(02-10-2011, 12:17 AM)efyou Wrote: I can't read .

i'm surprised, you seem able to write well enough.

one more time, you know who i am talking to...stop with the personal asides to Cracker that are unrelated to this case.

ALL the members here are valued members. well, almost all.

can't recall who to address this to...i have said/thought from day one Tiffany was a player here. and she is clearly dumb as a stump...but this is always good news for the investigators.
trouble is she may soon wise up, shut up and lawyer up if she is reading the internet.

(02-10-2011, 08:54 AM)jash Wrote: THis is NEW INFORMATION I think, The Toledo Blade has an article this morning quoting Jim Verbosky (Lisa's uncle the fire chief)
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110210/NEWS16/102100302M

Mr. Verbosky states that Lisa was STILL IN HER WORK UNIFORM, that she didn't even have time to change before she was killed and the family has stated that upon coming home, Lisa would ALWAYS immediately change....so IMO the perps were either waiting for them when they got home, or followed them right in the house.

(02-10-2011, 01:49 AM)sillyputty Wrote: One of Ms. T's bff's posted this on FB 2/1/11:

"Taken Christmas Night - I`m Glad I Spent Part Of My Christmas W. The Two Of You. & Lisa , I`m Glad We Had That Talk The Weekend Before You Passed. & Johnny , I`m Glad I Got To See You Just A Few Hours Before You Passed. I`m SOO Sorry You Guys Had To Go Through That. Your Both Forever In Our Hearts. Love You Johnny. "Live Everyday Like It`s Your Last , Because Tomorrow Isn`t Promised" Rest In Peace Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub ♥"

She also posted this:

", Damn Lifes Crazy. I Was Just W. You Lastnight. When You Left To Go Get Your Girl From Work I Never Would Of Guessed It'd Be The Last Time I Seen You. Rest In Peace Johnny ♥"

So to answer who were they partying with days/hours before their tragic death, Johnny's friends. I believe they were Johnny's friend's since she continues to post "Rest In Peace Johnny ♥" and not RIP Johnny and Lisa. Also, this girl also went to high school with Johnny not with Lisa. This is also weird, around 2/5/11 she became FB friends with Johnny's mother??

(02-10-2011, 09:41 AM)fabulous Wrote: there is like hardly any mention about LIsa out there in cyberspace... no random posts anywhere...nothing really substantial from her friends or family (until today)... (at least not that I've come across)...her FB page is still up... no obit (yet)...
anyone out there have any thoughts or ideas about maybe the intended victims were the Straubs?
or that they were into something... maybe that's why they have laid so low... maybe they know more, ALOT more... I'm finding it so hard to believe that some south end toledo 20 year old thugs would murder someone like this...
just cause you live in a big house and are upper middle class doesn't mean your nose is clean... just sayin'

(02-10-2011, 09:29 AM)browntabby1226 Wrote:

(02-10-2011, 08:54 AM)jash Wrote: THis is NEW INFORMATION I think, The Toledo Blade has an article this morning quoting Jim Verbosky (Lisa's uncle the fire chief)
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110210/NEWS16/102100302M

Mr. Verbosky states that Lisa was STILL IN HER WORK UNIFORM, that she didn't even have time to change before she was killed and the family has stated that upon coming home, Lisa would ALWAYS immediately change....so IMO the perps were either waiting for them when they got home, or followed them right in the house.

This little tidbit, to me, blows Tiff out of the water. She made that call to establish her "innocence" once the shit started to go down. It took her that long to call a friend cuz they had to come up with some sort of story. I am still convinced that tiff made up the whole "who are you" crap.

Jim Verbosky also states that the only thing taken was a change jar in the parents bedroom that roughly contained 84.00.

(02-10-2011, 09:58 AM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: One thing that stuck out to me, and I thought about it all night. This person states that she was just swimming with Lisa and Johnny days prior to their death. Now in Toledo, the only place to swim would be some sort of hotel/motel. With the experience I have with druggies (hometown is HUGE for druggies), hotels/motels are usually a druggies haven. Just makes me wonder what kind of "activities" they were taking part in the week prior to their death.

(02-10-2011, 10:54 AM)Kip Wrote:

(02-10-2011, 09:58 AM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: One thing that stuck out to me, and I thought about it all night. This person states that she was just swimming with Lisa and Johnny days prior to their death. Now in Toledo, the only place to swim would be some sort of hotel/motel. With the experience I have with druggies (hometown is HUGE for druggies), hotels/motels are usually a druggies haven. Just makes me wonder what kind of "activities" they were taking part in the week prior to their death.

I don't think they were swimming - I'm pretty sure the pool party refers to playing pool (on a pool table). I thought the same thing, though, when I first read about the pool party - who goes swimming in February in Ohio!

(02-10-2011, 10:51 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: This stuck out to me from the newest Blade article:

"They had four $20s and some singles in a change container and that was all that came up missing," he said, adding that the upstairs bedrooms had been ransacked. "They were obviously looking for something that they couldn't find."

Didn't Tiffany say the house was ransacked? HOW did she see the upstairs bedrooms ransacked??? Wasn't it previously the cabinets that were open & went through?

(02-10-2011, 10:50 AM)curious Wrote: does it say anywhere if any of JC's family were invited or went to the viewing for LS?

(02-10-2011, 10:56 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-10-2011, 10:54 AM)Kip Wrote:

(02-10-2011, 09:58 AM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: One thing that stuck out to me, and I thought about it all night. This person states that she was just swimming with Lisa and Johnny days prior to their death. Now in Toledo, the only place to swim would be some sort of hotel/motel. With the experience I have with druggies (hometown is HUGE for druggies), hotels/motels are usually a druggies haven. Just makes me wonder what kind of "activities" they were taking part in the week prior to their death.

I don't think they were swimming - I'm pretty sure the pool party refers to playing pool (on a pool table). I thought the same thing, though, when I first read about the pool party - who goes swimming in February in Ohio!

The girl this is referring to posted in a status on FB that she had just went swimming with them.
Lifes Too Short. It Was Just Last Weekend I Was Swimming W. Both Of You. And It Was Just A Couple Nights Ago I Sat On The Phone W. You Johnny & A Few Hours Before It Happened I Was Sitting Next To You.. And Now Your Gone, Both Of You. I Never Would Of Guessed Thatd Be The Last Time I Ever Seen You. Tomorrows Not Promised. Rest In Heaven Johnny & Lisa. Much Love ♥

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(02-10-2011, 10:58 AM)Kip Wrote:

(02-10-2011, 10:51 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: This stuck out to me from the newest Blade article:

"They had four $20s and some singles in a change container and that was all that came up missing," he said, adding that the upstairs bedrooms had been ransacked. "They were obviously looking for something that they couldn't find."

Didn't Tiffany say the house was ransacked? HOW did she see the upstairs bedrooms ransacked??? Wasn't it previously the cabinets that were open & went through?

I know Johnny's mother told the 911 operator that Sherita said that Tiffany had said the house had been ransacked. I'm not positive, but I don't think Tiffany said that in her account to the 911 operator - that was mostly about the phone call.

(02-10-2011, 10:50 AM)curious Wrote: does it say anywhere if any of JC's family were invited or went to the viewing for LS?

(02-10-2011, 10:54 AM)Kip Wrote:

(02-10-2011, 09:58 AM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: One thing that stuck out to me, and I thought about it all night. This person states that she was just swimming with Lisa and Johnny days prior to their death. Now in Toledo, the only place to swim would be some sort of hotel/motel. With the experience I have with druggies (hometown is HUGE for druggies), hotels/motels are usually a druggies haven. Just makes me wonder what kind of "activities" they were taking part in the week prior to their death.

I don't think they were swimming - I'm pretty sure the pool party refers to playing pool (on a pool table). I thought the same thing, though, when I first read about the pool party - who goes swimming in February in Ohio!

(02-10-2011, 11:06 AM)RaisingAPrince Wrote:

(02-10-2011, 10:54 AM)Kip Wrote:

(02-10-2011, 09:58 AM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: One thing that stuck out to me, and I thought about it all night. This person states that she was just swimming with Lisa and Johnny days prior to their death. Now in Toledo, the only place to swim would be some sort of hotel/motel. With the experience I have with druggies (hometown is HUGE for druggies), hotels/motels are usually a druggies haven. Just makes me wonder what kind of "activities" they were taking part in the week prior to their death.

I don't think they were swimming - I'm pretty sure the pool party refers to playing pool (on a pool table). I thought the same thing, though, when I first read about the pool party - who goes swimming in February in Ohio!

No. I'm not talking about a pool party. This person (who I can't name since she isn't directly related) stated she had been swimming with the couple.

From her FB

"Lifes Too Short. It Was Just Last Weekend I Was Swimming W. Both Of You. And It Was Just A Couple Nights Ago I Sat On The Phone W. You Johnny & A Few Hours Before It Happened I Was Sitting Next To You.. And Now Your Gone, Both Of You. I Never Would Of Guessed Thatd Be The Last Time I Ever Seen You. Tomorrows Not Promised. Rest In Heaven Johnny & Lisa. Much Love ♥"