Mock
Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Printable Version

+- Mock (https://mockforums.net)
+-- Forum: Serious Shit? (https://mockforums.net/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: Lady Cop's Cell Block - Crime Forum (https://mockforums.net/forum-21.html)
+--- Thread: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered (/thread-4737.html)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167 1168 1169 1170 1171 1172 1173 1174 1175 1176 1177 1178 1179 1180 1181 1182 1183 1184 1185 1186 1187 1188 1189 1190 1191 1192 1193 1194 1195 1196 1197 1198 1199 1200 1201 1202 1203 1204 1205 1206 1207 1208 1209 1210 1211 1212 1213 1214 1215 1216 1217 1218 1219 1220 1221

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 03:43 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 03:38 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 02:15 PM)kitty1 Wrote: did Tiff state on here that the police had questioned her 2 times? Anybody recall?

On her baby dad's page he said they questioned her every day at the
beginning.

Yep he (AG/AP) said that, I read it. He said on the Justice for JC & LS page too.

aaaaah, I never read that! Brainexplode



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 05:36 PM)Spalding Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 05:34 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 05:26 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: Can someone fill me in on who M.J. is? I've got the rest of that story figured out. Also, I think that reply "Johnny who?" was VD being an asshole because the person spelled the name Johny. I'm not reading into that too much, but I saw the comment about the work in the suburbs! Crazy shit, niggas!

Purple I sent you a PM.
What's the point of the forum if the real info is being discussed in a sub-forum of PM's?

I was wondering if LC and Duchess might let us have reference thread, in the members only section, where we can post the FB and MySpace links of the peripheral playahs. That would really help me! I know I keep I saying I need a flow chart and people probably think I'm kidding but I'm not! I can't keep all the people straight and I can't figure out whose FB page to go to look at to locate the friends with various initials. I think the entire social circle is fascinating to explore and relevant to the case.

There used to be a really great show on murders, and I can't recall which cable channel had it or what it was called, so maybe someone here will remember. Seems like it was on Saturday afternoons and it was narrated by a guy with deep, kind of spooky voice. It was always about a murder, often higher society, such as doctors killing their wifes and those types of stories, and they'd start out with a great background on the town, the society, who went to what church, ran the grocery store, etc, and stuff like that. It wasn't a forensics show but more Dominic Dunne style, giving all the connections between the various people in the town and all the gossip. That fleshes out a story and makes it a lot more interesting, which we need because if I hear one more thing about where the car was parked, or what the key went to, I think I'm gonna scream.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 03:48 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 10:24 AM)notsure Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 09:54 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 09:51 AM)cjcisneros Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 09:39 AM)kfran Wrote: THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I was starting to lose my mind w/all the repeat questions the last couple of days. People please read this thread from the beginning. We've already discussed the 5-4-4 key, the interband pants, the endless FB pages, the white van, blah blah blah. Please stop asking repeat questions & just read this thread from the beginning- yes all 400 pages. Russian

I was saying the same thing ! It took me along time to read all and I had to go back to some and actually made notes ! I have been curious about this story from the beginning and it seems like it may be a while -if at all - that we know all the facts.

Notworthy i about had a fit this morning when i read that someone had asked what time lisa got off work when we had just discussed it only hours before. READ people READ!!! repeated questions are only making this thread longer and more tedious to go through!

sorry, i was a few pages behind. btw, take it easy, they aren't giving daytime emmys here. with my question about the time she got off work. After reading further it still hasn't been established by anyone who knew lisa what time she got off work. I want emperical evidence showing what time she got off work. its very important to 1st establish a true timeline of events. not guesses, but someone who she works with say she got in the car with Mr. Clarke at 10:06 pm. we all know what that establishes with tiff's 11:00 call then. (of course unknown's comment about the lights on 1st time cops come, off the 2nd throws a wrench)

Unfortunately, just about nothing (in terms of facts and evidence) has been revealed by LE. We've got 400 pages of people shooting the shit, essentially. We're addicted to the thread. Because I know I get sick of endless speculation about the key, where the car was parked, were they really walking out the door, etc, because WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING and have concocted every conceivable theory, I found the posters who gave us background on Toledo to be really interesting. I like to get a picture of this in a larger context. It's more like a book that way and we get away from the minutia that we just don't know the facts about. Short of Mockers hiring a private investigator to go an dig more up, we can't know what time Lisa punched out, etc. I'm surprised that we haven't seen anyone who worked at Fridays come forward with some info.

good post! You summed everything up!44

eta - point point about TGIF



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Just-Curious - 02-22-2011

What is that about????Smiley_emoticons_skeptisch

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-22-2011

(02-22-2011, 03:24 AM)shitstorm Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 05:36 PM)Spalding Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 05:34 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 05:26 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: Can someone fill me in on who M.J. is? I've got the rest of that story figured out. Also, I think that reply "Johnny who?" was VD being an asshole because the person spelled the name Johny. I'm not reading into that too much, but I saw the comment about the work in the suburbs! Crazy shit, niggas!

Purple I sent you a PM.
What's the point of the forum if the real info is being discussed in a sub-forum of PM's?

I was wondering if LC and Duchess might let us have reference thread, in the members only section, where we can post the FB and MySpace links of the peripheral playahs. That would really help me! I know I keep I saying I need a flow chart and people probably think I'm kidding but I'm not! I can't keep all the people straight and I can't figure out whose FB page to go to look at to locate the friends with various initials. I think the entire social circle is fascinating to explore and relevant to the case.

There used to be a really great show on murders, and I can't recall which cable channel had it or what it was called, so maybe someone here will remember. Seems like it was on Saturday afternoons and it was narrated by a guy with deep, kind of spooky voice. It was always about a murder, often higher society, such as doctors killing their wifes and those types of stories, and they'd start out with a great background on the town, the society, who went to what church, ran the grocery store, etc, and stuff like that. It wasn't a forensics show but more Dominic Dunne style, giving all the connections between the various people in the town and all the gossip. That fleshes out a story and makes it a lot more interesting, which we need because if I hear one more thing about where the car was parked, or what the key went to, I think I'm gonna scream.

I think you might be talking about "City Confidential" .. I know the guy's name, but I just went blank (I believe he's dead now, the guy w/the spooky voice)

I have a few links saved, if anyone needs them



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 05:53 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 05:51 PM)toledoarea Wrote: different tiffany williams. interesting though. someone could be playin games and open an account under that name just to be an ass

Is it a different Tiffany Williams? There is no default picture, no friends & this person only "likes" two pages: RIP Johnny Clarke & Justice for JC & LS.

Looks like some asshole just trying to screw with Maytee.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - curious - 02-22-2011

(02-22-2011, 03:00 AM)sealed27 Wrote: I believe the cell phones are a big lead for this case, maybe that is part of not hearing much until evidence comes back, if cellphones were strewn about, maybe one of the victims had record on their phone and maybe they wanted and thought if they broke those phones up no one would know anything, just been thinking why would they have destroyed phones, if the victims were taped up at wrists then why did they break the phones?

In regards to cell phones if i recall correctly, "Grieving Friend" posted many threads back the following excerpt..."Wednesday the 2nd I get a phone call from Mr.Z's mom asking for help with a phone she found in her room and that her laptop was stolen right out her bedroom with the case. Like someone in the house had the time to package it all up and then take it..."

That statement combined with the evidence seized by LE which included cell phones and computers, coupled with the the statement by the uncle of LS that somethig to the effect that nothing of value was taken from the home including flat screen TV's, computers, etc...kinda makes me wonder whose computer it actually was that was taken into evidence...

Probably a far fetch but one worth being noted, possibly??


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 04:37 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 04:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 12:48 PM)Duchess Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 12:40 PM)trixie Wrote: Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too!


Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?


Lisa's car was in the garage. According to the Detective in front of the News cameras on the first day of the investigation. I quote Lady Cop in her opening dialogue on page 1.

- Lady Cop - 02-01-2011 01:26 PM

She said Mr. Clarke had picked up Miss Straub from work Sunday. The two "had plans with someone earlier in the evening," the detective said, but had not shown up and had not called to say they wouldn't be there.
Miss Straub's car was in the garage, and it did not appear they had gone out at all that evening, she said.

I would like to know one FACT was the car in the driveway or in the garage
god if we can't get this right how can we get anything right lol!![/color]

I know!!! Even though Maytee & Tiffany say it was in the driveway, Stooksbury said "in the garage" .. I'm going with LE



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Just-Curious - 02-22-2011

Who is "Vd" wtf ....I'm so confussed Smiley_emoticons_shockedSmiley_emoticons_shockedSmiley_emoticons_shockedSmiley_emoticons_shockedSmiley_emoticons_shocked

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 06:12 PM)KarmaK Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 05:01 PM)toledoarea Wrote: No. These guys in this youtube video are toolbags compared to these guys like M.J. I mean, any guy in a gang is a toolbag but these guys are more hard core. Look at M.J. tats on his forearms. It's 300 on one and Western on the other. Western Ave. is a bad area in south toledo. It's "300 WESTERN BLOCC CRIPZ" is actually how they present and rep their hood.
since when did true gangstas start updating their status on fb everyday?LMFAO! seriously? thats not very gangsta to me! just sayin....


Yeah, that really shows how much the internet has changed all of our lives. Can you imagine the Mafia talking shit on FB? It will probably evolve to that one day, and like Lady Cop, I think what a gold mine for LE.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 04:39 PM)Duchess Wrote:

The car was in the garage. The detective in charge stated that herself.

THANK YOU! This will be needed for another 15 pages or so, sorry! lol



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 04:44 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 04:39 PM)Duchess Wrote:

The car was in the garage. The detective in charge stated that herself.


THANK YOU!!!
I said that before and some said for sure it was in the driveway
i now the FACT:B

that was me! sorryBlush lol

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 06:45 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I've been reading some transcripts. How does the male caller know this was planned & "they" went to the house with tape & bags?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoever did do this...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Needs to pay!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... they planned it. They planned it because they went to that house with tape and bags. I hope and pray the cops find them before I do!


I remember that. Johnny's dad. Can't recall what it was on (news clip, I guess). I can see why he would say that because finding Johnny & Lisa in that condition, it would seem, would look so DELIBERATE. It's been my feeling all along that this was premeditated murder and I think the perps brought the tape.


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - toledoarea - 02-22-2011

The car being in the drive way or the garage is very important. Tiffany said she drove by after an hour and rang the door bell. Then she states that she then drove back home to see if Johnny/Lisa are at Tiffs house since they were going to pick her up in the first place. Well if she rang the door bell, certainly she would know if Lisa's car was in the drive way. And if Lisa's car is in the drive way, Tiff wouldn't have went back home to see if Johnny/lisa drove to tiff's because Lisa's car is still in the drive way with lights on in the house. Hello?? Tiffany was in on this

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - PURPLECATS - 02-22-2011

(02-22-2011, 03:49 AM)Jane Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 04:44 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 04:39 PM)Duchess Wrote:

The car was in the garage. The detective in charge stated that herself.


THANK YOU!!!
I said that before and some said for sure it was in the driveway
i now the FACT:B

that was me! sorryBlush lol

We need a fact sheet for everything we find that is FACT lol

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - curious - 02-22-2011

(02-22-2011, 03:54 AM)toledoarea Wrote: The car being in the drive way or the garage is very important. Tiffany said she drove by after an hour and rang the door bell. Then she states that she then drove back home to see if Johnny/Lisa are at Tiffs house since they were going to pick her up in the first place. Well if she rang the door bell, certainly she would know if Lisa's car was in the drive way. And if Lisa's car is in the drive way, Tiff wouldn't have went back home to see if Johnny/lisa drove to tiff's because Lisa's car is still in the drive way with lights on in the house. Hello?? Tiffany was in on this

In collaboration with two others to which are all desperately trying to CYA in MPO!!



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 06:16 PM)toledoarea Wrote: Gangs have money. They have computers. Gangs love so show success by showing money guns clothes. Facebook is huge. What better way to flaunt your valuables. cars, money, guns, girls.

never thought of that, hmmm



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - sealed27 - 02-22-2011

And how could the detective say from your post that it didn't appear by the car that they had gone anywhere that evening, then how did LS get home?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 06:56 PM)Adub Wrote: I work with juvenile offenders. Most are affiliated with one gang or another. I feel for the kids I work with. And it took some adjusting on my part to gain their respect. Once that got cleared up, I found many, many of them in need of a fucking break. Someone to listen to them without judgment. I have been doing this for about 5 years now. Some have graduated to adult detention and more than a few of them are locked up for murder Signs_173 and sensless.

This is worth it's own thread.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-22-2011

(02-21-2011, 04:53 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 04:50 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:
(02-21-2011, 04:45 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: ok i got it. again, how is this person connected to this case? we are not going to speculate about everybody on everybody's facebook friends. i need a nexus.

Are you talking about VD or his GF?

mj facebook. i have no idea who vd is.
maybe i have finally lost the plot. hah

hahahahahaa! I was thinking the same thing, while jotting down a couple of initials! I've looked over so many FB pages, where I kept trailing off, from one to another, to where I couldn't remember who I started out with ...

eta - although I know a lot of the initials!