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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Freshbait78 - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 02:25 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 03:38 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 02:52 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: Wasn't there a big time span between when the cops left the 2nd time and when 911 was called the 3rd time (after the bodies were found)? What were Maytee & crew doing during this time? Just hanging out in the cold?

What if they really did see the bodies in the basement and they moved them upstairs to the kitchen before calling 911? I'm just throwing it out there, I have no idea why they'd do this.

In addition to the times of the 3 - 911 calls posted earlier I have tried to find an answer to your question of what the respective players were doing inbetween the second and 3rd calls. Tw says the police told her to go home. and she indicates that she left. I can find no information about JCs parents except that some neighbors heard loud crying relative to this gruesome discovery and that would have put it beyond your question's time frame. That being where they were after 2nd call but before third call. Sorry.


TW is quoted here:
(02-16-2011 08:28 PM)tiffwill123 Wrote:
i left while the police were ther this was the first time his dad was there.the police said to go they didnt see nothing wrong.i guess johnnys dad went back and kicked the door in.i was not there

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there were FOUR 911 calls.

First one Maytee was at home and she was having the panic attack.

Second one she was still at home and more calm.

Third one she arrives on the scene and puts Tiffany on with 911.

FOURTH one is after Johnny's dad found the bodies and Maytee says they're tied up.

I think only 3. One at home having a panic attack. Two on her way there with cousin & on that call she arrives & puts Tiffany on the phone & Third after her husband kicked in the door.


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Wish.I.was.a.P.I - 02-21-2011

okay, I just had a thought...the 911 call where Maytee mentions "Did whoever robbed and assualted, abduct my son?"...okay I know that's not exactly how she said it but, when you think of somone being abducted, what do they generally do in order to abduct them? Bound their hands and/or feet and ....put bags over their heads so they can't see where they are going, who's taking them etc..maybe I'm thinking too much of the movies where people are getting grabbed and thrown into Vans but I just invisioned an "abduction".


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 04:32 AM)curious Wrote: Come on people, look at the posts from people who have direct insight into the case, which if you don't catch the fact almost every single detail that's been posted has been accounted for, then I suggest going back through EVERY single thread... combined with the evidence at hand and the dissaociation b/w the two families and the fact the FBI are involved, given the most recent news regarding whine invastions resulting from drug deals gone bad and revenge type killings...impo, this case is far from being resolved but impo, the motive behind it is there, but finding the perps involved may never be resolved. As I've stated all along, I think the "key" lies in the hands of four people, all of which have more street knowledge than common sense, which is much more beneficial when dealing with a crime of this nature. Let's not discount the details that impo clearly hold credence with the facts and overall insight to the details of the crime.

Obviously most of the information has not been reported by LE and it's not going to be until all the ducks are in a row...remember if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

So let's review...and we're all adults and capable of going back through threads, so not going to specifically reference them unless requested by LC or Dutchess...and please note this is my solely my opinion...

- Maytee's husband was reportedly busted driving a truck load of herion, combined with the rumored info
- TW is a reported heroin dealer
- Rumored Lisa's tongue had been cut in some fashion and
several references by Maytee in regards to tongue abuse on perps
- it's been posted neighbors recall seeing a white van at the strains house in the days leading up to the murders, followed by another post questioning why Maytee didn't drive the family van to the home in the night of the murders - ummm
- Maytee makes a point to mention a key in the garage that lots of people know about which is used to gain entrance to the home and ironically evidence was published by LW that a key was
found under the body of LS
- immediate reaction, rather over-reaction of Maytee to throw TW under the bus...suspicious at best and obvious derailment at most
- FINDING IT OKAY FOR YOUR HUSBAND TO RIDE IN THE CAR TO WITH THE PERSON WHO YOU CLAIM SET-UP THE MURDERS NOT 20 MIN LATER??
- there's a big fat reason why the two families are not in communication with each other and haven't been since the on-set
- if you had a good relationship with your family, you certainly don't need a FB page to try and express it!!

I could go on and on, but for the sake of the obvious being blatantly clear impo, the case is going to hit closer to home than we all would like to think.

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and the reference to the tongue being cut out

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That's a very interesting observation about the key. All of those points are interesting.

Couple questions:

How do you know Johnny's dad was busted with a truck load of heroin? I've seen that mentioned a few times. I can't see it being a "truck load", but some heroin, sure.

As far as I know, only one or two here mentioned a white van, so that's rumor. No news reports nor LE have talked about it. Where are you getting that detail from (here?)?


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 06:04 AM)Deja Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 03:55 AM)KarmaK Wrote:
(02-20-2011, 10:22 PM)Methusala Wrote: I wish I had asked TW to explain to us what this means in plain English:

"… im a down ass bytch n i ryde 4 my niggas n bytchs......"

What does that phrase actually mean?
What did she intend it to mean, especially the "…i ryde 4…"

Does it have to do with selling drugs?
Does it mean we stick together and are loyal and don't snitch?

i know "ride or die" refers to sticking around no matter how bad times are and not being a snitch. and if u snitch you die

could it mean : i am a no nonsense girl and i stick up for my girls and boys ?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ride%20or%20die


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Nina - 02-21-2011

OK, I think Johnny's mom is a little off too and some of her posts on FB etc seem pretty whack - however I really have no idea how I would react if something this horrific happened to me --------AND neither do you. My dad had a heart attack (that turned out NOT to be be fatal) and even I was surprised at my reacton - I literally freaked out trying to get to the hospital - Panic attack? Mind numbing fear? I don't know but I certainly didn't act like I would have guessed I might act if someone told me he was being rushed to the hospital. I was too scared to be rational so I can only imagine how this mother might have felt. And if you don't have teenagers - let me clue you into something......... A LOT of good kids from good families do drugs. And if they don't do them, they know and probably hang out with kids that do. I admit these kids do seem a little more "gangsta" than most but sadly a lot of kids today are street savvy. I would say MOST of them spoke pot - it is a social norm just like it was in the 70s.

Maytee does not act like I think I would act - like anyone I know would react - however sounds like she lives in a different world than me so I can't judge other than to say it sounds like she would benefit from some meds right now. But to all of you that are implying or flat out saying that she was involved in this - you are entitled to your opinion but that IS CRAZY! SHE IS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS. If you've ever had a teenager , you probably know the gnawing fear you get when your phone rings late at night - you always worry about them. Most kids would NEVER call a parent in the middle of the night unless it was very serious - and you can bet your ass that if one of my sons' friends called me at 2am even suggesting there might be a problem , I would panic and freak out as much or more than Maytee was.

All that being said, I do think TW is involved. At the very least she knows who did it, but I think she is more involved than that. If I had to guess, I'd say it was her bf and some of his friends that did this. This pregnant girl with 3 kids and prob a min wage job is out with friends "spoiling" themselves at the mall 2 days after this robbery is a lot more suspicious than Maytee's behavior. When her bf died a few months before this incident she constantly commented about it on FB but she's only made one minor reference to her 2 friends dying so terribly - she was the last "friend" to speak to these kids and should be traumatized but she is obviously not. I guess we'll have to wait and see..........


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-21-2011

in our impatience for answers and solutions and arrests..witness Zahra's case today. 4 months to indict someone. it takes time to build a case that you feel you can win at trial.


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 12:48 PM)Duchess Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 12:40 PM)trixie Wrote: Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too!


Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?

The car was in the garage, first page of this thread....


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-21-2011

if i haven't already, welcome Nina~~ Smiley_emoticons_smile


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - catch22 - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 12:26 PM)kitty1 Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 12:15 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Does anyone have all the newspaper articles and 911 calls in
one spot? Do you think it would be helpful to post them here
for the people who might not go back and read?

i think it sounds like a grand idea TC. even though i've read the entire thread i find myself going back often. unless i'm stupid i can't find a way to go back(even if i know the post number) in a quick way. is ther a spot to punch in a page number or a thread number ?? yes i am old and computer challenged!! Signs_173

you can enter the page # at the end of the web address bar (or whatever it's called. (the http//www....xxxxxx.html thing) it's near the end of it where it says "page-403.html"

i think tiff did say she's talked to police twice. that night and the next day.




RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 06:39 AM)Duchess Wrote:

I keep returning to the thought that people were wandering around the outside of the house trying to peer through the windows. Johnny & Lisa could have been anywhere yet his family felt certain they were inside the house & couldn't answer the door or phone. The average person DOES NOT exhibit that kind of behavior when the door isn't answered. You just don't wander around the outside of someone's home like that.

Unless Lisa's car was there. Then I could see it (especially considering what sort of shit Maytee may have known Johnny was up to).



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - jenjen - 02-21-2011

(02-20-2011, 10:22 PM)Methusala Wrote: I wish I had asked TW to explain to us what this means in plain English:

"… im a down ass bytch n i ryde 4 my niggas n bytchs......"

What does that phrase actually mean?
What did she intend it to mean, especially the "…i ryde 4…"

Does it have to do with selling drugs?
Does it mean we stick together and are loyal and don't snitch?

I take it to mean, she's tough, can hang with the big boys and, will retaliate against anyone who messes with her male and female friends...her posse.

FROM THE URBAN DICTIONARY:

1. DOWN ASS BITCH
A girl who sticks up for her man whenever he needs her.
Popularized by Ja Rule in early 2000.

Example: My girl pulled a gat on the po's last night..for real ; she's a down ass bitch.


2. DOWN ASS BITCH
a woman who is a lady but she can hang with thugs. She will lie for you but still love you. She will die for you but cry for you. Most importantly she will kill for you like she'll comfort you. She is a ride or die bitch who will do whatever it takes to be by your side. She'll be your Bonnie if you are her Clyde. Thugs love these bitches and they show this by showering them with stacks of cash, flashy jewels and rides.

Ja Rule wrote a song about his" Down Ass Bitch" and since then all thugs aspire to get one.


4. RIDE
A term started by West Coast gangstas, meaning to attack previously targeted individual(s), usually in retaliation for a humiliating stunt or a fallen comrade. Riding also may not require a reason. This is similar to a jump, but the key difference is that a car or other vehicle is usually necessary. See also drive by.

Example:
Ant: Yo, (points) isn't that the mo'fucka that jacked yo' skrill?

Fady: Yea, fo sho, let's go ride on that bitch.





RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 06:40 AM)pspence Wrote: Forgive me, but I've read your post over and over and find it fascinating but still don't totally get what you are trying to say...I'm thinking that you think M maybe snitched on on T and that is why you think M suspected her of being in a setup but what I don't get is when you said "why didn't M or husband drive the family van over"... I don't think for a second that M could have been involved in anyway wanting her son involved...bottom line no matter of anything else, she loves him more than life itself...please clue me in and pardon my being dense if I'm not getting the obvious...

I'm a ways back in the thread so maybe this has been addressed:

It seems you discount Tiffany or Maytee being involved. You do realize these people all have records and are surrounded by hoodrats and gangsters, right?

What was the pic you posted supposed to mean? Looked like a town on the Mediterranean. I don't get it.


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 02:56 PM)shitstorm Wrote: (especially considering what sort of shit Maytee may have known Johnny was up to).


That's why I worded my post the way I did. Something is just too odd, other than the obvious that is. I don't think the mother was involved with the death of her son but, she jumped to conclusions immediately and she was very firm about it. That family continues to profess his innocence, to state that he was on the right path, his life had turned around, blah, blah, fuckin' blah, yet she immediately has a sense of foreboding that night. I'd love for her to come in here & explain that.





RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - jenjen - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 10:38 AM)esbee Wrote: So expunged records aren't visible to us via public records, right?

I guess where I'm going with this is could Maytee have a lot more criminal activity than we are viewing on her rap sheet? Could there be a kernel of truth to what some have described as her pattern of snitching?

You are correct expunged, records are not visable to the public. A person could've had charges expunged or sealed and they wouldn't show.

As far as someone getting an expungement in exchange for a plea agreement, I've never heard of it but, I suppose anything is possible.




RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 06:59 AM)Duchess Wrote:

Maytee, I KNOW you're reading this. You're welcome here. You have defenders & others who feel a great deal of sympathy for you. There are many here who would welcome your input. You obviously have a great deal to say & Mock would give you a platform to say it with no boundaries placed on you. The only thing you wouldn't be allowed to do is make personal threats to others. Are you interested?

Good post, Duchess.




RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - trixie - 02-21-2011

(02-18-2011, 10:17 PM)Jane Wrote:
(02-18-2011, 10:14 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:
(02-18-2011, 10:02 PM)Jane Wrote: just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

Well I guess its the driveway then thanks

definately in the driveway, per Maytee & Tiffany, so far.



Just wanted to quote this because there has been so much speculation on where the car actually was.


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 03:00 PM)jenjen Wrote: DOWN ASS BITCH
a woman who is a lady


282828





RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - kitty1 - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 02:56 PM)catch22 Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 12:26 PM)kitty1 Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 12:15 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Does anyone have all the newspaper articles and 911 calls in
one spot? Do you think it would be helpful to post them here
for the people who might not go back and read?

i think it sounds like a grand idea TC. even though i've read the entire thread i find myself going back often. unless i'm stupid i can't find a way to go back(even if i know the post number) in a quick way. is ther a spot to punch in a page number or a thread number ?? yes i am old and computer challenged!! Signs_173

you can enter the page # at the end of the web address bar (or whatever it's called. (the http//www....xxxxxx.html thing) it's near the end of it where it says "page-403.html"

i think tiff did say she's talked to police twice. that night and the next day.

thanks for the info. i asked about tiff because i was told by the dect. that both tiff and Z were questioned several times and this was almost a week or so before she stated this. hmmmmm


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - PURPLECATS - 02-21-2011

Could the KEY 544 be Lisa's locker key at work? If she had one
she could of had it on her when she got home










RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-21-2011

(02-21-2011, 09:16 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: welcome Deja and any others i may have missed in my futile quest for some sleep!

a couple thoughts this morning since i am cranky and need some tea...

it is snowing like a bitch and i have to go out in it and get cigarettes. pray for me. 30 i know Duchess will pray i get my arse back here.
hahahahaha

and FOR THE LAST TIME, THERE IS NO 'T' IN DUCHESS! it is right in front of your noses. 52

thankyou. i have an unhealthy spelling fetish, and she IS our admin. next "Dutchess" i see gets tasered. Taser

*snarl*

let's hope for some news today before we begin devouring our young. Awink








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