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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 04:08 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:00 PM)Jane Wrote:(02-20-2011, 03:52 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:(02-20-2011, 03:45 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:(02-20-2011, 03:34 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: I think 3-5 are reasonable, but IDK that I think Johnny messed with the money, I think it's possible this was revenge against Maytee or even possibly his dad. I think the people are involved in gangs, but isn't directly related to the gang. Okay TotallyCurious is rubbing off on me!! I admit it! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 04:10 PM)Duchess Wrote: So would I!! My son is 24 in Grad School getting his PHD in English, he wants to be a College Professor. If he came home talking that tripe, well ... Let's just say it wouldn't be pretty! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ToledoNative - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 04:09 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:03 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:02 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: revenge murder doesn't involve robbery staging. you just kill them, perhaps sadistically. LC, you have the law enforcement background, not me. Tell me if I am wrong in thinking that it is vital to figure out why such a hateful, personal, torturous way chosen for the killing? If it was, "hey dude, grab those bags that are on the counter and look in the drawer for some tape", would be much different than the intruders bringing in the items with the intention of using this method of killing. So find out why the method of killing was chosen, narrow down suspects? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Methusala - 02-20-2011 Another view of Toledo http://tinyurl.com/67t8wa8 ToledoBlade.com Printed Sunday, February 20, 2011 Local youths hear message of hope, dreams Democratic women's club invites young Internet sensation to speak By ERICA BLAKE BLADE STAFF WRITER Standing before a room full of elected officials, local educators, and community activists on Saturday, Deonte' Bridges delivered his message of adversity, hope, and dreams. Although his words were soaked up by members of the community's elite, the 19-year-old University of Georgia freshman wasn't really speaking to them. Instead, it was the dozens of youths -- from elementary to high school students -- whom he hoped to reach. Mr. Bridges was the keynote speaker at the Perry Burroughs Democratic Women's Club Seventh Annual Black History Brunch. A graduate of Booker T. Washington High School in Atlanta, Mr. Bridges was the school's 2010 valedictorian and the first African-American student to achieve the honor in more than a decade. "Simply stated, I've had my shares of obstacles and heartaches," he said at the event at Gladieux Meadows. "But while adversity can cause some people to break, it can also cause some people to break records…" Mr. Bridges' valedictory speech last spring became an Internet sensation and caught the eye of local organizers. Made up of women throughout Lucas County, the Perry Burroughs Democratic Women's Club was established in 1942 to "study, understand, and perpetuate" the party's principles. Although the club works year-round to educate citizens on the power of voting, Saturdayit focused on education of a different sort. Several schools were represented at the brunch, sponsored by local officials and lawyers. At one table, sponsored by Mayor Mike Bell, students from a Spring Elementary School sixth-grade class came to hear Mr. Bridges' speech and present him with a handmade book of essays and poems in which each contributed something about Black History Month. At another table sat several students from Scott High School, who presented a book bag and "Stand Up" T-shirt to Mr. Bridges. TiRhohn Sanders, 18, said Mr. Bridges' educational accomplishments symbolize what so many of his fellow students work hard for each day. "The negative publicity is what is given the spotlight, but that's just a few," he said of his high school. "The majority have high standards, are on the honor roll, and are pursuing careers and college." During his talk, Mr. Bridges noted the obstacles he faced in his life -- the death of his brother, his mother's leukemia diagnosis, and the time he was robbed at gunpoint. But he said he refused to use any of the events as excuses not to work hard. He thanked his parents, his educators, and God for keeping him focused and noted it was his hard work that opened the door to more than $1 million in scholarship offers. Mayor Bell said he hoped the message resonated with the young people in the audience, adding that encouragement to do well in school probably would reach more deeply if it came from another teenager. "They get enough from adults," he said. "Kids respond better to people who are similarly situated." Also honored were local teens who embody educational excellence: Johnathon Bush, a senior at Catholic High School and owner of his own company, Not Just Cookies LLC, and St. Francis de Sales High School senior Keon Pearson, the first African-American valedictorian in the school's 55-year history. Kenneth Brown, a 15-year-old Sylvania Southview High School sophomore, said he attended the event with his grandfather. He said he was encouraged to attend the event by his older brother, who had enjoyed it in the past. He said that he not only listened to the words of the various speakers but took them to heart. "I thought [Mr. Bridges'] message really spoke to me to do better in school, to strive to do more, and to take advantage of the opportunities that are given to me." Contact Erica Blake at: [email protected] or 419-213-2134. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 04:19 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:09 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:03 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:02 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: revenge murder doesn't involve robbery staging. you just kill them, perhaps sadistically. that just reinforces my thinking. it escalated, murder wasn't intended at the outset. they used whatever means at their disposal, common household items. and it is never necessary to prove motive. but juries like to know anyway. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ToledoNative - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 04:21 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:19 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:09 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:03 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:02 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: revenge murder doesn't involve robbery staging. you just kill them, perhaps sadistically. Ok and if that's true, don't you agree that there would've been more than two perps. I mean, in order to subdue Johnny, who is not a little wimpy boy and without a bunch of marks to his face, and subdue Lisa, AND find the items in the house (kitchen) used to kill...definitely lots of people involved? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-20-2011 yes. at least 2. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - TotallyCurious - 02-20-2011 KNOWLEDGE of possible things that might go down during the evening. Prior to any bodies found. 911 Johnny's Mother: "I want to know where my son and his girlfriend are at. I want to know if they got abducted by whoever tried to assault them and rob them." RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - TotallyCurious - 02-20-2011 1st call to 911 by Maytee was at ~1:21 am 2nd call to 911~2:07 am 3rd call to 911~3:50 a.m http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ToledoNative - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 04:34 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: KNOWLEDGE of possible things that might go down during the evening. Yes, I see lots of people on here think Maytee knew something was going down before it happened. I struggle with this. I feel like she was saying this just to try and escalate the situation to 911 dispatch since LE wasn't doing too much. But, why, why would Maytee have used those words? Did someone threaten her that they were going to kidnap and/or harm her son? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ivanna - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 03:20 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:(02-20-2011, 02:55 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [quote='kitty1' pid='131744' dateline='1298226509'] Hey Hey glad to know there are some other NASCAR freaks out here with me!!! Been a fan for many years, but I have to say being in the pits on the Jr. Motorsports team has been the best high of my life! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - HeartBreaker - 02-20-2011 LC (and anyone else) what about the early reports that the parents did not believe the bags and tape were from their house? do you think this was a mistake or false information? do you think the bags and tape were brought to haul away whatever they were there to take as some have suggested? or to secure johnny and lisa as they took what they wanted? do you think if this was a robbery motive that they did not mean for johnny and lisa to be there? if it was someone they knew or were acquainted with i would think they'd want to enter when johnny and lisa were away to avoid being identified, unless murder was in the plans? (to those of you who will say they may have worn ski masks... there are other ways to ID besides seeing someone's face). unless it was someone they knew that "set them up" and sent people they wouldn't be familiar with??? sorry i'm rambling... it might not make sense as i'm typing as my thoughts come... RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - purplepegasus - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 04:39 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:34 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: KNOWLEDGE of possible things that might go down during the evening. Agreed. I struggle with whether she was trying for a reaction from 911 or if she knew something was going to happen, or if she was just completely terrified and letting her imagination run wild and speaking her fears. I think she knew she needed to have a valid reason for getting in that house and maybe thats all she was doing. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 02-20-2011 Is it at all possible they weren't supposed to die? I've asked myself that more than once. Those kids don't appear to have a mark on them, no, I didn't see Lisa but I cannot imagine her parents letting her be viewed if she was flawed. I think I'm forgetting a lot of what I've read & reading this thread looking for bits & pieces of what I question seems daunting. Was the evidence taken from the home listed? I recall talk of steak knives recently. Bah! I feel like the member that asked for cliff notes. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - HeartBreaker - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 04:39 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:(02-20-2011, 04:34 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: KNOWLEDGE of possible things that might go down during the evening. very odd choice of words, indeed. i can't decide where i stand with maytee. sometimes i feel like she knows something more (even if she is not involved directly) and sometimes i just chalk everything up that she says to her being a little loony (and grieving the loss of her son). people have been saying it all along and i'm going to repeat it... there is something that is just not right about this whole thing. it's unsettling... especially when you look closely at some of the possible players. i think that's part of what makes this case so intriguing to many. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - HeartBreaker - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 04:46 PM)Duchess Wrote: this link mentions what was taken: http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7940106 RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ToledoNative - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 04:40 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote: LC (and anyone else) what about the early reports that the parents did not believe the bags and tape were from their house? do you think this was a mistake or false information? do you think the bags and tape were brought to haul away whatever they were there to take as some have suggested? or to secure johnny and lisa as they took what they wanted? I think it's vital to know whether or not the bags came from the Straub residence or were brought in. If they were brought in it is VITAL to know what kind of bags they were, i.e. clear, grocery, garbage sized, etc., in order to try to figure out what the intentions for the bags were. I think LC's point is that it doesn't matter why this happened, it doesn't matter who did it or how, the DNA and crime scene evidence will be the proof for the convicitions. Correct? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-20-2011 (02-20-2011, 11:34 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:(02-20-2011, 02:21 AM)shitstorm Wrote:(02-19-2011, 07:43 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:(02-19-2011, 07:34 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote: I have gone through many of the "friends" trying to figure out the gangs. I see several people posted that Donald and Aaron were Bloods. However, most of the language and info that I have seen by many of the other friends indicates that they were Crips. Well, I sure know what you mean about the little white kid wannabees that exist all across America (and overseas!) but I'm thinking that hard core gangs have also moved around the country, as well. MS13 is in the midwest, ffs. There comes a point where this is no longer emulation but the real deal. Looking at Tiffany's mother shows me that Tiffany is (at least) second generation. I'm also really interested in Maytee's origins. Considering she's Cuban, my mind keeps returning to south Florida and THAT bunch of Cubans that came over during the Carter administration. I would also point out that looking at all of the FM and MySpace pages will show that these people are NOT white kid wannabees. Some of that shit looks, to borrow a phrase, straight out of Compton. In a span of just 10 years, things can really change and I would not underestimate the degree of what Toledo is dealing with. jmho, of course. I'd like to add, here, since we're all discussing this stuff, if people have not seen the film 'Colors', go rent it. It's not over the top, at all, and it is a very accurate representation of real life gang culture. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - TotallyCurious - 02-20-2011 Unfortunately the real criminals - the people who stalked the home and set up the hit- were not there so will not get punished in any way by LE. Their debt may be paid, but not by money or items in safes. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 02-20-2011 This is how I think it may have gone down. TW and the minor and a few others were there the night before. They saw the house. They knew Johnny had some drugs, maybe weed and percocets, and they hear or suspect there's a safe in that house and Johnny and Lisa are going to be there by themselves(probably hearing it from TW and/or her minor friend). TW and the minor were suppose to be the only ones invited over that night, that's what TW said. Plus TW may have been stalling or checking where Johnny and Lisa were, for whom ever, with her call back about running to the store. IMO. Johnny also could have stepped on drug dealing punk's toes by selling some of his wares in an area he wasn't suppose to, and before picking up Lisa from work he was hanging around with old neighborhood friends watching the ProBowl, so it is a possibility, all those neighborhood thugs have their areas and they don't want anybody else stepping in. TW and the minor are well aware of who these homies are, JMO. Now, once in, you don't need more than 2, if they stuck a knife to Lisa's throat Johnny may have complied instead of resisting, it happens all the time and people wonder how did the subdue those big guys, that's how! This is the part where they bit off more than they could chew, at least one of them was sociopath, a sadist, psycho who went too far... What do you think Lady Cop?? |