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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - eye.of.my - 03-14-2011

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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 03-14-2011

Can anyone tell me if Detectives on a case ever use Bloodhounds?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ZEROSPHERES - 03-14-2011

(03-14-2011, 01:19 AM)eye.of.my Wrote: 15


Velveeta and I agree
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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - BellaMia - 03-14-2011

(03-13-2011, 05:01 AM)BellaMia Wrote:
(03-12-2011, 09:46 PM)eye.of.my Wrote:
(03-12-2011, 09:28 PM)NightOwl Wrote:
(03-12-2011, 08:52 PM)eye.of.my Wrote:
(03-12-2011, 07:11 PM)Nina Wrote: A couple of people from Toledo have said BC could not have been involved because he was hiding out of town from his baby mama drama. Just wanted to point out that a week before the murders, right when he started posting all the revenge on snitches posts/songs, he WAS BACK IN TOLEDO. In reponse to a girl asking if he was still out of town........ :

BC: naw im still in tha hood i had 2 cum bacc
January 22 at 2:37pm

He did not leave town again until after the murders.

Well you say what you think and Ill know what Ill know and stick to my I will kiss the asses of anyone who said I was wrong ( please make sure they are clean). Im not sure how he got brought up in this in the first place other than fb and personally just because a person looks like a psycho dont make them a killer. But this is about opinions and I respect that I just sit back and laugh. I almost told him to get on here and check it out but didnt think anyone wanted to listen to his ghetto trash talk anymore than I do.

I suppose because the situation he was caught up in was going on at the same time - I've no idea who brought him up and I don't think he's involved my pov only - I wonder do these heathen have a mother?

I hate to say it but I am loosing hope. I have been sitting here wrecking my brains and really only going off of what I hear and what I see on here and in the media. As I sit here and I think about it theres a list of unsolved murders that cross my mind and it drives me crazy. I can see this one going the same in the near future. I may be wrong but I am pretty sure one of the unsolved cases that I keep thinking of was a relative of Donald C and happened within the same year as his. With this crossing my mind and thinking about if they all was connected possibly somehow I am going nuts. But if anyone is interested in my madness heres the link to the unsolved when it first happened I want to say. Maybe I am way off who knows but hell at this point anything is possible.
http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/23yearold_killed_in_s_toledo_bandrews_091309

Responding to eye.... I know his family I will ask for you in the morning and let you know. I do not think he was though. I think they would have brought that up by now with tw being in the middle of this.
I asked for you and was told no they were not related. TW may say so because they all were very close growing up. Donalds family is related to some S far down the line but she does not believe the same ones. Hope that helps.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - eye.of.my - 03-14-2011

(03-14-2011, 02:27 AM)BellaMia Wrote:
(03-13-2011, 05:01 AM)BellaMia Wrote:
(03-12-2011, 09:46 PM)eye.of.my Wrote:
(03-12-2011, 09:28 PM)NightOwl Wrote:
(03-12-2011, 08:52 PM)eye.of.my Wrote: Well you say what you think and Ill know what Ill know and stick to my I will kiss the asses of anyone who said I was wrong ( please make sure they are clean). Im not sure how he got brought up in this in the first place other than fb and personally just because a person looks like a psycho dont make them a killer. But this is about opinions and I respect that I just sit back and laugh. I almost told him to get on here and check it out but didnt think anyone wanted to listen to his ghetto trash talk anymore than I do.

I suppose because the situation he was caught up in was going on at the same time - I've no idea who brought him up and I don't think he's involved my pov only - I wonder do these heathen have a mother?

I hate to say it but I am loosing hope. I have been sitting here wrecking my brains and really only going off of what I hear and what I see on here and in the media. As I sit here and I think about it theres a list of unsolved murders that cross my mind and it drives me crazy. I can see this one going the same in the near future. I may be wrong but I am pretty sure one of the unsolved cases that I keep thinking of was a relative of Donald C and happened within the same year as his. With this crossing my mind and thinking about if they all was connected possibly somehow I am going nuts. But if anyone is interested in my madness heres the link to the unsolved when it first happened I want to say. Maybe I am way off who knows but hell at this point anything is possible.
http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/23yearold_killed_in_s_toledo_bandrews_091309

Responding to eye.... I know his family I will ask for you in the morning and let you know. I do not think he was though. I think they would have brought that up by now with tw being in the middle of this.
I asked for you and was told no they were not related. TW may say so because they all were very close growing up. Donalds family is related to some S far down the line but she does not believe the same ones. Hope that helps.

Thank you, but yes and no lol. I also talked to a few of the family members and they said yes.... So I really don't know I think I was off anyways but it was worth a shot. I have never met TW I would have almost a million questions if so lol. But you are right maybe its because they where all so close growing up.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - eye.of.my - 03-14-2011

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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - LVShortySpice - 03-14-2011

Couple things crossed my mind looking back on some old post I read & I'm sure I'm repeating some old shit, bare with me on this:
1) The mention of a hidden spare key to the house that LS, & a number of other people knew about. Just a thought...in the evenings prior to the murders, perhaps some of their "frenemies" saw LS or JC use that key and made a mental note on where it was kept.
2)Somewhere I read in the evidence collected, was that the Alarm Manual was left out & opened....leaves you to wonder if the killers knew how to get in the house (via hidden spare key)but needed to act quickly on the alarm(incase it was activated) while JC was kickin it at his buddy's house before he went to pick up LS from work. The killers may have caught the alarm code on a previous visit but needed to make sure how to shut the dam thing off just in case.
3)"IF" LS was not raped or sexually assaulted, I would bet my own life that there WAS A FEMALE PERP INVOLVED IN THE MURDER...LS was a very pretty & attractive girl (most sick bastards would have not thought twice about sexually assaulting her) they came in with duck tape & planned on tying her & JC up anyway. Unless (like I suspect) a female perp was there to keep the other killers focused on their sick mission to get some drugs, get some money, and shut the "snitch" & his goody good "rich bitch"up for good.
4)LS was found with her work uni on and her gym pants under or around her neck...she was changing when the perps came out & confronted JC...IMO, LS ran out to see what the hell was going on. I think LS was left for the female perp to handle while the other male perps handled JC.
Sorry I'm rambling people, I'm just pissed off these loser thugs & their nasty,dirty, screwing everything that moves pregnant baby mama's aren't locked up yet...I hope one turns on the other for a better plea deal...better yet, maybe someone in their family or "frenemies" will turn them in for a cool 20K. Who couldn't use 20K of cold hard cash??? COME ON PEOPLE WE'RE IN A RECESSION FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD, TAKE THE MONEY BITCHES & BUY YOURSELVES A NEW LOUIS VUITTON! ok...I'm doneSmiley_emoticons_smile Good night!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 03-14-2011



Another week begins, I'm trying to remain positive & hopeful we will see resolution in this. Waiting is hard. I fluctuate between thinking the keystone cops are in charge to thinking they are doing the right thing by remaining silent. To be quite honest, I don't know what to think anymore. The only thing I know for sure is that the cops & people who surround this case read here & that means nothing.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - pspence - 03-14-2011

Adub states " I wondering where the "truck load of heroin" rumor first came in to play here at Mock. So I searched and found the post above. Fb friend of TW. Makes me go hmmm..... "

I wished there was some secret connection to me to this case (and NC) but as I explained on a later post...after being totally captured/obsessed with seeking justice on this case due to reading about it first in the news and seeing the picture of these 2 beautiful kids and having grown kids similar ages who would have fit right in with the party pictures...I "friended" Tiffany on facebook and was shocked when she responded...we corresponded and she was very polite and claimed from the beginning she had nothing to do with it...that she loved both J and L...

since that time I've also had a heart broken for Maytee and been totally understanding of her agony...I certainly have played "both sides of the fence" and for that I feel badly but I was trying to see it from all sides and throwing all possible scenarios out there...I feel guilty throwing that scenario out there about Maytee husb/heroin and am convinced now that had nothing to do with this...

I hope Maytee forgives me and anything that I have suggested that has caused her additional hurt - I feel terrible...that's the truth...I am now convinced it was like Maytee said "a robbery gone bad" by people they thought were their friends...





RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - kfran - 03-14-2011

I'm still curious as to why only (from what we've heard) the masterbedroom was "ransacked." Someone suggested that maybe Lisa was hiding in the MB closet & that's why there were holes in the walls. Maybe that is the case, not sure? But if she was getting ready to change, i.e. reason for "interband pants" wouldn't she be changing in her own bedroom? Why weren't the other bedrooms rummaged through? Did the perps hear the doorbell & leave before they got to go through the whole house?
I don't know, I'm beating my head against a wall like most other Mockers.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - curious - 03-14-2011

(03-14-2011, 06:36 AM)kfran Wrote: I'm still curious as to why only (from what we've heard) the masterbedroom was "ransacked." Someone suggested that maybe Lisa was hiding in the MB closet & that's why there were holes in the walls. Maybe that is the case, not sure? But if she was getting ready to change, i.e. reason for "interband pants" wouldn't she be changing in her own bedroom? Why weren't the other bedrooms rummaged through? Did the perps hear the doorbell & leave before they got to go through the whole house?
I don't know, I'm beating my head against a wall like most other Mockers.

Who knows, hell for all we know both LS and JC could've been up there and that's where a fight initiated.

Personally, I feel this was more drug related (vents removed) than a robbery given the only thing missing was $80 from a jar, WHICH I believe was not cash per se, but foreign currency and/or dinars...plus if they were looking for a safe that didn't exist, i highly doubt they would leave empty handed and would have taken jewelry, and I'm sure LS had a purse but that's not been mentioned.

I'm having an extremely hard time with Maytee's statements all in all. I just cannot understand how someone can be as detailed as she was when giving info to 911 and be so right about the info but completely wrong at the same time...i.e basement (close), LS shirt was off (close pants), cell phones on bodies (close strewn about), car is the driveway (close garage).

I also find it odd on the JVM interview how she stated that after the second time the police left she told her husband, '...we're going to wait until the police are gone and you're going to go back through this house.' Then JVM is thanking her for being honest about to go to break and she pops in with 'yes, and the third time the police was called is when I had my husband prop...' and then it
cuts to a commercial break.

Lastly, on the third 911 call, after knows her son has been murdered, a comment is made to the effect 'if they going to do something, why not just shoot them and leave them alone...' who the hell says that?

Don't get it, someone please try and explain...

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 03-14-2011

i don't know if this would explain any discrepancies that some have noticed, but a question to those who know her...is maytee's first language English? her spelling is so atrocious that i wonder if that is the problem. that, plus panic, could possibly account for differences in statements/declarations.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - kfran - 03-14-2011

As far as the "discrepancy" re: the "basement" I think it boils down to how one perceives the different levels of a home. Maytee could have referred to the ground floor as the basement because she knew there was an upstairs. For instance I have a 3 level home & we refer to the levels as upstairs, downstairs & basement.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ZEROSPHERES - 03-14-2011

(03-14-2011, 06:36 AM)kfran Wrote: I'm still curious as to why only (from what we've heard) the masterbedroom was "ransacked." Someone suggested that maybe Lisa was hiding in the MB closet & that's why there were holes in the walls. Maybe that is the case, not sure? But if she was getting ready to change, i.e. reason for "interband pants" wouldn't she be changing in her own bedroom? Why weren't the other bedrooms rummaged through? Did the perps hear the doorbell & leave before they got to go through the whole house?
I don't know, I'm beating my head against a wall like most other Mockers.


Thats where the panic button for the alarm system was. LS ran in there to activate it and the perps persued her. IMO

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - curious - 03-14-2011

(03-14-2011, 11:15 AM)kfran Wrote: As far as the "discrepancy" re: the "basement" I think it boils down to how one perceives the different levels of a home. Maytee could have referred to the ground floor as the basement because she knew there was an upstairs. For instance I have a 3 level home & we refer to the levels as upstairs, downstairs & basement.

Possibly, that is if she witnessed the scene prior to calling 911...or the cousin may have said basement, maybe it's common to have a kitchen in the basement...or language barrier? IDK anymore Smiley_emoticons_razz

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - curious - 03-14-2011

(03-14-2011, 11:32 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:
(03-14-2011, 06:36 AM)kfran Wrote: I'm still curious as to why only (from what we've heard) the masterbedroom was "ransacked." Someone suggested that maybe Lisa was hiding in the MB closet & that's why there were holes in the walls. Maybe that is the case, not sure? But if she was getting ready to change, i.e. reason for "interband pants" wouldn't she be changing in her own bedroom? Why weren't the other bedrooms rummaged through? Did the perps hear the doorbell & leave before they got to go through the whole house?
I don't know, I'm beating my head against a wall like most other Mockers.


Thats where the panic button for the alarm system was. LS ran in there to activate it and the perps persued her. IMO

Most logical scenario, and probably where she fought for her life. Does a panic button require a key to access?




RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 03-14-2011

no. it is implied from "panic" it's a button you just hit fast, not fumble around with a key while being attacked.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - kfran - 03-14-2011

(03-14-2011, 11:32 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:
(03-14-2011, 06:36 AM)kfran Wrote: I'm still curious as to why only (from what we've heard) the masterbedroom was "ransacked." Someone suggested that maybe Lisa was hiding in the MB closet & that's why there were holes in the walls. Maybe that is the case, not sure? But if she was getting ready to change, i.e. reason for "interband pants" wouldn't she be changing in her own bedroom? Why weren't the other bedrooms rummaged through? Did the perps hear the doorbell & leave before they got to go through the whole house?
I don't know, I'm beating my head against a wall like most other Mockers.


Thats where the panic button for the alarm system was. LS ran in there to activate it and the perps persued her. IMO

Ugh, this just makes me sick to my stomach. Can you imagine enduring whatever they did, all the while Lisa thinking, the cops will be here soon. And to think if they were still alive when the cops came to the house, to hear the door bell & yet be unable to do anything about it.
Heartbreaking & sickening.
If I were the parents, I'd be "what if'ing" my self to death.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - curious - 03-14-2011

(03-14-2011, 12:12 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: no. it is implied from "panic" it's a button you just hit fast, not fumble around with a key while being attacked.

One would think, so if that I in fact what occured, and it's been speculated the key found under LS went to an alarm box...how would that fit in the picture?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - sharit - 03-14-2011

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