(02-09-2011, 01:26 AM)Cracker Wrote: 82 pages of posts by people upset because of drug-related murders? Wow.

(02-09-2011, 01:31 AM)LabRat Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:26 AM)Cracker Wrote: 82 pages of posts by people upset because of drug-related murders? Wow.

No one is upset dumbfuck... take your white supremacist self to another forum if you don't want to read this!

(02-09-2011, 12:43 AM)Red_velvet71 Wrote: Hello, everyone, I have been a lurker here for a few days now. This story has me so involved that I find my self running back and forth regularly. The first thing I'd like to say is that my heart goes out to both of the victims families, absolutely NO one deserves this cruel death. As for John's mother, she's a mess! I found her postings on her dead son's FB page to be quite creepy, and totally not what you would expect of a grieving mother, possibly a lover, but not a son. I can promise you that she is on some kind of drugs, and probably is at this exact moment, her concern should be for her other two living boys, can't imagine how they are dealing, especially with the mother carrying on with her rants and raves, must be hard for them. Poor little guys. :( She (the mother) knows something, I'd bet on it.
The kid might be a great, smiling every time you see him kind a kid, but the truth is he was a drug dealer IMO, and someone didn't get paid or someone got screwed over...etc. The innocent one here is Lisa, young girls that fall hard in love with a cute kid, fall hard, and will do anything for them, even if it means going against the way they were raised. So she was letting the drug dealing go on even though she wasn't happy about it. He wasn't employed, had no car, and lived here and there, that speaks volumes to me.
Now, to the mother of Johnny, "Oh my God!" she's a total basket case, and was probably that way for years, this just gave her a reason to do more drugs, (still just speculation) it's all about her now, this is her time to let everyone see her grief and pain, and she does it quite well, I'd say.
I don't think the murderers came with the bags and tape. I think since it was more or less a flop house while the parents were away, people coming in and out all hours,and stopping at the local 7-11 for a six pack, that there would be plenty of plastic bags all over the place. The tape was right there in sight so, no prob. with that part. I think whoever killed those kids, took only drugs, that's what they went there for IMO. When you deal drugs you always have to have what they call the 'Big Man' the supplier, and they are as hardcore people you will ever meet! You have to show all the little ones under you, that you're not playing games when it comes to your money and your drugs. That's what went down that night (Pure speculation still) I don't think it will be a lengthy time before they are hauling some asses into jail. To the mother: For god's sake, please get a grip for your boys if not for yourself, Please! Take a long look at your videos, do you really think that's normal behavior? The kids lady, the kids! think about their pain.

Thanks to everyone who has added some good stuff to this forum, I love it and plan on hanging around, if you let me. Love this forum!

Please don't be to rough on me for I'm just a noob ya know...haha

I'd love to be made a member, I really would.

(02-09-2011, 01:38 AM)shitstorm Wrote: Regarding how long Lisa had been dating JC - who knows? I don't think the Blade is too thorough with the facts. Somewhere I read they just started dating last summer.

On the issue of Holland, Maumee, Springfiled Twnshp - if you are not in an incorporated city, which I suppose Holland is because they have a police dept, then you're in a township and those are always covered by the sheriff.

(02-09-2011, 01:44 AM)LabRat Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 12:43 AM)Red_velvet71 Wrote: Hello, everyone, I have been a lurker here for a few days now. This story has me so involved that I find my self running back and forth regularly. The first thing I'd like to say is that my heart goes out to both of the victims families, absolutely NO one deserves this cruel death. As for John's mother, she's a mess! I found her postings on her dead son's FB page to be quite creepy, and totally not what you would expect of a grieving mother, possibly a lover, but not a son. I can promise you that she is on some kind of drugs, and probably is at this exact moment, her concern should be for her other two living boys, can't imagine how they are dealing, especially with the mother carrying on with her rants and raves, must be hard for them. Poor little guys. :( She (the mother) knows something, I'd bet on it.
The kid might be a great, smiling every time you see him kind a kid, but the truth is he was a drug dealer IMO, and someone didn't get paid or someone got screwed over...etc. The innocent one here is Lisa, young girls that fall hard in love with a cute kid, fall hard, and will do anything for them, even if it means going against the way they were raised. So she was letting the drug dealing go on even though she wasn't happy about it. He wasn't employed, had no car, and lived here and there, that speaks volumes to me.
Now, to the mother of Johnny, "Oh my God!" she's a total basket case, and was probably that way for years, this just gave her a reason to do more drugs, (still just speculation) it's all about her now, this is her time to let everyone see her grief and pain, and she does it quite well, I'd say.
I don't think the murderers came with the bags and tape. I think since it was more or less a flop house while the parents were away, people coming in and out all hours,and stopping at the local 7-11 for a six pack, that there would be plenty of plastic bags all over the place. The tape was right there in sight so, no prob. with that part. I think whoever killed those kids, took only drugs, that's what they went there for IMO. When you deal drugs you always have to have what they call the 'Big Man' the supplier, and they are as hardcore people you will ever meet! You have to show all the little ones under you, that you're not playing games when it comes to your money and your drugs. That's what went down that night (Pure speculation still) I don't think it will be a lengthy time before they are hauling some asses into jail. To the mother: For god's sake, please get a grip for your boys if not for yourself, Please! Take a long look at your videos, do you really think that's normal behavior? The kids lady, the kids! think about their pain.

Thanks to everyone who has added some good stuff to this forum, I love it and plan on hanging around, if you let me. Love this forum!

Please don't be to rough on me for I'm just a noob ya know...haha

I'd love to be made a member, I really would.

I agree with part of this post... however I think Lisa wasn't as much of a saint as you make her out to be.... lets face it, her ex bf just got out of jail and Johnny spent time behind bars as well... if anything she was attracted to the bad boys, and from listening to people who knew Lisa, she may have been quite the partier herself... maybe it was easier to get her drug of choice by dating a dealer??

This isn't something as simple as "oh he snores when he sleeps but I can deal with it"... the kid was a drug dealer, and I'm sure the people they hung around with were on the shadier side of the law. Lisa knew this, and if she really did date him for an extended period of time I think she was quite used to it by now.

IMO

(02-09-2011, 01:40 AM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:31 AM)LabRat Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:26 AM)Cracker Wrote: 82 pages of posts by people upset because of drug-related murders? Wow.

No one is upset dumbfuck... take your white supremacist self to another forum if you don't want to read this!

Seems like you're upset.

And you know Cracker is a "white supremacist" because . . . ?

(02-09-2011, 01:48 AM)Red_velvet71 Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:44 AM)LabRat Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 12:43 AM)Red_velvet71 Wrote: Hello, everyone, I have been a lurker here for a few days now. This story has me so involved that I find my self running back and forth regularly. The first thing I'd like to say is that my heart goes out to both of the victims families, absolutely NO one deserves this cruel death. As for John's mother, she's a mess! I found her postings on her dead son's FB page to be quite creepy, and totally not what you would expect of a grieving mother, possibly a lover, but not a son. I can promise you that she is on some kind of drugs, and probably is at this exact moment, her concern should be for her other two living boys, can't imagine how they are dealing, especially with the mother carrying on with her rants and raves, must be hard for them. Poor little guys. :( She (the mother) knows something, I'd bet on it.
The kid might be a great, smiling every time you see him kind a kid, but the truth is he was a drug dealer IMO, and someone didn't get paid or someone got screwed over...etc. The innocent one here is Lisa, young girls that fall hard in love with a cute kid, fall hard, and will do anything for them, even if it means going against the way they were raised. So she was letting the drug dealing go on even though she wasn't happy about it. He wasn't employed, had no car, and lived here and there, that speaks volumes to me.
Now, to the mother of Johnny, "Oh my God!" she's a total basket case, and was probably that way for years, this just gave her a reason to do more drugs, (still just speculation) it's all about her now, this is her time to let everyone see her grief and pain, and she does it quite well, I'd say.
I don't think the murderers came with the bags and tape. I think since it was more or less a flop house while the parents were away, people coming in and out all hours,and stopping at the local 7-11 for a six pack, that there would be plenty of plastic bags all over the place. The tape was right there in sight so, no prob. with that part. I think whoever killed those kids, took only drugs, that's what they went there for IMO. When you deal drugs you always have to have what they call the 'Big Man' the supplier, and they are as hardcore people you will ever meet! You have to show all the little ones under you, that you're not playing games when it comes to your money and your drugs. That's what went down that night (Pure speculation still) I don't think it will be a lengthy time before they are hauling some asses into jail. To the mother: For god's sake, please get a grip for your boys if not for yourself, Please! Take a long look at your videos, do you really think that's normal behavior? The kids lady, the kids! think about their pain.

Thanks to everyone who has added some good stuff to this forum, I love it and plan on hanging around, if you let me. Love this forum!

Please don't be to rough on me for I'm just a noob ya know...haha

I'd love to be made a member, I really would.

I agree with part of this post... however I think Lisa wasn't as much of a saint as you make her out to be.... lets face it, her ex bf just got out of jail and Johnny spent time behind bars as well... if anything she was attracted to the bad boys, and from listening to people who knew Lisa, she may have been quite the partier herself... maybe it was easier to get her drug of choice by dating a dealer??

This isn't something as simple as "oh he snores when he sleeps but I can deal with it"... the kid was a drug dealer, and I'm sure the people they hung around with were on the shadier side of the law. Lisa knew this, and if she really did date him for an extended period of time I think she was quite used to it by now.

IMO

Thanks, and do you know how long they had actually dated?

(02-09-2011, 01:44 AM)LabRat Wrote: ... the kid was a drug dealer

(02-09-2011, 01:31 AM)LabRat Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:26 AM)Cracker Wrote: 82 pages of posts by people upset because of drug-related murders? Wow.

No one is upset dumbfuck... take your white supremacist self to another forum if you don't want to read this!

(02-09-2011, 01:49 AM)LabRat Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:40 AM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:31 AM)LabRat Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:26 AM)Cracker Wrote: 82 pages of posts by people upset because of drug-related murders? Wow.

No one is upset dumbfuck... take your white supremacist self to another forum if you don't want to read this!

Seems like you're upset.

And you know Cracker is a "white supremacist" because . . . ?

because other members have had problems with him... look at his name, "Cracker" racist white name, and then look at his profile pic, white guy with shaved head... then look at his posts on other threads on this forum....

http://mockforums.net/post-125150.html#pid125150

THAT is how I know....

(02-09-2011, 01:55 AM)Cracker Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:49 AM)LabRat Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:40 AM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:31 AM)LabRat Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:26 AM)Cracker Wrote: 82 pages of posts by people upset because of drug-related murders? Wow.

No one is upset dumbfuck... take your white supremacist self to another forum if you don't want to read this!

Seems like you're upset.

And you know Cracker is a "white supremacist" because . . . ?

because other members have had problems with him... look at his name, "Cracker" racist white name, and then look at his profile pic, white guy with shaved head... then look at his posts on other threads on this forum....

http://mockforums.net/post-125150.html#pid125150

THAT is how I know....

Hahaha

Yeah, "he" is a she and that is a movie character, retard, from a popular movie.

Great sleuth. Cracker is not impressed.

I'll leave you to your "work." Better luck with that, Sherlock.

(02-09-2011, 01:57 AM)jash Wrote: It just occurred to me that Lisa (if true about her ex like Johnny's mom said) has dated not 1, but 2 convicted felons. I do think it is way wrong for Johnny's mom to shoot off her mouth about lisa's ex being in prison for robbery and then say that she wasn't going to talk about her boy's prison stint.
Last summer, my daughter began dating a guy that had my hinky meter off the charts. I started sleuthing, and while he was not a felon, it was apparent that he was in constant trouble with the law and a number 1 asshole loser. Thus, I began my war. I bombarded her with my disapproval, printed out all the shit he was up to and in to, generally just made her life fucking miserable. Of course, she dug in her heels just to spite me. Then the asshole moved in with her. I then arranged an "intervention" with a couple people, and told her that he was out of that house tonite, with his shit on the curb. She caved and we left my house, packed up his shit, and piled it on the curb. I txted him and told him if I ever saw his face around my kid again, I would not be happy and repercussions would occur (actually I said something else but I don't want to incriminate myself) I moved my daughter in with me until the asshole moved onto his next victim and that was that. My kid was well over 21, didn't live with me, but there was NO FUCKING WAY I was gonna have some lowlife ruin her life or get her involved in his white trash life. Call me a "to involved" parent, whatever....I did what I had to do to protect my kid from what I KNEW was coming from her being involved with a lowlife. I would have broken the law if I had to, to make sure she was safe...
My point in telling this story that no one really gives a shit about is...

I wonder if Lisa's parents were aware of everyone's criminal past? I wonder if they really came down hard to get rid of him, or to get her out of the drug scene. I'm not blaming them...I just wonder if they knew...maybe if someone here knew the family, they could answer.

(02-09-2011, 01:58 AM)LabRat Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:55 AM)Cracker Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:49 AM)LabRat Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:40 AM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:31 AM)LabRat Wrote: No one is upset dumbfuck... take your white supremacist self to another forum if you don't want to read this!

Seems like you're upset.

And you know Cracker is a "white supremacist" because . . . ?

because other members have had problems with him... look at his name, "Cracker" racist white name, and then look at his profile pic, white guy with shaved head... then look at his posts on other threads on this forum....

http://mockforums.net/post-125150.html#pid125150

THAT is how I know....

Hahaha

Yeah, "he" is a she and that is a movie character, retard, from a popular movie.

Great sleuth. Cracker is not impressed.

I'll leave you to your "work." Better luck with that, Sherlock.

Yes I realize that is a character from full metal jacket... still by the sounds of your posts I would characterize you as racist... you may not be a white supremacist, but you certainly have a problem with "rag-heads and gorillas"

You don't have to be a man to be racist hun

(02-09-2011, 01:56 AM)LabRat Wrote: From the sounds of it Johnny was the dealer... 2 digital scales were taken from the house during the search, along with baggies.... digi scales and baggies in the kitchen usually point to drug dealing... I doubt he was weighing enough postage to require TWO digital scales, so what else would it point to?

Plus their own friends acknowledge he dealt... He may have been trying to get his life back on track but he certainly wasn't there yet.

IMO

(02-09-2011, 02:19 AM)Fibonacci Prima Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 01:56 AM)LabRat Wrote: From the sounds of it Johnny was the dealer... 2 digital scales were taken from the house during the search, along with baggies.... digi scales and baggies in the kitchen usually point to drug dealing... I doubt he was weighing enough postage to require TWO digital scales, so what else would it point to?

Plus their own friends acknowledge he dealt... He may have been trying to get his life back on track but he certainly wasn't there yet.

IMO

I have digital scales and baggies in my kitchen. I don't deal drugs. I measure food. Your argument is flawed.