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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 03:26 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Yes, she was indeed composed. I had expected someone so different. A good grasp of the English language?! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - BoogyWoogy - 02-08-2011 You have a great aspect on this story. Thank you for your words, and you are most likely right about alot of it. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Stolly - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 07:13 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: After Johnny's parents forced entry into the home, does anyone believe that the scene was, uhhh . . . sanitized . . . before LE arrived? I never thought about that, that is a good point. The people could have swiped one or two bags, to protect the son's image, and that would be a game changer. I don't think that was the case, and if it was they would have admitted it to authorities as the case continues to grow colder. I, however, believe the exact opposite occurred and the scene was contaminated by a flood of people rushing into the house, some of which might be suspects. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Methusala - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 07:12 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote: [quote='Methusala' pid='125263' dateline='1297204551'] With all due respect, you are grossly exaggerating the critical comments made here. No one is saying JC was "the worst person in the world;" no one has written him off; no one has said or suggested that he deserved to die. JC's lifestyle is relevant to the question of what sort of persons he associated with who might be suspects, and to what the motive for the crime may have been. That's the relevance, plain and simple. His lifestyle is irrelevant to whether he deserved to be tortured and murdered, and I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise. Have I missed a comment saying he deserved to die because of his prison record? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 04:12 PM)WhoDat Wrote: I would like to give my opinion on the bags and tape theory if you don't mind. I do not believe they just happend to find the bags and duct tape in the Straubs home. If these people came into the home to a)teach them a lesson for not paying a debt (one possibility) b) find some drugs or money they think is stashed in the house or C) get confidential information that is in the house (other possibilities I have seen mentioned) they would not be lucky enough to just go right to the bags and duct tape. I mean seriously you would have to look through several drawers and cabinets in my house before you find duct tape if I even have any which I usually dont. I keep duct tape in my shed so these people would have been SOL at my house. They brought the bags and duct tape to the house with intentions on doing this as a premeditated murder. IMO (by the way my husband is a detective and we discussed this last night if that counts for anything) I'm sort of inclined to agree with this. I think the intruders intended to kill them from the inception of their plan. If you intend to kill someone you're going to come with your weapon of choice. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 04:14 PM)InterestingEnough Wrote:(02-08-2011, 03:21 PM)netsleuth Wrote: My stay was short. Here's why. Precisely. And, if one engages in a thread where they encounter a viewpoint they disagree with, the beauty of free speech, as our founders intended, is that one challenges those ideas through debate. I find it ironic that the poster who flounced would cite the first amendment when using the speech of another as their reason for leaving the forum. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - BlueTiki - 02-08-2011 I'd hate to be the retailer with my name on those plastic bags! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - sharit - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 10:58 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: I don't think JC's mother should be laying the blame at Lisa's feet. Look we all pretty much know what was going on there, someone was selling drugs - baggies, scales... Lisa and Johnny were having people coming and going, dropping by playing pool, hanging out, usual young adult stuff when they have a whole house to themselves without the worry of parents popping in, so what happened? I say ask Tiffany not Johnny's mother (even if she knew where the key was, so what? Apparently a lot of people probably knew where that key was, wanna bet? Nobody answered me, but I found it on the transcripts on NG, it was Johnny's father that said: "they planned it. They planned it because they went to that house with tape and bags. I hope and pray the cops find them before I do!" So, the killers brought the plastic bags and duct tape with them! Whoever did this they premeditated what they were going to do. I also heard another version of what Johnny said before he dropped the phone and I believe it was the mother who said it on the Today Show with Meredith Vieira: Johnny's mother said Johnny said something like "Hey bro, what are you doing here, what do you want and then who are you? that tells me he recognized one of the killers, wondered why he was there and who was the "stranger" he brought with him and what did they want? I could be wrong but when I heard the mother say that,, and they always say that "the devil is in the details" ...One of the killers was known to both of them and Tiffany knows who that is, that's what I believe...and they went there to murder this couple and look for some stash of drugs that they believed was there...JMOwell put! i so agree with you. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Methusala - 02-08-2011 Another thing that seems strange to me is the claim that Mother's "intuition" told her that something was wrong. If someone calls you and tells you that TWO HOURS AND TWENTY MINUTES AGO your son was heard shouting that he was encountering unknown persons having intruded into the house, and the informant hasn't been able to reach him since, you don't need "intuition" to know that something terribly wrong may have occurred. Why call this intuition? in·tu·i·tion [in-too-ish-uhn, -tyoo-] –noun 1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension. 2. a fact, truth, etc., perceived in this way. 3. a keen and quick insight. 4. the quality or ability of having such direct perception or quick insight. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - sharit - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 11:07 AM)fabulous Wrote: oh and one more thought....does anyone out there reading this know, or have any idea, as to what the relationship was between the Clarke's and the Straub's ??i would bet there was no relationship.jmo RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - LabRat - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 07:47 PM)Methusala Wrote: Another thing that seems strange to me is the claim that Mother's "intuition" told her that something was wrong. It's intuition because she is a psychic... good way to promote the business RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Brneyegrl - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 07:35 PM)Methusala Wrote:(02-08-2011, 07:12 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote: [quote='Methusala' pid='125263' dateline='1297204551'] I think you are misunderstood you are making it seem as if because he has a record someone like LS should not have anything to do with him. No hard feelings it is a forum right these are just my opinions and its as if some people (not saying you) live in a box this is 2011 the times have changed it is so sad and I wish it was different but true. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 04:23 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i'll be away for a few hours, but want to say nobody with murder in mind goes to a house 'armed' with plastic bags. you can't predict how that will work on 2 struggling victims. LC, I agree that this method of murder is far out but think of the times when cops find stuff like tape, rope, handcuffs, etc, in the cars of killers. Some psychos have unusual preferences. If you got into a fight with someone, while robbing them, wouldn't you reach for something more handy, say, like a lamp cord or a kitchen knife? This taping people up thing, with bags over their heads, sounds like a lot of work and not very spontaneous. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Brneyegrl - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 07:07 PM)jash Wrote: Have been reading with interest all the comments and information going back and forth. I like you, very well said RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - MzFruit - 02-08-2011 When the fuck will we know what happen with the dna and shit....OMG its irritating, ive had to pull myself away from this. Had to discipline myself to not read after 7PM because it keeps me up! damn it! I pray this doesnt turn into a cold case:( RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - sharit - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 01:05 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: and herdamn, LE got her on all that in one night? that was a real bad day for her.lol RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 04:53 PM)WhoDat Wrote: Glad I can help you. I am picturing you as a huge fat ass with a milk jug sitting under your computer desk that you piss in because you do not want to step away from your computer. WTF??? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - BlueTiki - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 07:51 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote: I think you are misunderstood you are making it seem as if because he has a record someone like LS should not have anything to do with him. I believe you are looking for insults where none exist. Examples and rationale were given as why Johnny might be labeled as a "Gangsta". You posed the question. How you arrived at the conclusion that this has become a "Good Girl" v. "Bad Boy" commentary is beyond me. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 04:59 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote:(02-08-2011, 04:30 PM)rotten_cotton Wrote: I have been reading on this forum for a few days now for any insight as to what actually happened that night. I grew up in this neighborhood and my parents still live there. Right around the corner from this house, actually. One thing that has stuck out in my mind is something I heard on the news the morning of the discovery and have been trying to find it somewhere in print. One of Lisa's friends said that Lisa had sent her a Facebook message that night saying that she wanted to see her. Wow, that's very interesting. I wonder if it was the night of the murders or the night before (Sat/Sun or Sun/Mon). RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - sharit - 02-08-2011 (02-08-2011, 01:16 PM)Love Hippos Wrote: The JVM transcript (thanks Methusala for posting) states Johnny's mother told her husband, "You're going back through this house" once the cops leave. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but it implies they already had been in the home.cops are not going to kick the door in with out cause, correct me if im wrong. they probably wouldnt let them either. so when they left, they kicked it in. jmo |