(03-08-2011, 07:26 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 07:22 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 07:17 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: Sorry about that. They said the type of people that hung around were pretty shady and that they heard he was in a gang, although I know Maytee refutes that. What they were getting at was they don't keep this type of company, so they don't feel as if they are in danger.

Did their neighbor say WHEN these shady people hung around there? Was it the whole time Johnny lived there or only after Lisa's parents went on holiday?

They spend a lot of time at their cottage. Lisa's friends could have been around then I suppose.

(03-08-2011, 06:49 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: No disrespect to the victims, but it sounds like you and Red Green might have something in common, Freshbait. In case you haven't heard of him before, he's a huge fan of duct tape

(03-08-2011, 04:23 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Holland-Springfield Journal today:

Public help sought in homicide investigation
The Lucas County sheriff's office is asking for public input in the January deaths of two young people in a Springfield Township home.
Johnny S. Clarke and Lisa Straub were found dead in a home on Longacre Lane on January 31. The couple had been murdered.
Kathy Stooksbury, an investigator with the sheriff's office, said the department is seeking anybody who may have information on the case.
Detective Stooksbury said investigators are looking at all leads. "We don't know why this happened. They were just two young kids living life one day at a time," she said.
The detective noted that the department is still awaiting the toxicology report, adding that it can take some time before they receive the results.
In the meantime, the department is actively following up on any leads day and night. "Anything, anyone may have seen; we want them to tell us," she said.
The detective added that the department can't say whether this a chance incident. "We don't know if this is random or not."
Detectives are open to any and all possibilities. "We are not attributing this to any one thing. We can't do tunnel vision. That puts blinders on us," she said.
Detective Stooksbury said the department won't rest until the perpetrators are caught. "Nobody wants to solve this more than we do," she added.
She encourages anyone with information to contact Crime Stoppers at 419-255-1111.

(03-08-2011, 07:03 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 06:37 PM)Jane Wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I think Sgt Schiavone knew what he was talking about, during that meeting with the Holland residents. My guess is, he went over the line, with what he knew about the case, & therefore the Sheriff had to cover his ass, or else it would look like 'tunnel vision', OR it would make residents feel like LE doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground, type thing, as in they don't have a clue what happened. If you think about it, that's pretty much what the Sgt made it sound like, with "the perps have probably left the area" , etc..... leaving it too cut & dry. I know I'm not wording this all right, but in MY mind, I know what I'm talking about, LOL. You have to remember, the Sgt knows how the crime scene looked, knows what all the interviews consisted of, etc ... There's a reason he stated everything he stated to those residents, & I don't think it was ONLY to make them feel safe. jmo

I know what your saying, I kind of thought the same thing, because he was retiring, I' m thinking some of it is just his own opinion, like the "professional hit" and they have left the town...he probably figured he was out of there, so why not???

(03-08-2011, 06:10 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 06:07 PM)JsMom Wrote: I must of overlooked that post! =(

It wasn't something that would have stuck out, in a comment. It wasn't made in a nasty way, & I don't remember who even made the comment, now.

(03-08-2011, 08:04 PM)Methusala Wrote: In my humble opinion, it was disgraceful and unprofessional.[/b]

(03-08-2011, 07:26 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 07:22 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 07:17 PM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 07:03 PM)Methusala Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 06:43 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: I was also told by someone who lives in the neighborhood that they saw the kind of people that would hang out at lisa's and they aren't scared at all that this is something that could happen to them. I feel bad that these kids got themselves caught up in such a lifestyle.

Could you please clarify - are you saying that the neighbors are not in fear because the people who "would hang out at Lisa's" were not scary?;

or are you saying that the neighbors thought that the people who "would hang out at Lisa's" were scary, and that they are now not in fear because they don't think those people will come around any more now that she is dead?

Sorry about that. They said the type of people that hung around were pretty shady and that they heard he was in a gang, although I know Maytee refutes that. What they were getting at was they don't keep this type of company, so they don't feel as if they are in danger.

Did their neighbor say WHEN these shady people hung around there? Was it the whole time Johnny lived there or only after Lisa's parents went on holiday?

They spend a lot of time at their cottage. Lisa's friends could have been around then I suppose.

(03-08-2011, 06:43 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: I was also told by someone who lives in the neighborhood that they saw the kind of people that would hang out at lisa's and they aren't scared at all that this is something that could happen to them. I feel bad that these kids got themselves caught up in such a lifestyle.

(03-08-2011, 07:07 PM)aileen Wrote: I will tell you honestly, since this crime, I normally have all my plastic grocery bags stuffed into a baggy keeper(for lack of a better name) which hangs on a cabinet door in my kitchen. Since this happened, I kept getting a sick/creepy feeling whenever I would grab one out. I thought to myself...I shouldn't keep these out like this!! And then I HID my duct tape! lol Am I the only one who now finds these items unsettling to have in their home??? Or am I just losing it....

(03-08-2011, 08:26 PM)notsure Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 06:43 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: I was also told by someone who lives in the neighborhood that they saw the kind of people that would hang out at lisa's and they aren't scared at all that this is something that could happen to them. I feel bad that these kids got themselves caught up in such a lifestyle.

huh? which hood? hang out? Can u explain a little further please.

(03-08-2011, 08:06 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Methusala, i also think that the Sheriff disavowed the Sgt.'s comments in a subtle way.

(03-08-2011, 06:44 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Sam's Club sells Duct Tape. Was it black or silver or grey?

(03-08-2011, 06:49 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 06:02 PM)Jane Wrote: More & more, I'm thinking LE doesn't have a thing, as far as who the perps are.

It's always darkest before the dawn....Something's going to break, I am sure LE feels as intensely as we do and wants an see an arrest. They have to play by the rules and give the DA a successful case for prosecution. Remember the FBI and BCI are involved and I think that makes for even tighter lips.

(03-08-2011, 06:51 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 06:25 PM)Jane Wrote: I still say MAYBE Lisa was arrested, as a juvenile, for some weed, or paraphernalia. If that's the case, no one will find those records. From what I understand, juvenile records are not open to the public.

Lisa's uncle is not the type of person that would go on TV and state that she did not have the legal problems that the sheriff said she did if he wasn't sure. Also, for kids in that area I wouldn't be surprised at all if the criminal mischief was toilet papering a house or something similar.
JMO

(03-08-2011, 06:43 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 06:39 PM)Snoopy Wrote: In my home, 1 roll of duct tape could last me 3 years, easily. I seldom have any use for it, and on the rare occasion that I do need it, I usually only need a very small piece of it. It could very well of been purchased well before it was used in this crime. Just saying..

Same here. We have duct tape, but it's rarely used. I can't even remember the last time I used it. For all we know, the tape may have been purchased ages ago, out of the area, for that matter.

(03-08-2011, 07:07 PM)aileen Wrote: Am I the only one who now finds these items unsettling to have in their home???

I was uncomfortable with my grocery bags left out in the open.