(03-06-2011, 01:07 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:54 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 11:22 AM)Jane Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:42 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: That's so sad that her hair was covering her neck :( There was obviously a reason for that. visible injuries to the neck. Did they mention of the "injuries to the neck" were on Lisa only or both?

both had injuries to their necks..

as much as I didn't want to, i went back and looked at Johnny's picture from his open casket. His entire neck is covered by this clothing.. buttoned all the way up under his chin. I wonder how bad the injuries were to the neck :( they most certainly were strangled before the bags were put over their heads.....

Did anyone notice that there seemed to be a band around Johnny's forehead, sort of a depression? Is that natural after death??

Yes I see the 'band' that you're talking about. I did notice it but I think it's just how his forehead was shaped. Geez what thick eyebrows that kiddo had. Amazing.

(03-06-2011, 01:09 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:54 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 11:22 AM)Jane Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:42 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: That's so sad that her hair was covering her neck :( There was obviously a reason for that. visible injuries to the neck. Did they mention of the "injuries to the neck" were on Lisa only or both?

both had injuries to their necks..

as much as I didn't want to, i went back and looked at Johnny's picture from his open casket. His entire neck is covered by this clothing.. buttoned all the way up under his chin. I wonder how bad the injuries were to the neck :( they most certainly were strangled before the bags were put over their heads.....

Did anyone notice that there seemed to be a band around Johnny's forehead, sort of a depression? Is that natural after death??

Damn you for making me go back and look again! lol. I guess it does look a little unusual.. he has a very prominent brow bone.. looking at some of his pics it looks like his brown bone did stick out a little so i would say that's natural for him...

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(03-06-2011, 01:02 PM)van64 Wrote: Miss, we are not Latin but rather are probably half a step away from Hillbilly in our family roots. Our stock is exclusively English though. I pray it's a long time before you see a loved one in an open casket but I'll share another something with you. Growing up, I remember the old folk talking about how comforting it was to reach out and touch a loved one's hand when they were in their casket. When my Grandmother died in 2000, I was distraught. She had almost raised me and we were very, very close. She was one of the sweetest, most kind-hearted women you'd ever meet. I was alone at the funeral home with her body, consumed by grief, and I all of a sudden had this urge to reach out and hold her hands. Now this is not like me at all, but I just did it. I have no idea why I did it but I did. Probably the conditioning from hearing the old folk talk years earlier helped pave the way but I can tell you, I am sooooo glad I did make that simple gesture. She was stone cold; there wasn't a bit of warmth in those hands that had caressed my forehead growing up and I knew right then and there that what was left behind was NOT her. Her essence was gone on ahead and at that point in time, I could let the body go into the ground and (I know this sounds silly too) but I could let her body go into the ground and not worry about her freezing in the single digit December weather where she was to be buried the next day. I have never shared this with anyone else but I took great comfort in holding her hands and realizing that it was more than okay to let her body slip away from me. So don't fear that day and when the time comes, slip your hand into the hands of your loved one lying in their casket. You'll find immediate relief and you'll never regret doing that.

I wish there was a picture of Lisa in her casket too but I understand why her family would either not take pictures or not allow them to be posted online. Whatever either of them were or were not involved in, deep inside where it counts they were generous human beings who shared the simple things in life to which we all look forward. Human nature is not that far removed. It is a tragedy.

(03-06-2011, 12:22 PM)JsMom Wrote: I think shes a SICK LIEING CUNT! I hope she rots! KILL HER OWN BABY! OOOooooowwwwww! PISSES ME OFF! sorry

(03-06-2011, 01:18 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 01:12 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote:

Yes I see the 'band' that you're talking about. I did notice it but I think it's just how his forehead was shaped. Geez what thick eyebrows that kiddo had. Amazing.

(03-06-2011, 01:02 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:40 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

You know, I was reading this thread when Johnny's pictures of him in his casket were drawing gasps of horror from some of the readers, but my family has always done that--taken pictures of family members in their caskets. We have pictures going back several generations and I am so glad family members have done that and have carried on the tradition. When my cousin was killed in a tragic auto accident a year and a half ago, his mom asked me to take a few dozen pictures of him in his casket. I did and am glad that we have them. It's sort of like a last rite sort of thing and in its own way, is comforting.

Johnny doesn't look entirely natural in his casket (but who would, especially under these circumstances) but did you notice how thick and rich his eyebrows are? Just beautiful eyebrows and lashes. He was an extraordinarily handsome young man and Lisa was just gorgeous. What a beautiful pair of bookends!

(03-06-2011, 01:10 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 01:05 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 01:01 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:51 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:41 PM)AriGold Wrote: +1

I believe that Maytee would love the chance to gets this case more media attention so that it can be solved and she can have peace. I also talked to a family member of mine who was very close to TW and he says that she is just not the kind of person who is capable of something like this or being involved in something like this. I feel like she is also traumatized by EVERYTHING that has happened to her in the past year. Losing the father of her child and then being the last one to talk to these two. She may also be scared of what might happen to her. But I feel like she also wants whoever did this caught and would talk to media about it.

if TW is scared of what might happen to her, then she is NOT going to go on national television to talk about what she may or may not know. No chance.

The thing is I don't think she knows anything about the crime. Besides a timeline. So I don't feel like her knowledge would put her in danger

Agreed or she could always choose to remain hidden in the shadows with her face and voice disguised.

(03-06-2011, 01:20 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:22 PM)JsMom Wrote: I think shes a SICK LIEING CUNT! I hope she rots! KILL HER OWN BABY! OOOooooowwwwww! PISSES ME OFF! sorry

But tell us how you really feel.....You've never been one to hold back....:B

I can always depend on JsMom to say it plain and clear....:B

(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:24 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:11 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Maybe Dateline, 48 Hours, or ²⁰⁄₂₀ would be interested in doing a story. They seem to be interested in finding out what happens in a crime when LE seems to be doing nothing. They may also be able to address the fact that LE basically blamed the murders on the victims which is completely horrible. I've thought about writing them. Maybe more of us should.

Sounds good! U got the web address? Anything is worth a try!

Here is the URL for the 48 hours mystery show. I think it's an excellent idea. Now, this genre typically only does cases that have been ajudicated BUT two or three weeks ago they did a cold case mystery from the early 2000s. Here is their URL:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/48hours/?tag=hdr;cnav

(03-06-2011, 01:28 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 01:25 PM)JsMom Wrote:

Every funeral I have ever been to in my life was open casket. I think I would of been tramatized if I could of seen them, hold their hand, or even kiss their forehead! and Up north Michigan where I was born they buried them in front of us! I now live in Tennessee and they do not bury them in front of U. Well they lay them in the grown but DONT put dirt on top of them until the family is gone! When I went through that I thought it was wrong and I tripped out! I also asked for them to wait to lay the casket down until I was gone and THEY DID NOT! so yah things are different in different states as well!

(03-06-2011, 01:27 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 01:10 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 01:05 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 01:01 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:51 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: I believe that Maytee would love the chance to gets this case more media attention so that it can be solved and she can have peace. I also talked to a family member of mine who was very close to TW and he says that she is just not the kind of person who is capable of something like this or being involved in something like this. I feel like she is also traumatized by EVERYTHING that has happened to her in the past year. Losing the father of her child and then being the last one to talk to these two. She may also be scared of what might happen to her. But I feel like she also wants whoever did this caught and would talk to media about it.

if TW is scared of what might happen to her, then she is NOT going to go on national television to talk about what she may or may not know. No chance.

The thing is I don't think she knows anything about the crime. Besides a timeline. So I don't feel like her knowledge would put her in danger

Agreed or she could always choose to remain hidden in the shadows with her face and voice disguised.

Sorry but... Bullshit. Bullshit on the whole thing! 1^st of all Tiffany wouldn't be interested in going on TV because that would be snitching. 2^nd of all she wouldn't be interested in going on TV because she wouldn't be able to keep her story straight for a 3^rd time so the less she has to recount what happened, the better, for HER.

She's not interested in justice & if she is she has a funny way of showing it. One short mention of the murders on her FB & then back to business as usual? Business which includes threatening various people with physical violence? Joining Maytees pages & liking her statuses knowing that Maytee thinks she's involved? YES seems to me she's very concerned with justice being served.

Lots of people say of their friends & loved ones AFTER they do something really fucked up "They would never do such a thing" Well obviously that's bullshit & alot of people do alot of things that you'd never think they'd be capable of. Also if she's so traumatized by the death of her baby daddy, why did she go get knocked up by his homie 6 months after his death?

(03-06-2011, 01:30 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:29 PM)van64 Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:24 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 12:11 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Maybe Dateline, 48 Hours, or ²⁰⁄₂₀ would be interested in doing a story. They seem to be interested in finding out what happens in a crime when LE seems to be doing nothing. They may also be able to address the fact that LE basically blamed the murders on the victims which is completely horrible. I've thought about writing them. Maybe more of us should.

Sounds good! U got the web address? Anything is worth a try!

Here is the URL for the 48 hours mystery show. I think it's an excellent idea. Now, this genre typically only does cases that have been ajudicated BUT two or three weeks ago they did a cold case mystery from the early 2000s. Here is their URL:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/48hours/?tag=hdr;cnav

I can't find a place on 20/20's page to email them. Can anyone else? I really hope that others on this forum email Dateline and 48 hours as well to help get this some national media attention again. It had some media attention with Nancy Grace but has lost it. Wouldn't be a bad idea to contact Nancy Grace to see if they will do an update. I feel like the more of us that contact them with this the better the chance is for them to do a story on it.

(03-06-2011, 12:11 PM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Maybe Dateline, 48 Hours, or ²⁰⁄₂₀ would be interested in doing a story. They seem to be interested in finding out what happens in a crime when LE seems to be doing nothing. They may also be able to address the fact that LE basically blamed the murders on the victims which is completely horrible. I've thought about writing them. Maybe more of us should.

(03-06-2011, 01:52 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: The older pictures (only about 7 months old if the camera is right) on the beach he and Lisa look much healthier and he looks physically bigger than in that BA Christmas picture the one where he is wearing the green shirt (BA has the whole picture posted on FB) they both look like they loss a lot of weight to me anyway.

Edit: My bad it looks to be only 5 months.

(03-06-2011, 02:00 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 01:52 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: The older pictures (only about 7 months old if the camera is right) on the beach he and Lisa look much healthier and he looks physically bigger than in that BA Christmas picture the one where he is wearing the green shirt (BA has the whole picture posted on FB) they both look like they loss a lot of weight to me anyway.

Edit: My bad it looks to be only 5 months.

yeah I have to agree. they both look much thinner in the December pics. Lisa almost looks like a different person. I hate to speculate and say it's drugs, but that's a big change in a short time