'm going to say about that.

First of all, Mr. Z is a minor.

Second of all, the police are not making any immediate arrests for good reason. You may have seen the movie "Double Jeopardy". You cannot try a person for a crime more than once. This means if an arrest is made and a conviction is saught, they have one shot of providing collected evidence to be considered in trial. If they jump too soon, and don't have a solid case with solid evidence, a jury may not feel proof has been 100% made for a conviction and once the person is aquitted, they cannot go back and try the person again.

Don't be mistaken and believe the people on here who say if a case isn't solved quickly then it won't be solve. That is completely false.

I have my opinion of what happened and will post it.

(02-19-2011, 04:48 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:45 PM)stoof725 Wrote: can somebody message me and please tell me who this zb is???? id appreciate it

don't know if you're able to receive PM's, but he's a minor, under the age of 18. He's a person, within this case of characters. He's not a suspect or anything, though, as of now. He's a friend of some of the friends' of Johnny & Lisa. That's about it.

(02-19-2011, 04:55 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:31 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:24 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:22 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:18 PM)concerned Wrote: Look I live close to them. He is a minor. 16 or 17.

Also Z would have been mentioned if was an adult

IMO with them being at the Straubs the night before they set up a robbery would in a sense " Clear" them from the crime because of their DNA being there. This is what I think they thought. IMo they set it up to be robbed and it went bad. The lapse in time was the "wtf" moment on what to they do now?

How do we really know if they were really there the nite before?
anyone know FORE SURE? just saying!

(02-19-2011, 04:58 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:48 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:45 PM)stoof725 Wrote: can somebody message me and please tell me who this zb is???? id appreciate it

don't know if you're able to receive PM's, but he's a minor, under the age of 18. He's a person, within this case of characters. He's not a suspect or anything, though, as of now. He's a friend of some of the friends' of Johnny & Lisa. That's about it.

Im sorry Jane I disagree with you. If Tiffany is a suspect then that would make Z one also. IMO

(02-19-2011, 04:55 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: the thing here is not the rumor, there are HUNDREDS. we don't want to give them cred.

but the leaks...it's a sad fact of life for LE. :(
but always happens.

ATTACH NO WEIGHT TO RUMORS until they are confirmed by reliable sources. or we could get way out of control.
and thanks for asking me first Bait.


also...sorry newbies, you're going to have to do your own reading in the thread so we don't repeat the same stuff 57 times. you have to do your own research.

i have said repeatedly, i have info Z IS a minor. that is that.

i am not even caught up, so sorry if you feel ignored. it's hell when i'm away for a while!

a few little things,

see here for pics info etc,:

http://mockforums.net/thread-4825.html

take tech questions to HQ area please.

you do have PMs Zero. but all of you memebrs have to enable those settings in your profile. i've done some, but it gets tiresome, use your user CP. (control panel)

i make people members as i see they will stay around and contribute.


the warning thing you see in your post profile...EVERYONE HAS ONE NOT JUST YOU. even though you can't see others'. only Duchess and i and Mock elders can issue a warning. that's why you don't see others'.

if i missed any questions, sorry.
as i said, i am not caught up.

you CAN use names of everyone involved in case except minors. the initials are making me batshit.
involved does not mean someones best friend's girlfriend's uncle's mailman however! peripheral characters not named in media or by police.

(02-19-2011, 04:55 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:46 PM)Countryside_Belle Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:36 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Before posting this I want to be clear on 2 things. One, I asked for guidance from admin about this matter before posting & two, this is RUMOR from a 3^rd party.

My brother has worked at a local restaurant/pub for years & has regular customers. One of his regular costumers is good friends with a Toledo detective. The regular customer came into this establishment Thursday night & was chatting with my brother when this case came up in conversation. He claimed to have recieved insider information from his detective friend. I do trust my brother however I do not personally know this other person who gave my brother this information so again, it's 3^rd party.


This detectives friend claims that Lisa was in fact raped & that her tongue was either cut or cut out. I know there have been rumors swirling about a possible rape & I also know that there has been speculation about where the "pool" of blood on her face/side of head came from. If this is in fact true it would account for the blood. I really hope I do not hurt anyone close to Lisa in relaying what I have heard. I was hesitant to post this because I do not know it to be fact & didn't want to add to anyones pain, however there have been other rumors or 3^rd party information discussed here & I also asked for guidance/permission before hand.

I truly hope that this isn't true :(

Holy fuck, that would be horrible if true. :(
And btw....tongue being cut out says to me "snitch"
Damn. Damn shame. :(
that and maybe to shut her up to stop screaming?

(02-19-2011, 04:55 PM)heyyou Wrote: this is just a rumor 2 i do kno alot of people who know jc personally and i heard that key that says 544 is for i guess a storage unit that held a large quanity of marijuana and alot of people wanted it i just heard this so i thought i would put it out there but this is just a rumor that i heard

(02-19-2011, 04:57 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:42 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Hello everybody. I don't usually post on forums but I've seen a great deal of intelligence and respect here.

I was born and raised in the area that this happened. I went to the same high school as Johnny Clarke. I know people who are loosely connected to the people involved. That is all I'm going to say about that.

First of all, Mr. Z is a minor.

Second of all, the police are not making any immediate arrests for good reason. You may have seen the movie "Double Jeopardy". You cannot try a person for a crime more than once. This means if an arrest is made and a conviction is saught, they have one shot of providing collected evidence to be considered in trial. If they jump too soon, and don't have a solid case with solid evidence, a jury may not feel proof has been 100% made for a conviction and once the person is aquitted, they cannot go back and try the person again.

Don't be mistaken and believe the people on here who say if a case isn't solved quickly then it won't be solve. That is completely false.

I have my opinion of what happened and will post it.

welcome! Am looking forward to your opinions/thoughts.

(02-19-2011, 04:55 PM)heyyou Wrote: this is just a rumor 2 i do kno alot of people who know jc personally and i heard that key that says 544 is for i guess a storage unit that held a large quanity of marijuana and alot of people wanted it i just heard this so i thought i would put it out there but this is just a rumor that i heard

(02-19-2011, 04:59 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: All this time I was under the impression that Lisa was an innocent
bystander. None of this makes sense anymore if she was in fact
molested, unless it was done to stress Johnny and get him to talk.
Any ideas? I hope they get the bastards and the bastards behind the
bastards.

(02-19-2011, 04:59 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:58 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:48 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:45 PM)stoof725 Wrote: can somebody message me and please tell me who this zb is???? id appreciate it

don't know if you're able to receive PM's, but he's a minor, under the age of 18. He's a person, within this case of characters. He's not a suspect or anything, though, as of now. He's a friend of some of the friends' of Johnny & Lisa. That's about it.

Im sorry Jane I disagree with you. If Tiffany is a suspect then that would make Z one also. IMO

But Tiffany has not been named a suspect.

(02-19-2011, 05:01 PM)Countryside_Belle Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:59 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: All this time I was under the impression that Lisa was an innocent
bystander. None of this makes sense anymore if she was in fact
molested, unless it was done to stress Johnny and get him to talk.
Any ideas? I hope they get the bastards and the bastards behind the
bastards.

I believe if these rumors are true, you are onto something with your comment about "getting to" Johnny by hurting Lisa..

(02-19-2011, 03:47 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Memorial for Tiffany's dead boyfriend Donald (the guy with the gun and money in his mouth in the last picture) and I believe that is Tiffany is the center with her back to the camera, on her pant's pockets it says "Donalds Widow) Click on picture to enlarge: