(03-05-2011, 04:48 PM)Methusala Wrote: Just a reminder - the murders did not occur within the City of Toledo. The Mayor has no jurisdiction over the County Sheriff, who is handling the investigation because it occurred outside the City.

Thank you for that, I really hadn't taken that into consideration.

(03-05-2011, 12:39 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: So, like someone said about Cops, there are good, there are bad, and there are the ugly, and then there are a few, like the ones I met while searching for my sister, who will give of themselves when everybody else had turned away or has fallen by the wayside or flat out just didn't care, and it is those few who are truly remarkable with what they do for someone they never even knew, and for no other reason than because it was their job, wow!

(03-05-2011, 01:28 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 01:24 PM)JsMom Wrote: My point was I understand how she feels about the lose of a child not just someone dear to me! I know its not about me and Im glad it isnt! Thanks tho I will NEVER mention my sons death again!

You mention whatever the fuck you want to, JsMom.

(03-05-2011, 12:58 PM)Adub Wrote: I read that Ohio just passed the law allowing DNA on arrest for a felony but that they do not have the funding in place. So new law not yet happening. But if the guilty party has already been convicted of a felony, Toledo is good to go.

In CA, DNA is taken after an arrest for a felony. And I always thought it was way messed up. Based solely on the fact that even the arrested are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Someone close to me was arrested on a BOGUS charge of cultivation (felony) (w/ a $75,000 bail posted by me) and the DA never filed charges. But yet DNA was taken. And I was out a couple of thousand bucks that went to Alladin.

But then I read in the news that this asswipe was arrested and charged with a horrendous murder all because of a DNA match made after an arrest for an unrelated felony.

http://crimevoice.com/dna-match-may-have-cracked-yearlong-mystery-in-ventura-triple-murder-3411/

They got the bastard and he will be held accountable.

So if someone close to me gets the DNA swab in a messed up situation, so be it. Stop getting yourself in messed-up situations.

(03-05-2011, 02:42 PM)DickTracy Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:36 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Here is the Mayor's email addy...Michael P. Bell

[email protected]

I have emailed both Mayor Bell & the Sheriff's Dept. Thank you for the suggestion and the email addy.

(03-05-2011, 03:04 PM)pspence Wrote: Hi Everyone. I've gone cross country to Kansas to visit my daughter who is beautiful and lives on her own. It's in the inter-city - cool and swanky their share of break-ins, etc. Johnny & Lisa tragedy have influenced all of us in such a profound way...we've got alarms on all the windows, motion lights, etc....so scary the "sick-o, psychopaths, tortuous, monsters out there and what their capable of"...

Yeah, Maytee deserves a pass -

I think along with everyone and everything and every theory we've discussed...I'm about at the point that I'm convinced that:

Maytee KNEW that he had been "doing business with some pretty heavy duty dudes" who were beyond dangerous - would slice someone up and think they deserved it for f*&%ing with them...the psychos thought "they deserved it - they should have known better than to f#@$with us" ,,,,(i.e. fronted drugs and didn't pay back, snitched, bad drug deal (killers bought the drugs and it was not pure, etc.)

It was none of Tiffany's group. My brother and his friends when in H.S. did heroin for a short time...they of course knew the "dealers"...they actually "liked" them...they were funny, sold it to be able to "use it free", etc....not the cream of socity mind you but people that could shower, go to a wedding of your bosses and they'd be okay...like Tiffany and her group...had a couple of brushes with the law, but basically were in the "style" of their culture , etc....then there were...

the ones that killed Lisa and Johnny. Blood thirsty sick-os in a drug cartel - some serious BIG TIME shit. Cut your throat as to look at you - don't pass off some bad shit to me - big amounts of $$$....kids way over their heads...

And the dumb ass cop that said that to the press knew that ....he didn't explain it properly.

(03-05-2011, 03:06 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: Is TW's facebook page public? i can't find the link anymore. My niece lives not to far from here and I tried to ask her about this and she shut down on me. She doesn't hang with too good of characters. I've been looking at her page and she has someone on it that recently created a facebook page in february that i'm almost positive i saw before on someone else's page that isn't there now. these are all blurring together.

(03-05-2011, 03:13 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 03:09 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i'm not sure about Tiffany's facebook page, maybe someone else knows.

autopsy reports may not come out in their entirety until trial. they may contain information only the killers know, and are evidence.

Wouldnt it be easier for LE to release whom the DNA belongs to so everyone around the USA can be looking for the KILLER(S)? I would think it would help more then hurt! just wondering...

(03-05-2011, 05:26 PM)Methusala Wrote: Just a note about DNA. The latest statistics reflect that approximately 40%of births in the US occur outside of marriage. In almost all births outside of marriage, the assistance of the law is sought to either obtain government assistance to cover the costs of birthing expenses and living expenses and/or child support.

All such cases where government assistance by support or legal process is sought now require the taking of DNA from the mother, the child and the reputed father, even when the latter admits paternity (he sometimes turns out to be wrong!) and when more than one man is named, all the men are joined and required to submit to DNA. Usually by a simple buckle swab to the inside of the cheek.

Therefore, the DNA bank is growing larger by the day, and will soon likely include at least one person in the familial line for each member of the population.

In addition, if you have ever had any blood or tissue sample sent to a laboratory, a significant percentage are retained under slide. Which is just good medical practice, especially for example to follow the progress of so-called pre-cancer cells.

I do not consider any of this to be a so-called "invasion of privacy" simply because in each instance there is a triggering event which constitutes a legitimate waiver of the privilege, and it is leading and will continue to lead to many societal benefits, including the solving of cold case crimes, more convictions of persons rightfully accused of crime, more rapid convictions, less "pleading down" because of evidentiary problems, more innocent people being released from prisons or exonerated quicker in new cases, etc.

Thanks to DNA, many murderers now plead to first degree murder charges just to avoid the death penalty, in cases where the DA previously was willing to accept a plea to 2^nd degree or even manslaughter.

I am not connected with law enforcement and never have been. But I have a healthy interest in society and the laws.