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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:32 PM)JsMom Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:30 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:24 PM)JsMom Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:11 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Maybe Dateline, 48 Hours, or 20⁄20 would be interested in doing a story. They seem to be interested in finding out what happens in a crime when LE seems to be doing nothing. They may also be able to address the fact that LE basically blamed the murders on the victims which is completely horrible. I've thought about writing them. Maybe more of us should.

Sounds good! U got the web address? Anything is worth a try!

I just emailed Dateline - [email protected] - I would like to include some links to stories that we have had come out in the area but I'm not that computer savvy.

Alls u have to do is copy/paste the link! Smiley_emoticons_smile

You will have to look for it in the threads of MOCK, but LC has placed most of the article links in a separate section. They are very easy to find once you have the thread.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - AriGold - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 11:22 AM)Jane Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:42 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: That's so sad that her hair was covering her neck :( There was obviously a reason for that. visible injuries to the neck. Did they mention of the "injuries to the neck" were on Lisa only or both?

both had injuries to their necks..

as much as I didn't want to, i went back and looked at Johnny's picture from his open casket. His entire neck is covered by this clothing.. buttoned all the way up under his chin. I wonder how bad the injuries were to the neck :( they most certainly were strangled before the bags were put over their heads.....Signs_173

That had to take a strong person or multiple people. Johnny was a big guy; I can't imagine it being easy to strangle him. Gun or no gun -- your natural reflex and instinct would cause you to fight back.

"Fight or flight."

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Miss Conspiracy - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:32 PM)van64 Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 11:22 AM)Jane Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:42 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: That's so sad that her hair was covering her neck :( There was obviously a reason for that. visible injuries to the neck. Did they mention of the "injuries to the neck" were on Lisa only or both?

both had injuries to their necks..

as much as I didn't want to, i went back and looked at Johnny's picture from his open casket. His entire neck is covered by this clothing.. buttoned all the way up under his chin. I wonder how bad the injuries were to the neck :( they most certainly were strangled before the bags were put over their heads.....Signs_173

You know, I was reading this thread when Johnny's pictures of him in his casket were drawing gasps of horror from some of the readers, but my family has always done that--taken pictures of family members in their caskets. We have pictures going back several generations and I am so glad family members have done that and have carried on the tradition. When my cousin was killed in a tragic auto accident a year and a half ago, his mom asked me to take a few dozen pictures of him in his casket. I did and am glad that we have them. It's sort of like a last rite sort of thing and in its own way, is comforting.

Johnny doesn't look entirely natural in his casket (but who would, especially under these circumstances) but did you notice how thick and rich his eyebrows are? Just beautiful eyebrows and lashes. He was an extraordinarily handsome young man and Lisa was just gorgeous. What a beautiful pair of bookends!

I had never heard of that tradition and I remember reading somewhere on this thread where someone talked about how it is common in latin culture. I'm latin and have never heard of it! But, also, I have been very fortunate in my life and have never attended a single funeral in all my life (I'm 29). I have not had the experience of seeing anyone I love in an open casket.. I fear that day and God willing won't be for a very very long time when someone dies of natural causes at a very old age!!!!

Anyways, that is exactly what I noticed too right away is how thick his hair was..eyebrows and eyelashes. It's so sad to see him there with no life, just the shell of who he was but I could tell he was a very fine handsome man with lashes to envy. Lisa was super cute too with her long hair and freckles. it's so very heartbreaking

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - JsMom - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:38 PM)AriGold Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 11:22 AM)Jane Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:42 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: That's so sad that her hair was covering her neck :( There was obviously a reason for that. visible injuries to the neck. Did they mention of the "injuries to the neck" were on Lisa only or both?

both had injuries to their necks..

as much as I didn't want to, i went back and looked at Johnny's picture from his open casket. His entire neck is covered by this clothing.. buttoned all the way up under his chin. I wonder how bad the injuries were to the neck :( they most certainly were strangled before the bags were put over their heads.....Signs_173

That had to take a strong person or multiple people. Johnny was a big guy; I can't imagine it being easy to strangle him. Gun or no gun -- your natural reflex and instinct would cause you to fight back.

"Fight or flight."
I agree! All along I said it had to be more then one person! jmo

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Methusala - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:32 AM)notsure Wrote:
(03-05-2011, 11:27 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
(03-05-2011, 07:07 PM)Methusala Wrote: Allow me to draw a finer point on our perceived differences of opinion, SS:

I agree that what Texas did was highly improper....

I'm back and after a hot bath, AND a hot shower, I'm almost too relaxed to write a post that requires deep thought. hah I promised an answer, though, and I shall address this.

But, if a woman asks the state to provide her with the costs of hospitalization and delivery of her child and/or support by the state; if a man or woman asks the courts of the state to establish paternity and enforce rights to child support or custody or parental access and time-sharing …

are you saying that in those circumstances a state does not have the right to require that, in return for the individual invoking the powers of the state and its courts, the state may have on the books a law requiring the furnishing of DNA by the parties affected by its actions?

The state can and will do anything it can get away with, as the nature of power is to perpetuate itself, ALWAYS, and the founders warned about this. It is our job to keep things in check and we have failed, in most respects.

The question that you pose is a very important one because it goes right to the heart of the very foundations of this country. When an individual gives up personal responsibility and power to another authority, liberty is lost. Should it be? No. Is it in keeping with the Constitution and the sovereignty of the individual? No. In the situation that you have laid out the individual becomes subservient to the state. That's a socialist concept and philosophy and it has to be challenged if we are to save ourselves from tyranny.

Here's the rub: Most people are so ignorant that they wouldn't know Thomas Jefferson from a hole in the wall. They do not understand their rights, the assaults on those rights, the dangers in giving up personal liberty and, as a result, they would never question what's being traded for favors from the state. This reminds me of the Miranda issue where people have to be informed of what their rights are. Even then you can tell them and they have no idea of the philosophy and principals that established that they have those unalienable rights, endowed by the Creator. Even worse, after the ignorant, who CAN be educated, there's a significant percentage that are just flat out stupid. Many of those get state "benefits" (i.e., PRIVILEGES in exchange for rights). No class of American is immune to this ignorance, and that applies to state employees, lawyers, judges and politicians, as well. We're a dumbed down nation. It was just a small minority of dedicated people that pulled off the American revolution and led the masses to freedom. It's no different, now.

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.

~ Samuel Adams

Mr. Adams was talking about liberty.

Socialism - the taking from to give to another - is contrary to our Constitution. It's in full swing, though, and I completely oppose the idea that anyone who has been led down that primrose path, without understanding the pitfalls, should lose their birthright of personal liberty. I know that it happens but that doesn't mean that it can't be turned around. When FDR created the New Deal and the welfare state, followed by LBJ and the Great Society, people received state assistance without some of the intrusions we see now, so why should we should allow things to get worse? We need to turn this ship around, not continue down the Orwellian road we're on. Before DNA, people got welfare. Until the welfare is undone, I don't see why anyone should be treated like their state property.

What is more personal than the very blueprint of YOU? The implications of institutions taking and storing DNA are immense. …


As for being a "collectivist" the whole point of people getting together and creating states and other forms of government is for the purpose of leveraging the power of the people, so as to protect people and obtain the strength found in numbers. IMHO that's why we have constitutions which define the powers of the state and reserve all other powers to the people.

…




It's not Feds>States>People

It's People>States>Feds

Rights lie with the People and powers are delegated to the States and the Federal government. The will of any collective does not usurp the rights of the individual. Whenever that happens it's abuse of power. Let it go on long enough and it will take a violent revolution to reclaim what we've lost.

Am I an anarchist? Maybe. Define anarchist. hah Serioulsy, I don't know. There are many forms of anarchism. Just go to the Ron Paul Forums and ask! There's a bunch of them, there. I would be THRILLED to see our country return to the Constitution. If there is going to be government, it's the best model (besides something like the Iroquois Nations). I want to see the day when Americans, who don't do harm to their neighbors, can live in anonymity if they so choose. I don't want government up my ass or in my business. Anything less is not freedom.


Now, with that, I expect Lady Cop is gonna tase me for SERIOUS thread drift. In my defense I will say that there is NOTHING going on with this case so drift is inevitable (for me, lol).

you should probably limit those bath/ showers.hahStarwars (yea that starwars smiley doesn't apply but I just found it and thought it was cool)

While you took a hot bath, I had a nice hot shower.
And a good thing, too.
Because it looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree.

I am amazed by this malarkey now in vogue, about us living under myriad laws which have to be reversed because they violate the Constitution.

Just because some people dress up and run around wearing colonial clothing doesn't mean they know anything about how the Constitution has been interpreted and applied over the years to test each and every law which has been passed.

Since Marbury v. Madison, it has been held that the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of whether or not laws which have been passed are in conflict with the Constitution, and they have done their job. That's what they do. People have been taking their complaints to the Supreme Court, about whether or not laws are Constitutional ever since. In addition, if you think a law violates your rights under the first ten amendments, the Bill of Rights, and cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you, as ruled in the Gideon case.

Just because some unemployed plumber here in Toledo yells "Socialist" after reading one book he found in his attic doesn't mean that he knows what he's talking about. Along with individual freedoms, the constitutional expressly states that it was written to, among other things, provide for the common welfare. These people in their pseudo-colonial uniforms are like a group of Rip Van Winkles who seemingly have just woken up, missed reading about all the cases taken to the Supreme Court over hundreds of years, which have tested and determined which laws are constitutional and which are not, and are running around yelling "Save the Constitution" like a bunch of ninnies, IMHO.

They are the "sheeple" to which you have alluded elsewhere.

We have good laws and we have bad laws, but we don't have unconstitutional laws. This is a myth.

Nevertheless, I respect their right to think otherwise. They are free to take all these cases back to the Supreme Court all over again. Let them.

As for the laws which now require people who seek the help of the courts to provide evidence (DNA) in support of their paternity cases, there is nothing new in the concept that states and courts can require parties to prove their cases, based upon the current state of scientific knowledge. There is a case for that too:

"Just when a scientific principle or discovery crosses the line between the experimental and demonstrable stages is difficult to define. Somewhere in this twilight zone the evidential force of the principle must be recognized, and while courts will go a long way in admitting expert testimony deduced from a well-recognized scientific principle or discovery, the thing from which the deduction is made must be sufficiently established to have gained general acceptance in the particular field in which it belongs." Frye v. United States."

By the way, I don't mean to imply that you, ShitStorm, are one of those unthinking ninnies. It is obvious that you have done a lot of thinking about this subject and I admire the extent of your reasoning and argument. I just think that you are making a mistake buying into the notion advanced by that group.


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - AriGold - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:31 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:11 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Maybe Dateline, 48 Hours, or 20⁄20 would be interested in doing a story. They seem to be interested in finding out what happens in a crime when LE seems to be doing nothing. They may also be able to address the fact that LE basically blamed the murders on the victims which is completely horrible. I've thought about writing them. Maybe more of us should.

YES that would be AWESOME if one of those could do a story on this. But I wonder how many people involved would they be able to get to talk? Maytee for sure. Maybe Lisa's uncle. But I doubt anyone of our lovely cast of suspicious characters would be willing to talk.. I can't imagine TF, AG, Mr. Z.. etc going on air. Would be similar to "snitching"

+1

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - My3littlepiggies - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:41 PM)AriGold Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:31 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:11 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Maybe Dateline, 48 Hours, or 20⁄20 would be interested in doing a story. They seem to be interested in finding out what happens in a crime when LE seems to be doing nothing. They may also be able to address the fact that LE basically blamed the murders on the victims which is completely horrible. I've thought about writing them. Maybe more of us should.

YES that would be AWESOME if one of those could do a story on this. But I wonder how many people involved would they be able to get to talk? Maytee for sure. Maybe Lisa's uncle. But I doubt anyone of our lovely cast of suspicious characters would be willing to talk.. I can't imagine TF, AG, Mr. Z.. etc going on air. Would be similar to "snitching"

+1

I believe that Maytee would love the chance to gets this case more media attention so that it can be solved and she can have peace. I also talked to a family member of mine who was very close to TW and he says that she is just not the kind of person who is capable of something like this or being involved in something like this. I feel like she is also traumatized by EVERYTHING that has happened to her in the past year. Losing the father of her child and then being the last one to talk to these two. She may also be scared of what might happen to her. But I feel like she also wants whoever did this caught and would talk to media about it.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:38 PM)AriGold Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 11:22 AM)Jane Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:42 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: That's so sad that her hair was covering her neck :( There was obviously a reason for that. visible injuries to the neck. Did they mention of the "injuries to the neck" were on Lisa only or both?

both had injuries to their necks..

as much as I didn't want to, i went back and looked at Johnny's picture from his open casket. His entire neck is covered by this clothing.. buttoned all the way up under his chin. I wonder how bad the injuries were to the neck :( they most certainly were strangled before the bags were put over their heads.....Signs_173

That had to take a strong person or multiple people. Johnny was a big guy; I can't imagine it being easy to strangle him. Gun or no gun -- your natural reflex and instinct would cause you to fight back.

"Fight or flight."
Exactly. You can see his strength in the pictures of him without his shirt. He looks very tall (6 feet plus) and exceptionally muscled. It's obvious he works out. I'm sure subduing him didn't go down easy. The only thing I can think of is the perps held a gun on the two of them, promising them they would not be harmed if they cooperated and the two of them subsequently allowed themselves to be tied up...thinking, hoping, even praying that the perps would keep their word. Then something went wrong, horribly horribly wrong, or the perps did what they knew they were going to do anyway and they killed both of them by placing the plastic bags over their heads and securing the bags with duct tape. That's the only explanation I can think of whereby there wouldn't have been much of a struggle AT THE TIME THE PLASTIC BAGS were going over their heads. Someone described the crime scene as being very bloody and I'm guessing Johnny grabbed a knife and tried to give as good as he got.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 11:22 AM)Jane Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:42 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: That's so sad that her hair was covering her neck :( There was obviously a reason for that. visible injuries to the neck. Did they mention of the "injuries to the neck" were on Lisa only or both?
both had injuries to their necks..
as much as I didn't want to, i went back and looked at Johnny's picture from his open casket. His entire neck is covered by this clothing.. buttoned all the way up under his chin. I wonder how bad the injuries were to the neck :( they most certainly were strangled before the bags were put over their heads.....Signs_173

Did anyone notice that there seemed to be a band around Johnny's forehead, sort of a depression? Is that natural after death??



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:53 PM)van64 Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:38 PM)AriGold Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 11:22 AM)Jane Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:42 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: That's so sad that her hair was covering her neck :( There was obviously a reason for that. visible injuries to the neck. Did they mention of the "injuries to the neck" were on Lisa only or both?
both had injuries to their necks..
as much as I didn't want to, i went back and looked at Johnny's picture from his open casket. His entire neck is covered by this clothing.. buttoned all the way up under his chin. I wonder how bad the injuries were to the neck :( they most certainly were strangled before the bags were put over their heads.....Signs_173
That had to take a strong person or multiple people. Johnny was a big guy; I can't imagine it being easy to strangle him. Gun or no gun -- your natural reflex and instinct would cause you to fight back.

"Fight or flight."
Exactly. You can see his strength in the pictures of him without his shirt. He looks very tall (6 feet plus) and exceptionally muscled. It's obvious he works out. I'm sure subduing him didn't go down easy. The only thing I can think of is the perps held a gun on the two of them, promising them they would not be harmed if they cooperated and the two of them subsequently allowed themselves to be tied up...thinking, hoping, even praying that the perps would keep their word. Then something went wrong, horribly horribly wrong, or the perps did what they knew they were going to do anyway and they killed both of them by placing the plastic bags over their heads and securing the bags with duct tape. That's the only explanation I can think of whereby there wouldn't have been much of a struggle AT THE TIME THE PLASTIC BAGS were going over their heads. Someone described the crime scene as being very bloody and I'm guessing Johnny grabbed a knife and tried to give as good as he got.

I would think they used something to make JC comply....sometimes when I have seen murders that perpetrated the most horrid crimes, I've wondered how the hell did they get these people to comply?? Usually there is a gun involved or a knife to someone's throat that they loved...they had some kind of leverage that's for sure!


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:21 PM)Snoopy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 11:57 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: On RIP Johnny:

SGP: "We've tried to correct their lies and accusations on those pages only to get deleted. I personally have been deleted from all of them. I have NEVER made one vulgar or profane remark but only corrected the truth and yet my comments are deleted because those people feed off negativity. They get some sort of thrill off of doing this."
Is she just hitting "preview post"- and not "reply post" because this might explain the trouble she is having. That classifies as a Pebkac error! Smiley_emoticons_shocked

What is a Pebkac error?


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Miss Conspiracy - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:51 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:41 PM)AriGold Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:31 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:11 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Maybe Dateline, 48 Hours, or 20⁄20 would be interested in doing a story. They seem to be interested in finding out what happens in a crime when LE seems to be doing nothing. They may also be able to address the fact that LE basically blamed the murders on the victims which is completely horrible. I've thought about writing them. Maybe more of us should.

YES that would be AWESOME if one of those could do a story on this. But I wonder how many people involved would they be able to get to talk? Maytee for sure. Maybe Lisa's uncle. But I doubt anyone of our lovely cast of suspicious characters would be willing to talk.. I can't imagine TF, AG, Mr. Z.. etc going on air. Would be similar to "snitching"

+1

I believe that Maytee would love the chance to gets this case more media attention so that it can be solved and she can have peace. I also talked to a family member of mine who was very close to TW and he says that she is just not the kind of person who is capable of something like this or being involved in something like this. I feel like she is also traumatized by EVERYTHING that has happened to her in the past year. Losing the father of her child and then being the last one to talk to these two. She may also be scared of what might happen to her. But I feel like she also wants whoever did this caught and would talk to media about it.

if TW is scared of what might happen to her, then she is NOT going to go on national television to talk about what she may or may not know. No chance.


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-06-2011


You know, I was reading this thread when Johnny's pictures of him in his casket were drawing gasps of horror from some of the readers, but my family has always done that--taken pictures of family members in their caskets. We have pictures going back several generations and I am so glad family members have done that and have carried on the tradition. When my cousin was killed in a tragic auto accident a year and a half ago, his mom asked me to take a few dozen pictures of him in his casket. I did and am glad that we have them. It's sort of like a last rite sort of thing and in its own way, is comforting.

Johnny doesn't look entirely natural in his casket (but who would, especially under these circumstances) but did you notice how thick and rich his eyebrows are? Just beautiful eyebrows and lashes. He was an extraordinarily handsome young man and Lisa was just gorgeous. What a beautiful pair of bookends!
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I had never heard of that tradition and I remember reading somewhere on this thread where someone talked about how it is common in latin culture. I'm latin and have never heard of it! But, also, I have been very fortunate in my life and have never attended a single funeral in all my life (I'm 29). I have not had the experience of seeing anyone I love in an open casket.. I fear that day and God willing won't be for a very very long time when someone dies of natural causes at a very old age!!!!

Anyways, that is exactly what I noticed too right away is how thick his hair was..eyebrows and eyelashes. It's so sad to see him there with no life, just the shell of who he was but I could tell he was a very fine handsome man with lashes to envy. Lisa was super cute too with her long hair and freckles. it's so very heartbreaking
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Miss, we are not Latin but rather are probably half a step away from Hillbilly in our family roots. Our stock is exclusively English though. I pray it's a long time before you see a loved one in an open casket but I'll share another something with you. Growing up, I remember the old folk talking about how comforting it was to reach out and touch a loved one's hand when they were in their casket. When my Grandmother died in 2000, I was distraught. She had almost raised me and we were very, very close. She was one of the sweetest, most kind-hearted women you'd ever meet. I was alone at the funeral home with her body, consumed by grief, and I all of a sudden had this urge to reach out and hold her hands. Now this is not like me at all, but I just did it. I have no idea why I did it but I did. Probably the conditioning from hearing the old folk talk years earlier helped pave the way but I can tell you, I am sooooo glad I did make that simple gesture. She was stone cold; there wasn't a bit of warmth in those hands that had caressed my forehead growing up and I knew right then and there that what was left behind was NOT her. Her essence was gone on ahead and at that point in time, I could let the body go into the ground and (I know this sounds silly too) but I could let her body go into the ground and not worry about her freezing in the single digit December weather where she was to be buried the next day. I have never shared this with anyone else but I took great comfort in holding her hands and realizing that it was more than okay to let her body slip away from me. So don't fear that day and when the time comes, slip your hand into the hands of your loved one lying in their casket. You'll find immediate relief and you'll never regret doing that.

I wish there was a picture of Lisa in her casket too but I understand why her family would either not take pictures or not allow them to be posted online. Whatever either of them were or were not involved in, deep inside where it counts they were generous human beings who shared the simple things in life to which we all look forward. Human nature is not that far removed. It is a tragedy.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - My3littlepiggies - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 01:01 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:51 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:41 PM)AriGold Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:31 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:11 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Maybe Dateline, 48 Hours, or 20⁄20 would be interested in doing a story. They seem to be interested in finding out what happens in a crime when LE seems to be doing nothing. They may also be able to address the fact that LE basically blamed the murders on the victims which is completely horrible. I've thought about writing them. Maybe more of us should.

YES that would be AWESOME if one of those could do a story on this. But I wonder how many people involved would they be able to get to talk? Maytee for sure. Maybe Lisa's uncle. But I doubt anyone of our lovely cast of suspicious characters would be willing to talk.. I can't imagine TF, AG, Mr. Z.. etc going on air. Would be similar to "snitching"

+1

I believe that Maytee would love the chance to gets this case more media attention so that it can be solved and she can have peace. I also talked to a family member of mine who was very close to TW and he says that she is just not the kind of person who is capable of something like this or being involved in something like this. I feel like she is also traumatized by EVERYTHING that has happened to her in the past year. Losing the father of her child and then being the last one to talk to these two. She may also be scared of what might happen to her. But I feel like she also wants whoever did this caught and would talk to media about it.

if TW is scared of what might happen to her, then she is NOT going to go on national television to talk about what she may or may not know. No chance.

The thing is I don't think she knows anything about the crime. Besides a timeline. So I don't feel like her knowledge would put her in danger

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:54 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 11:22 AM)Jane Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:42 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: That's so sad that her hair was covering her neck :( There was obviously a reason for that. visible injuries to the neck. Did they mention of the "injuries to the neck" were on Lisa only or both?
both had injuries to their necks..
as much as I didn't want to, i went back and looked at Johnny's picture from his open casket. His entire neck is covered by this clothing.. buttoned all the way up under his chin. I wonder how bad the injuries were to the neck :( they most certainly were strangled before the bags were put over their heads.....Signs_173

Did anyone notice that there seemed to be a band around Johnny's forehead, sort of a depression? Is that natural after death??
Yes I see the 'band' that you're talking about. I did notice it but I think it's just how his forehead was shaped. Geez what thick eyebrows that kiddo had. Amazing.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:57 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:53 PM)van64 Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:38 PM)AriGold Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 11:22 AM)Jane Wrote: both had injuries to their necks..
as much as I didn't want to, i went back and looked at Johnny's picture from his open casket. His entire neck is covered by this clothing.. buttoned all the way up under his chin. I wonder how bad the injuries were to the neck :( they most certainly were strangled before the bags were put over their heads.....Signs_173
That had to take a strong person or multiple people. Johnny was a big guy; I can't imagine it being easy to strangle him. Gun or no gun -- your natural reflex and instinct would cause you to fight back.

"Fight or flight."
Exactly. You can see his strength in the pictures of him without his shirt. He looks very tall (6 feet plus) and exceptionally muscled. It's obvious he works out. I'm sure subduing him didn't go down easy. The only thing I can think of is the perps held a gun on the two of them, promising them they would not be harmed if they cooperated and the two of them subsequently allowed themselves to be tied up...thinking, hoping, even praying that the perps would keep their word. Then something went wrong, horribly horribly wrong, or the perps did what they knew they were going to do anyway and they killed both of them by placing the plastic bags over their heads and securing the bags with duct tape. That's the only explanation I can think of whereby there wouldn't have been much of a struggle AT THE TIME THE PLASTIC BAGS were going over their heads. Someone described the crime scene as being very bloody and I'm guessing Johnny grabbed a knife and tried to give as good as he got.

I would think they used something to make JC comply....sometimes when I have seen murders that perpetrated the most horrid crimes, I've wondered how the hell did they get these people to comply?? Usually there is a gun involved or a knife to someone's throat that they loved...they had some kind of leverage that's for sure!
That is the only thing that is making sense.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 03-06-2011

hi, been out today, just catching up.

first, NOBODY has been deleted except known trolls. not related to this case. and no posts are ever deleted even when people ask. so that "i was deleted" is a load of steaming shit.
i do delete people who join and NEVER post after a while.

also...i have something here for Zero's avatar------>

just kidding with you Z. Smiley_emoticons_biggrin


here is thread about our deletion policy:

http://mockforums.net/thread-4383.html?highlight=deleting+posts

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Miss Conspiracy - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 12:54 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 11:22 AM)Jane Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:42 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: That's so sad that her hair was covering her neck :( There was obviously a reason for that. visible injuries to the neck. Did they mention of the "injuries to the neck" were on Lisa only or both?
both had injuries to their necks..
as much as I didn't want to, i went back and looked at Johnny's picture from his open casket. His entire neck is covered by this clothing.. buttoned all the way up under his chin. I wonder how bad the injuries were to the neck :( they most certainly were strangled before the bags were put over their heads.....Signs_173

Did anyone notice that there seemed to be a band around Johnny's forehead, sort of a depression? Is that natural after death??

Damn you for making me go back and look again! lol. I guess it does look a little unusual.. he has a very prominent brow bone.. looking at some of his pics it looks like his brown bone did stick out a little so i would say that's natural for him...

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-06-2011

(03-06-2011, 01:05 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 01:01 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:51 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:41 PM)AriGold Wrote:
(03-06-2011, 12:31 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: YES that would be AWESOME if one of those could do a story on this. But I wonder how many people involved would they be able to get to talk? Maytee for sure. Maybe Lisa's uncle. But I doubt anyone of our lovely cast of suspicious characters would be willing to talk.. I can't imagine TF, AG, Mr. Z.. etc going on air. Would be similar to "snitching"

+1

I believe that Maytee would love the chance to gets this case more media attention so that it can be solved and she can have peace. I also talked to a family member of mine who was very close to TW and he says that she is just not the kind of person who is capable of something like this or being involved in something like this. I feel like she is also traumatized by EVERYTHING that has happened to her in the past year. Losing the father of her child and then being the last one to talk to these two. She may also be scared of what might happen to her. But I feel like she also wants whoever did this caught and would talk to media about it.

if TW is scared of what might happen to her, then she is NOT going to go on national television to talk about what she may or may not know. No chance.

The thing is I don't think she knows anything about the crime. Besides a timeline. So I don't feel like her knowledge would put her in danger
Agreed or she could always choose to remain hidden in the shadows with her face and voice disguised.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - RaisingAPrince - 03-06-2011



[/quote]Yes I see the 'band' that you're talking about. I did notice it but I think it's just how his forehead was shaped. Geez what thick eyebrows that kiddo had. Amazing.


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Am I the only one that thought his eyebrows were drawn on?? I remember thinking that the first time I saw the picture of him in the casket. I also remember that Maytee posted on FB that she was going to do his hair and makeup. I would bet money that they were drawn on. Not that it makes a difference, he was still a very good looking guy.