(03-05-2011, 11:01 PM)rotten_cotton Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 06:17 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 03:49 PM)WolfHouse Wrote: Yesterday here someone mentioned that the Straubs were taking
furniture out of their house. Does that mean they were moving
out or just removing things that could have been damaged in
the scuffle and ransacking? Anyone know the exact story?

Have the Straubs been staying in the house all along? I have seen both postings. Someone early on indicated the Straubs were staying at the house because that's where Lisa spent the end of her life but I think someone recently posted that the Straubs had NOT been living in the house. I can see both sides of the coin. My biggest concern with a killer(s) on the loose and someone, anyone, living in the house is that the killers may decide that they missed the safe on the first go round and need to take a second look.

like i said, it was neighborhood talk. i have not been in the neighborhood for over a month now but will be there on monday. i will see what the latest gossip is and have a full report

(03-05-2011, 06:08 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 03:06 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: Is TW's facebook page public? i can't find the link anymore. My niece lives not to far from here and I tried to ask her about this and she shut down on me. She doesn't hang with too good of characters. I've been looking at her page and she has someone on it that recently created a facebook page in february that i'm almost positive i saw before on someone else's page that isn't there now. these are all blurring together.

Why do you feel your niece shut down on you? Did she offer any insight at all? Does she know TW? Did she by chance know Johnny or Lisa?

If no one knows about TW's facebook being public or private, if you'll email me the link to it I'll check it out and let you know.

(03-05-2011, 10:26 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 08:39 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 08:17 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 07:32 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Actually, no, I wasn't thinking that about you. I had other reasons for saying that to WH.
If I thought that of you, I would have told you.

Many of us are in agreement with Wolfhouse, and I just felt that he/she was unfairly attacked.

I thought WH worded their response very nicely and was undeserving of the responses that followed. Many of the responses misinterpreted what WH was trying to say and that was unfair to Wolfhouse (IMO).

I have enjoyed reading your insights and following this forum with you. I am not trying to cause a rift with you, so please don't take it the wrong way. I feel things very strongly and speak my mind openly when I feel so compelled. As do others, that is why we are all so passionate about this case!

We are becoming frustrated with the lack of info, and emotions are running high!! Overall, I think us mockers get along pretty well!!

STOP focusing on me and focus on the case at hand! Its not about me, Its about Johnny and Lisa! THANK YOU

JsMom, sorry to disappoint, but this was NOT ABOUT YOU. Please reread and notice that you are NOT the focus!!!!

(03-05-2011, 11:10 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 06:08 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 03:06 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: Is TW's facebook page public? i can't find the link anymore. My niece lives not to far from here and I tried to ask her about this and she shut down on me. She doesn't hang with too good of characters. I've been looking at her page and she has someone on it that recently created a facebook page in february that i'm almost positive i saw before on someone else's page that isn't there now. these are all blurring together.

Why do you feel your niece shut down on you? Did she offer any insight at all? Does she know TW? Did she by chance know Johnny or Lisa?

If no one knows about TW's facebook being public or private, if you'll email me the link to it I'll check it out and let you know.

She knows two people with the name tw that have children that both reside in the toledo area. When i asked her information about the case she wouldn't answer any of my questions and stopped talking to me. One of the TW profiles that is on my niece's page was just created in february which i FIND very odd this person also don't spell words with c and a k together just like a lot of the people that we are finding on the facebook pages. I know some of the people have started new facebook pages and was wondering if TW started a new facebook page or not. Did TW go into police custody at all since the murders? I don't want to jump to conclusions but i swore i saw this same girl on someone else's page but now i can't find the link.

(03-05-2011, 07:07 PM)Methusala Wrote: Allow me to draw a finer point on our perceived differences of opinion, SS:

I agree that what Texas did was highly improper....

(03-05-2011, 11:27 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 07:07 PM)Methusala Wrote: Allow me to draw a finer point on our perceived differences of opinion, SS:

I agree that what Texas did was highly improper....

I'm back and after a hot bath, AND a hot shower, I'm almost too relaxed to write a post that requires deep thought. I promised an answer, though, and I shall address this.

But, if a woman asks the state to provide her with the costs of hospitalization and delivery of her child and/or support by the state; if a man or woman asks the courts of the state to establish paternity and enforce rights to child support or custody or parental access and time-sharing …

are you saying that in those circumstances a state does not have the right to require that, in return for the individual invoking the powers of the state and its courts, the state may have on the books a law requiring the furnishing of DNA by the parties affected by its actions?

The state can and will do anything it can get away with, as the nature of power is to perpetuate itself, ALWAYS, and the founders warned about this. It is our job to keep things in check and we have failed, in most respects.

The question that you pose is a very important one because it goes right to the heart of the very foundations of this country. When an individual gives up personal responsibility and power to another authority, liberty is lost. Should it be? No. Is it in keeping with the Constitution and the sovereignty of the individual? No. In the situation that you have laid out the individual becomes subservient to the state. That's a socialist concept and philosophy and it has to be challenged if we are to save ourselves from tyranny.

Here's the rub: Most people are so ignorant that they wouldn't know Thomas Jefferson from a hole in the wall. They do not understand their rights, the assaults on those rights, the dangers in giving up personal liberty and, as a result, they would never question what's being traded for favors from the state. This reminds me of the Miranda issue where people have to be informed of what their rights are. Even then you can tell them and they have no idea of the philosophy and principals that established that they have those unalienable rights, endowed by the Creator. Even worse, after the ignorant, who CAN be educated, there's a significant percentage that are just flat out stupid. Many of those get state "benefits" (i.e., PRIVILEGES in exchange for rights). No class of American is immune to this ignorance, and that applies to state employees, lawyers, judges and politicians, as well. We're a dumbed down nation. It was just a small minority of dedicated people that pulled off the American revolution and led the masses to freedom. It's no different, now.

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.

~ Samuel Adams

Mr. Adams was talking about liberty.

Socialism - the taking from to give to another - is contrary to our Constitution. It's in full swing, though, and I completely oppose the idea that anyone who has been led down that primrose path, without understanding the pitfalls, should lose their birthright of personal liberty. I know that it happens but that doesn't mean that it can't be turned around. When FDR created the New Deal and the welfare state, followed by LBJ and the Great Society, people received state assistance without some of the intrusions we see now, so why should we should allow things to get worse? We need to turn this ship around, not continue down the Orwellian road we're on. Before DNA, people got welfare. Until the welfare is undone, I don't see why anyone should be treated like their state property.

What is more personal than the very blueprint of YOU? The implications of institutions taking and storing DNA are immense. When someone takes it, how can you trust what will be done with it? If we're talking about something beyond a criminal data base, what's the purpose? Will states give it to universities who will, in turn, get patents with pharmaceutical companies - with the owner of that DNA is unaware and not compensated for the "sale"? Will it go the to the Human Genome Project? If so, what for? How about the Department of Defense to make gene specific bio weapons? Perhaps big pharma will use it to create vaccines that are harmful to a certain segment of the population that another class might like to see reduced or culled. Maybe someone would like to sell your DNA to employers, like credit reports. It won't be long (if it hasn't already happened) before the dissident gene is isolated. What happens then - a little visit to the state headshrinkers for some "medication" (just like the USSR with better technology)? There are a million possibilities of how this could be (and is) abused. History, especially American history, should teach us to expect the absolute worse where government is concerned. Under no circumstances should anyone give up something so personal without being fully informed and aware of any potential consequences.


As for being a "collectivist" the whole point of people getting together and creating states and other forms of government is for the purpose of leveraging the power of the people, so as to protect people and obtain the strength found in numbers. IMHO that's why we have constitutions which define the powers of the state and reserve all other powers to the people.

The people have all the rights not granted to the state, and the state is to exercise the will of the people.

Absent granting some collective powers to a state created by the people, one has anarchy. You're not an anarchist, are you?

I didn't think so.




It's not Feds>States>People

It's People>States>Feds

Rights lie with the People and powers are delegated to the States and the Federal government. The will of any collective does not usurp the rights of the individual. Whenever that happens it's abuse of power. Let it go on long enough and it will take a violent revolution to reclaim what we've lost.

Am I an anarchist? Maybe. Define anarchist. Serioulsy, I don't know. There are many forms of anarchism. Just go to the Ron Paul Forums and ask! There's a bunch of them, there. I would be THRILLED to see our country return to the Constitution. If there is going to be government, it's the best model (besides something like the Iroquois Nations). I want to see the day when Americans, who don't do harm to their neighbors, can live in anonymity if they so choose. I don't want government up my ass or in my business. Anything less is not freedom.


Now, with that, I expect Lady Cop is gonna tase me for SERIOUS thread drift. In my defense I will say that there is NOTHING going on with this case so drift is inevitable (for me, lol).

(03-05-2011, 11:26 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 11:10 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 06:08 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 03:06 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: Is TW's facebook page public? i can't find the link anymore. My niece lives not to far from here and I tried to ask her about this and she shut down on me. She doesn't hang with too good of characters. I've been looking at her page and she has someone on it that recently created a facebook page in february that i'm almost positive i saw before on someone else's page that isn't there now. these are all blurring together.

Why do you feel your niece shut down on you? Did she offer any insight at all? Does she know TW? Did she by chance know Johnny or Lisa?

If no one knows about TW's facebook being public or private, if you'll email me the link to it I'll check it out and let you know.

She knows two people with the name tw that have children that both reside in the toledo area. When i asked her information about the case she wouldn't answer any of my questions and stopped talking to me. One of the TW profiles that is on my niece's page was just created in february which i FIND very odd this person also don't spell words with c and a k together just like a lot of the people that we are finding on the facebook pages. I know some of the people have started new facebook pages and was wondering if TW started a new facebook page or not. Did TW go into police custody at all since the murders? I don't want to jump to conclusions but i swore i saw this same girl on someone else's page but now i can't find the link.

Im not 100% positive but I am almost 90%. She didnt go into police custody but AP did for others reasons!

(03-05-2011, 06:31 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 06:11 AM)van64 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 05:58 AM)shitstorm Wrote: Why would she be buried in a wedding dress? Was she murdered at her wedding?

She was engaged to be married when she was killed. She and her mother were really into the excitement and planning of the wedding so her mother bought a wedding dress to bury her in.

Wow it doesn't get any sadder than that. Was it a sex crime? Random act?

(03-05-2011, 11:35 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 11:26 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 11:10 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 06:08 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 03:06 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: Is TW's facebook page public? i can't find the link anymore. My niece lives not to far from here and I tried to ask her about this and she shut down on me. She doesn't hang with too good of characters. I've been looking at her page and she has someone on it that recently created a facebook page in february that i'm almost positive i saw before on someone else's page that isn't there now. these are all blurring together.

Why do you feel your niece shut down on you? Did she offer any insight at all? Does she know TW? Did she by chance know Johnny or Lisa?

If no one knows about TW's facebook being public or private, if you'll email me the link to it I'll check it out and let you know.

She knows two people with the name tw that have children that both reside in the toledo area. When i asked her information about the case she wouldn't answer any of my questions and stopped talking to me. One of the TW profiles that is on my niece's page was just created in february which i FIND very odd this person also don't spell words with c and a k together just like a lot of the people that we are finding on the facebook pages. I know some of the people have started new facebook pages and was wondering if TW started a new facebook page or not. Did TW go into police custody at all since the murders? I don't want to jump to conclusions but i swore i saw this same girl on someone else's page but now i can't find the link.

Im not 100% positive but I am almost 90%. She didnt go into police custody but AP did for others reasons!

thank you for answering even though you are unsure. i am curious if she did go in even if it wasn't for this. even if it was unrelated, do we know if tw had a criminal history? sounds funny asking that...

(03-05-2011, 01:40 AM)Sincere Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 01:38 AM)eye.of.my Wrote: UGH!! WILL SOMEONE JUST TELL US SOMETHING ALLREADY ITS KILLING ME!!! STREET TALK IS THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THE OWNERS OF THE DNA LE SAYS NOTHING...PURE TORTURE

They could be looking for the owners of the DNA forever , if they don't already have a DNA match on file . Am I correct here ????

(03-05-2011, 11:47 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 01:40 AM)Sincere Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 01:38 AM)eye.of.my Wrote: UGH!! WILL SOMEONE JUST TELL US SOMETHING ALLREADY ITS KILLING ME!!! STREET TALK IS THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THE OWNERS OF THE DNA LE SAYS NOTHING...PURE TORTURE

They could be looking for the owners of the DNA forever , if they don't already have a DNA match on file . Am I correct here ????

the great thing about DNA is that it can be stored and matched to someone at any time... you know the people that did this are not gonna stay clean forever. They will be caught for something or another eventually and will have to submit DNA, and then will be matched!! the bad thing is it can take years and years :( seen many stories of cold cases getting solved years later with DNA.. but damn I would hate to see this case go cold. We all want this solved NOW!!!

I'm dying to know the story. it's driving me nuts!!

(03-05-2011, 12:38 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Back to the "what happens after this case is solved?"

It makes me sad to think of not talking to you all on here everyday :(

I'm an insanely busy person, but getting on here with people who have intelligent and insightful things to say, makes it worth my time.

I guess I will find another thread on Mock after the fact (no time right now).

(03-05-2011, 11:34 PM)van64 Wrote: I worship at your feet.

(03-05-2011, 11:44 PM)AriGold Wrote: It's not Feds>States>People

It's People>States>Feds

(03-06-2011, 12:17 AM)WolfHouse Wrote: This is very interesting. The East Coast Rapist was identified by DNA...
but look how they got it. So we do not have to worry about any cheek
swabs....

After a DNA hit from a discarded cigarette identified Thomas as the East Coast Rapist Friday morning, detectives from New Haven and Virginia secured arrest warrants, authorities said.

(03-06-2011, 12:17 AM)WolfHouse Wrote: This is very interesting. The East Coast Rapist was identified by DNA...
but look how they got it. So we do not have to worry about any cheek
swabs....

From the newspaper....
"After a DNA hit from a discarded cigarette identified Thomas as the East Coast Rapist Friday morning, detectives from New Haven and Virginia secured arrest warrants, authorities said."

(They were following him and when he tossed a cigarette on the ground,
they retrieved it and Walla!....one less perv on the loose.)