(02-20-2011, 11:23 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: Holland is the actual city, as in the mailing address. Springfield is the township. Lisa's address would feed into Springfield High School. Much better area/school than Johnny's. Johnny is from Toledo, which is much more urban and full of crime than Holland, although the two cities are just minutes from each other.

The FBI's involvement DOES NOT indicate that this was a professional hit. This WAS NOT a professional hit.

Also, don't think that because an arrest wasn't made within the "first 48", that police are stuck. I have no doubt that an

(02-20-2011, 02:21 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 07:43 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 07:34 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote: I have gone through many of the "friends" trying to figure out the gangs. I see several people posted that Donald and Aaron were Bloods. However, most of the language and info that I have seen by many of the other friends indicates that they were Crips.

Also, I found a picture on "Toledo Hoodz" FB page that appears to be Aaron, Ronald, Tiffany, and 2 others with the tag “1200WALBRIDGE DUBBLOCC.” Check it out and tell me what you think!!

Dom DeLuca: "Loc`d Out Crip 300 Western BkLOCC"
Mike Jaso (aka Ikey Trill Loc): "SOUTH END 300 WESTERN BLOCC LOCZ BITCH"
Mike Jaso: "Cruzin t da hood w my goon ap getin dis money smokein dis loud" ---Notice he mentions AP (Aaron)!
Jesse Vargas: Do ppl forget what happends to snitches..? it aint just stitches anymore!! January 30 at 4:22pm --same day as murder!!

In Vic Dominguez FB, I found a picture of a group of people with "Nuestra Familia" written across the picture. Unfortunately, this pic was small and became blurry when I enlarged it to try and make out some of the faces. So, does this indicate that Vic is part of the Nuestra Familia? If so, how do all these people from different gangs hang out together? This is what Vic posted on Johnny's online memorial:

February 08, 2011
JOHNNY ITS CRAZY THAT NIGHT OF WATCHIN THE PRO BOWL U TOLD ME VIC CALM DOWN LIFES TOO SHORT N TOMMOROW IS NEVER PROMISED TO ANYONE. I LUV U FOR THAT CUZ U WERE MY ONLY FRIEND THAT ALWAYS LOOKED OUT 4 ME N WANTED THE BEST 4 ME. IM GLAD U WAS MY NEIGHBOR N I GOT TO SPEND MY CHILDHOOD WIT U. N IM GLAD WE HUNG OUT LIKE WE DID THE LAST 2 WEEKS I HAD WIT U. I LUV U JOHNNY N GOD B WIT U N UR FAMILY. CLARKE FAMILY IM SO SORRY N ASK GOD TO GET U THROUGH THIS. I GUNNA MISS U CUBANO. U WAS LIKE A BROTHER. U WILL NEVER B FORGOTTEN JOHNNY BOY.

So, they grew up together in the same neighborhood and had just been hanging out together again for the 2 weeks before he was murdered. Hhmmm....

According to Bre (Vic's girlfriend) and Vic, they were with Johnny before he left to pick up Lisa from work.

"I`m Glad I Spent Part Of My Christmas W. The Two Of You. & Lisa , I`m Glad We Had That Talk The Weekend Before You Passed. & Johnny , I`m Glad I Got To See You Just A Few Hours Before You Passed. I`m SOO Sorry You Guys Had To Go Through That. Your Both Forever In Our Hearts. Love You Johnny. "Live Everyday Like It`s Your Last , Because Tomorrow Isn`t Promised" Rest In Peace Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub ♥ (Bre Aiken RipJohnny)"

Does anyone else notice "I`m SOO Sorry You Guys Had To Go Through That" as being a strange thing to say?!?!?! If one of my friends were brutally murdered, I wouldn't think, I'm sorry that they HAD to go THROUGH that, it would be more like I can't believe this happened to them! Thoughts????

"When I spoke to his friends, the house he was at before he went to pick up Lisa from work where he had been playing his X-box Live, he told them, "I`m going to pick Lisa up from work. We`re going back to the house. We have people coming over. We`re going to shoot some pool." – Maytee on Jane Valez Mitchell

So, these are just a few of the notes that I have collected....

I'm from the same area in Toledo that Johnny and his friends are from. These kids change gangs like you change your underwear. This isn't Compton, it's a fake wanna be Detroit. Girls change depending on who they are dating, etc. Toledo is full of wanna be gang bangers and wanna be big time drug dealers. I'm not too surprised if they are claiming one set on one page and another the next week.

I'm wondering how you know all of this. You're too articulate to have been in a gang. What makes you think these people are wannabees? I lived in Long Beach & Los Angeles, rescued dogs in Compton and south central, and they look just like the dirtbags out there. Someone associated with this crowd just murdered Johnny & Lisa in a horrific and sadistic manner. That's doesn't sound like wannabees to me.

(02-20-2011, 12:06 AM)Methusala Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 09:10 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 08:08 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I suppose this case could be gang related but it is important to know that Toledo gangs are not the serious "ride or die" gangs like they have in LA or Compton. Mostly just little white kids trying to be "gangsta".

Toledo is a dirty little hell hole. At least the location I grew up there. I grew up on the south side and attended the same high school that Johnny attended. If you ever get the chance to visit Toledo, quickly punch the person in the face who gave you the opportunity, and RUN!

You lived in and went to Bowsher district? I'm curious what area of that you found a hell hole. Just curious. I'm glad for you if you are happy where you are now.

It's all a matter of perspective and memory. Remember what Gloria Steinem wrote about Toledo. Many people including myself disagreed with her, but that's the way she saw it even back then.

(02-19-2011, 09:27 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Ok. This is Off Topic. But I am hoping you won't throw me out for
posting it. After listening to the 911 calls multiple times and reading
the not so numerous news articles and listening to the not fulfilling
television reports, the address that is used for the Straub's home is
Maumee, Ohio, or Sylvania. Now, Maytee on the frantic 911 call says,
"Holland." Well the only place I can find the listing for the address
as Holland is on the property assessment records and sales. Why
would Maytee know that? vizzo.com I think it was.

(02-20-2011, 11:44 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:06 AM)Methusala Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 09:10 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 08:08 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I suppose this case could be gang related but it is important to know that Toledo gangs are not the serious "ride or die" gangs like they have in LA or Compton. Mostly just little white kids trying to be "gangsta".

Toledo is a dirty little hell hole. At least the location I grew up there. I grew up on the south side and attended the same high school that Johnny attended. If you ever get the chance to visit Toledo, quickly punch the person in the face who gave you the opportunity, and RUN!

You lived in and went to Bowsher district? I'm curious what area of that you found a hell hole. Just curious. I'm glad for you if you are happy where you are now.

It's all a matter of perspective and memory. Remember what Gloria Steinem wrote about Toledo. Many people including myself disagreed with her, but that's the way she saw it even back then.

I'm trying to give you all a perspective from someone who was born and raised in the same area as Johnny, as I believe this crime was a result of his aquaintances, not Lisa's (of course it could've been somone that they both know, but was mainly his friend).

People in Toledo have a certain mindset for survivial. I'm trying to provide some knowledge and insight as someone in that mindset.

(02-20-2011, 11:44 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:06 AM)Methusala Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 09:10 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 08:08 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I suppose this case could be gang related but it is important to know that Toledo gangs are not the serious "ride or die" gangs like they have in LA or Compton. Mostly just little white kids trying to be "gangsta".

Toledo is a dirty little hell hole. At least the location I grew up there. I grew up on the south side and attended the same high school that Johnny attended. If you ever get the chance to visit Toledo, quickly punch the person in the face who gave you the opportunity, and RUN!

You lived in and went to Bowsher district? I'm curious what area of that you found a hell hole. Just curious. I'm glad for you if you are happy where you are now.

It's all a matter of perspective and memory. Remember what Gloria Steinem wrote about Toledo. Many people including myself disagreed with her, but that's the way she saw it even back then.

I'm trying to give you all a perspective from someone who was born and raised in the same area as Johnny, as I believe this crime was a result of his aquaintances, not Lisa's (of course it could've been somone that they both know, but was mainly his friend).

People in Toledo have a certain mindset for survivial. I'm trying to provide some knowledge and insight as someone in that mindset.

(02-20-2011, 09:51 AM)pspence Wrote: who are you asking this question to?

(02-20-2011, 12:10 PM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 11:44 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:06 AM)Methusala Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 09:10 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 08:08 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I suppose this case could be gang related but it is important to know that Toledo gangs are not the serious "ride or die" gangs like they have in LA or Compton. Mostly just little white kids trying to be "gangsta".

Toledo is a dirty little hell hole. At least the location I grew up there. I grew up on the south side and attended the same high school that Johnny attended. If you ever get the chance to visit Toledo, quickly punch the person in the face who gave you the opportunity, and RUN!

You lived in and went to Bowsher district? I'm curious what area of that you found a hell hole. Just curious. I'm glad for you if you are happy where you are now.

It's all a matter of perspective and memory. Remember what Gloria Steinem wrote about Toledo. Many people including myself disagreed with her, but that's the way she saw it even back then.

I'm trying to give you all a perspective from someone who was born and raised in the same area as Johnny, as I believe this crime was a result of his aquaintances, not Lisa's (of course it could've been somone that they both know, but was mainly his friend).

People in Toledo have a certain mindset for survivial. I'm trying to provide some knowledge and insight as someone in that mindset.

I'll back up ToledoNatives sentiments. I didn't grow up in Toledo but right outside in the suburbs and we didn't go to Toledo unless it was to get drugs or alcohol underage. What's sad is that the South End is one of the better parts of Toledo. Bowsher was considered one of the best high schools (within toledo) from my memory. I can honestly say I would NEVER send my kids to school in Toledo. The education is lacking and the only thing they learn, is how to be a thug. Not to say there weren't thugs living in the suburbs too, but it really is night and day between the two. You really can't understand unless you've lived in the area. It's sad.

(02-20-2011, 12:10 PM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 11:44 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:06 AM)Methusala Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 09:10 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 08:08 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I suppose this case could be gang related but it is important to know that Toledo gangs are not the serious "ride or die" gangs like they have in LA or Compton. Mostly just little white kids trying to be "gangsta".

Toledo is a dirty little hell hole. At least the location I grew up there. I grew up on the south side and attended the same high school that Johnny attended. If you ever get the chance to visit Toledo, quickly punch the person in the face who gave you the opportunity, and RUN!

You lived in and went to Bowsher district? I'm curious what area of that you found a hell hole. Just curious. I'm glad for you if you are happy where you are now.

It's all a matter of perspective and memory. Remember what Gloria Steinem wrote about Toledo. Many people including myself disagreed with her, but that's the way she saw it even back then.

I'm trying to give you all a perspective from someone who was born and raised in the same area as Johnny, as I believe this crime was a result of his aquaintances, not Lisa's (of course it could've been somone that they both know, but was mainly his friend).

People in Toledo have a certain mindset for survivial. I'm trying to provide some knowledge and insight as someone in that mindset.

I'll back up ToledoNatives sentiments. I didn't grow up in Toledo but right outside in the suburbs and we didn't go to Toledo unless it was to get drugs or alcohol underage. What's sad is that the South End is one of the better parts of Toledo. Bowsher was considered one of the best high schools (within toledo) from my memory. I can honestly say I would NEVER send my kids to school in Toledo. The education is lacking and the only thing they learn, is how to be a thug. Not to say there weren't thugs living in the suburbs too, but it really is night and day between the two. You really can't understand unless you've lived in the area. It's sad.

(02-20-2011, 12:21 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:10 PM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 11:44 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:06 AM)Methusala Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 09:10 PM)JustSayin... Wrote: You lived in and went to Bowsher district? I'm curious what area of that you found a hell hole. Just curious. I'm glad for you if you are happy where you are now.

It's all a matter of perspective and memory. Remember what Gloria Steinem wrote about Toledo. Many people including myself disagreed with her, but that's the way she saw it even back then.

I'm trying to give you all a perspective from someone who was born and raised in the same area as Johnny, as I believe this crime was a result of his aquaintances, not Lisa's (of course it could've been somone that they both know, but was mainly his friend).

People in Toledo have a certain mindset for survivial. I'm trying to provide some knowledge and insight as someone in that mindset.

I'll back up ToledoNatives sentiments. I didn't grow up in Toledo but right outside in the suburbs and we didn't go to Toledo unless it was to get drugs or alcohol underage. What's sad is that the South End is one of the better parts of Toledo. Bowsher was considered one of the best high schools (within toledo) from my memory. I can honestly say I would NEVER send my kids to school in Toledo. The education is lacking and the only thing they learn, is how to be a thug. Not to say there weren't thugs living in the suburbs too, but it really is night and day between the two. You really can't understand unless you've lived in the area. It's sad.

LoserCity and PurplePegasus you are dead on correct.

Who told anyone Bowsher was a great school?

While there, I saw a classmate get stabbed, tons of fights, tons of drugs, tons of gangs, a police officer on site at all times, and metal detectors at the doors upon entering. If you set off the walk through metal detector, there was a person waiting to pass the metal detector wand over you. Not my idea of a good school.

But I guess school is what you make of it. Luckily, I made it out of high school alive and with some knowledge.

(02-20-2011, 12:10 PM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 11:44 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:06 AM)Methusala Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 09:10 PM)JustSayin... Wrote: [quote='ToledoNative' pid='131201' dateline='1298160504']
I suppose this case could be gang related but it is important to know that Toledo gangs are not the serious "ride or die" gangs like they have in LA or Compton. Mostly just little white kids trying to be "gangsta".

Toledo is a dirty little hell hole. At least the location I grew up there. I grew up on the south side and attended the same high school that Johnny attended. If you ever get the chance to visit Toledo, quickly punch the person in the face who gave you the opportunity, and RUN!

You lived in and went to Bowsher district? I'm curious what area of that you found a hell hole. Just curious. I'm glad for you if you are happy where you are now.

It's all a matter of perspective and memory. Remember what Gloria Steinem wrote about Toledo. Many people including myself disagreed with her, but that's the way she saw it even back then.

I'm trying to give you all a perspective from someone who was born and raised in the same area as Johnny, as I believe this crime was a result of his aquaintances, not Lisa's (of course it could've been somone that they both know, but was mainly his friend).

People in Toledo have a certain mindset for survivial. I'm trying to provide some knowledge and insight as someone in that mindset.

(02-20-2011, 12:23 PM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:21 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:10 PM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 11:44 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:06 AM)Methusala Wrote: It's all a matter of perspective and memory. Remember what Gloria Steinem wrote about Toledo. Many people including myself disagreed with her, but that's the way she saw it even back then.

I'm trying to give you all a perspective from someone who was born and raised in the same area as Johnny, as I believe this crime was a result of his aquaintances, not Lisa's (of course it could've been somone that they both know, but was mainly his friend).

People in Toledo have a certain mindset for survivial. I'm trying to provide some knowledge and insight as someone in that mindset.

I'll back up ToledoNatives sentiments. I didn't grow up in Toledo but right outside in the suburbs and we didn't go to Toledo unless it was to get drugs or alcohol underage. What's sad is that the South End is one of the better parts of Toledo. Bowsher was considered one of the best high schools (within toledo) from my memory. I can honestly say I would NEVER send my kids to school in Toledo. The education is lacking and the only thing they learn, is how to be a thug. Not to say there weren't thugs living in the suburbs too, but it really is night and day between the two. You really can't understand unless you've lived in the area. It's sad.

LoserCity and PurplePegasus you are dead on correct.

Who told anyone Bowsher was a great school?

While there, I saw a classmate get stabbed, tons of fights, tons of drugs, tons of gangs, a police officer on site at all times, and metal detectors at the doors upon entering. If you set off the walk through metal detector, there was a person waiting to pass the metal detector wand over you. Not my idea of a good school.

But I guess school is what you make of it. Luckily, I made it out of high school alive and with some knowledge.

Just to clarify, it's far from great, but from my knowledge, it was better than say, Libby.

(02-20-2011, 12:28 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:23 PM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:21 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 12:10 PM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 11:44 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: I'm trying to give you all a perspective from someone who was born and raised in the same area as Johnny, as I believe this crime was a result of his aquaintances, not Lisa's (of course it could've been somone that they both know, but was mainly his friend).

People in Toledo have a certain mindset for survivial. I'm trying to provide some knowledge and insight as someone in that mindset.

I'll back up ToledoNatives sentiments. I didn't grow up in Toledo but right outside in the suburbs and we didn't go to Toledo unless it was to get drugs or alcohol underage. What's sad is that the South End is one of the better parts of Toledo. Bowsher was considered one of the best high schools (within toledo) from my memory. I can honestly say I would NEVER send my kids to school in Toledo. The education is lacking and the only thing they learn, is how to be a thug. Not to say there weren't thugs living in the suburbs too, but it really is night and day between the two. You really can't understand unless you've lived in the area. It's sad.

LoserCity and PurplePegasus you are dead on correct.

Who told anyone Bowsher was a great school?

While there, I saw a classmate get stabbed, tons of fights, tons of drugs, tons of gangs, a police officer on site at all times, and metal detectors at the doors upon entering. If you set off the walk through metal detector, there was a person waiting to pass the metal detector wand over you. Not my idea of a good school.

But I guess school is what you make of it. Luckily, I made it out of high school alive and with some knowledge.

Just to clarify, it's far from great, but from my knowledge, it was better than say, Libby.

Hmmmm...

I would say Libbey and Bowsher would be about equally rough.

If I had to pick a local school worse than Bowsher, I would probably say Scott.

(02-20-2011, 12:36 PM)DickTracy Wrote: I live outside Toledo, but have tons of family there. I dread every time I have to go there for anything!

(02-20-2011, 12:36 PM)DickTracy Wrote: I live outside Toledo, but have tons of family there. I dread every time I have to go there for anything!

(02-20-2011, 11:11 AM)aileen Wrote: If anyone is listening to the scanner that was posted...is their a certain channel that is busier than the other?? Just wondering which one has more action.lol

(02-20-2011, 11:52 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: Maytee would know that. Everybody around there would know that. I would be wondering how Maytee was so quick with the exact address of Lisa's house. Then on the tapes, you hear Maytee on the phone driving with someone to Lisa's house and she is talking like she has never driven there before, i.e. "I think that's the street right there", etc.