(02-22-2011, 01:21 AM)DickTracy Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 01:16 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I HAD NOT SEEN THIS FB PAGE BEFORE.
Quite intriguing comment by Maytee.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?tab=3#!/JC.and.LS.Case

What comment are you speaking of ? I believe she was banned on that site too !

(02-21-2011, 05:01 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:53 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:50 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:45 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: ok i got it. again, how is this person connected to this case? we are not going to speculate about everybody on everybody's facebook friends. i need a nexus.

Are you talking about VD or his GF?

mj facebook. i have no idea who vd is.
maybe i have finally lost the plot.

VD was really good friends with JC, and is the boyfriend of the girl on FB who said she was with JC before he went to pick up LS, watching the Pro Bowl. Turns out VD, after JC was murdered, replied to someone who said wasn't that horrible about JC, and he answered Johnny who (unknown posted that)? So far so good?? VD also went to legacy.com and post a big goodbye to JC there, but he was asking just before that Johnny who?
Okay well VD is FB friends with MJ and turns out MJ is also friends with TW's current boy AG> So VD's girlfriend was supposedly with JC right before he picked up LS, per her post on FB. And the deeper you dig the scarier the characters are that are all connected!

(02-22-2011, 02:03 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:01 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:53 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:50 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:45 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: ok i got it. again, how is this person connected to this case? we are not going to speculate about everybody on everybody's facebook friends. i need a nexus.

Are you talking about VD or his GF?

mj facebook. i have no idea who vd is.
maybe i have finally lost the plot.

VD was really good friends with JC, and is the boyfriend of the girl on FB who said she was with JC before he went to pick up LS, watching the Pro Bowl. Turns out VD, after JC was murdered, replied to someone who said wasn't that horrible about JC, and he answered Johnny who (unknown posted that)? So far so good?? VD also went to legacy.com and post a big goodbye to JC there, but he was asking just before that Johnny who?
Okay well VD is FB friends with MJ and turns out MJ is also friends with TW's current boy AG> So VD's girlfriend was supposedly with JC right before he picked up LS, per her post on FB. And the deeper you dig the scarier the characters are that are all connected!

Damn, I've been away from the thread all night and it's 1 AM. No sleep for me, AGAIN.

You're good, Kat. I nominate you to do the flow chart.

(02-21-2011, 12:17 AM)Free_Dom Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 12:14 AM)Jane Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 10:26 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I double checked...Lisa and Tiffany became facebook friends on Jan. 21^st, followed by a post from Lisa saying, "whats uppp biaaatch.. i need ur diggies baby lol" then Tiffany posts her phone number and says that she heard "they" (Lisa and Johnny?) were at the minor's house and she wants Lisa to get her a job where Lisa works.

Seems Lisa was fairly chummy with Tiffany, by that message.

She must have deleted it, I can't find that comment on her facebook.

(02-21-2011, 05:01 PM)toledoarea Wrote: No. These guys in this youtube video are toolbags compared to these guys like M.J. I mean, any guy in a gang is a toolbag but these guys are more hard core. Look at M.J. tats on his forearms. It's 300 on one and Western on the other. Western Ave. is a bad area in south toledo. It's "300 WESTERN BLOCC CRIPZ" is actually how they present and rep their hood.

(02-21-2011, 12:38 PM)wanttoknow Wrote: Does Maytee think they sit up in heaven on computers reading facebook. When I read her posts I keep picturing rows of angels on computers, with their wings getting caught in their office chairs.

(02-21-2011, 05:18 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:40 PM)Adub Wrote: She has two fb's.

Thanks - I missed that. And she's using them both by the look of it. Why do you think that is? (Neither one is friends with JC Sr though.)

(02-21-2011, 11:51 AM)esbee Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 11:25 AM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: Personally, I think whomever is writing about Mock on the facebook pages writes it there because they know that there are actual law enforcement people on this site and won't come on here and talk their talk.

Another thing I've noticed about Maytee...she seems to be in competition with the Straubs, whether it be to set up a fund because they set up a fund or because she's a good mom just like they were good parents, Lisa's past is just as bad as Johnny's past. I can't imagine her pain and what that can do to you but that's just an observation I've had...add that with the love she had for Johnny but knowing Johnny loved Lisa and chose to live with her over Maytee...I definitly can see her feeling like she had/has to comepte with Lisa/Straub's. AND..let's not forget if what's been said about her husband cheating, she's probably over the top with jealousy and feelings of competition.

I so agree with you here.

I think Johnny was distancing himself from Maytee. Others have used the word "embarrassed" and I believe that to my core.

Here was a chance for Johnny to make good. He was welcomed by a stable, respectable family and loved by a young woman who didn't talk or act like a gangster. She was edgy enough to like to party and to tolerate his past transgressions. He could envision a future far different from the environment of his youth, an upbringing he was most likely desperate to escape.

I think Maytee resented it fiercely. And I think Johnny's peers resented it, too.

(02-22-2011, 02:29 AM)Jane Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 11:51 AM)esbee Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 11:25 AM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: Personally, I think whomever is writing about Mock on the facebook pages writes it there because they know that there are actual law enforcement people on this site and won't come on here and talk their talk.

Another thing I've noticed about Maytee...she seems to be in competition with the Straubs, whether it be to set up a fund because they set up a fund or because she's a good mom just like they were good parents, Lisa's past is just as bad as Johnny's past. I can't imagine her pain and what that can do to you but that's just an observation I've had...add that with the love she had for Johnny but knowing Johnny loved Lisa and chose to live with her over Maytee...I definitly can see her feeling like she had/has to comepte with Lisa/Straub's. AND..let's not forget if what's been said about her husband cheating, she's probably over the top with jealousy and feelings of competition.

I so agree with you here.

I think Johnny was distancing himself from Maytee. Others have used the word "embarrassed" and I believe that to my core.

Here was a chance for Johnny to make good. He was welcomed by a stable, respectable family and loved by a young woman who didn't talk or act like a gangster. She was edgy enough to like to party and to tolerate his past transgressions. He could envision a future far different from the environment of his youth, an upbringing he was most likely desperate to escape.

I think Maytee resented it fiercely. And I think Johnny's peers resented it, too.

I think you're probably right!

(02-22-2011, 02:29 AM)Jane Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 11:51 AM)esbee Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 11:25 AM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: Personally, I think whomever is writing about Mock on the facebook pages writes it there because they know that there are actual law enforcement people on this site and won't come on here and talk their talk.

Another thing I've noticed about Maytee...she seems to be in competition with the Straubs, whether it be to set up a fund because they set up a fund or because she's a good mom just like they were good parents, Lisa's past is just as bad as Johnny's past. I can't imagine her pain and what that can do to you but that's just an observation I've had...add that with the love she had for Johnny but knowing Johnny loved Lisa and chose to live with her over Maytee...I definitly can see her feeling like she had/has to comepte with Lisa/Straub's. AND..let's not forget if what's been said about her husband cheating, she's probably over the top with jealousy and feelings of competition.

I so agree with you here.

I think Johnny was distancing himself from Maytee. Others have used the word "embarrassed" and I believe that to my core.

Here was a chance for Johnny to make good. He was welcomed by a stable, respectable family and loved by a young woman who didn't talk or act like a gangster. She was edgy enough to like to party and to tolerate his past transgressions. He could envision a future far different from the environment of his youth, an upbringing he was most likely desperate to escape.

I think Maytee resented it fiercely. And I think Johnny's peers resented it, too.

I think you're probably right!

(02-22-2011, 02:51 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: If Johnny was completely trying to escape his past and begin a better life, he wouldn't be hanging out with the social elite like Tiffany, have digital scales in his girlfriend's parent's house, and he sure wouldn't let Lisa around people like Tiffany.

(02-22-2011, 03:00 AM)sealed27 Wrote: I believe the cell phones are a big lead for this case, maybe that is part of not hearing much until evidence comes back, if cellphones were strewn about, maybe one of the victims had record on their phone and maybe they wanted and thought if they broke those phones up no one would know anything, just been thinking why would they have destroyed phones, if the victims were taped up at wrists then why did they break the phones?

(02-21-2011, 03:10 PM)trixie Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:17 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:14 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:02 PM)Jane Wrote: just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

Well I guess its the driveway then thanks

definately in the driveway, per Maytee & Tiffany, so far.

Just wanted to quote this because there has been so much speculation on where the car actually was.

(02-21-2011, 03:17 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 02:56 PM)catch22 Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 12:26 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 12:15 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Does anyone have all the newspaper articles and 911 calls in
one spot? Do you think it would be helpful to post them here
for the people who might not go back and read?

i think it sounds like a grand idea TC. even though i've read the entire thread i find myself going back often. unless i'm stupid i can't find a way to go back(even if i know the post number) in a quick way. is ther a spot to punch in a page number or a thread number ?? yes i am old and computer challenged!!

you can enter the page # at the end of the web address bar (or whatever it's called. (the http//www....xxxxxx.html thing) it's near the end of it where it says "page-403.html"

i think tiff did say she's talked to police twice. that night and the next day.

thanks for the info. i asked about tiff because i was told by the dect. that both tiff and Z were questioned several times and this was almost a week or so before she stated this. hmmmmm