Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Printable Version +- Mock (https://mockforums.net) +-- Forum: Serious Shit? (https://mockforums.net/forum-4.html) +--- Forum: Lady Cop's Cell Block - Crime Forum (https://mockforums.net/forum-21.html) +--- Thread: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered (/thread-4737.html) Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
237
238
239
240
241
242
243
244
245
246
247
248
249
250
251
252
253
254
255
256
257
258
259
260
261
262
263
264
265
266
267
268
269
270
271
272
273
274
275
276
277
278
279
280
281
282
283
284
285
286
287
288
289
290
291
292
293
294
295
296
297
298
299
300
301
302
303
304
305
306
307
308
309
310
311
312
313
314
315
316
317
318
319
320
321
322
323
324
325
326
327
328
329
330
331
332
333
334
335
336
337
338
339
340
341
342
343
344
345
346
347
348
349
350
351
352
353
354
355
356
357
358
359
360
361
362
363
364
365
366
367
368
369
370
371
372
373
374
375
376
377
378
379
380
381
382
383
384
385
386
387
388
389
390
391
392
393
394
395
396
397
398
399
400
401
402
403
404
405
406
407
408
409
410
411
412
413
414
415
416
417
418
419
420
421
422
423
424
425
426
427
428
429
430
431
432
433
434
435
436
437
438
439
440
441
442
443
444
445
446
447
448
449
450
451
452
453
454
455
456
457
458
459
460
461
462
463
464
465
466
467
468
469
470
471
472
473
474
475
476
477
478
479
480
481
482
483
484
485
486
487
488
489
490
491
492
493
494
495
496
497
498
499
500
501
502
503
504
505
506
507
508
509
510
511
512
513
514
515
516
517
518
519
520
521
522
523
524
525
526
527
528
529
530
531
532
533
534
535
536
537
538
539
540
541
542
543
544
545
546
547
548
549
550
551
552
553
554
555
556
557
558
559
560
561
562
563
564
565
566
567
568
569
570
571
572
573
574
575
576
577
578
579
580
581
582
583
584
585
586
587
588
589
590
591
592
593
594
595
596
597
598
599
600
601
602
603
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613
614
615
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625
626
627
628
629
630
631
632
633
634
635
636
637
638
639
640
641
642
643
644
645
646
647
648
649
650
651
652
653
654
655
656
657
658
659
660
661
662
663
664
665
666
667
668
669
670
671
672
673
674
675
676
677
678
679
680
681
682
683
684
685
686
687
688
689
690
691
692
693
694
695
696
697
698
699
700
701
702
703
704
705
706
707
708
709
710
711
712
713
714
715
716
717
718
719
720
721
722
723
724
725
726
727
728
729
730
731
732
733
734
735
736
737
738
739
740
741
742
743
744
745
746
747
748
749
750
751
752
753
754
755
756
757
758
759
760
761
762
763
764
765
766
767
768
769
770
771
772
773
774
775
776
777
778
779
780
781
782
783
784
785
786
787
788
789
790
791
792
793
794
795
796
797
798
799
800
801
802
803
804
805
806
807
808
809
810
811
812
813
814
815
816
817
818
819
820
821
822
823
824
825
826
827
828
829
830
831
832
833
834
835
836
837
838
839
840
841
842
843
844
845
846
847
848
849
850
851
852
853
854
855
856
857
858
859
860
861
862
863
864
865
866
867
868
869
870
871
872
873
874
875
876
877
878
879
880
881
882
883
884
885
886
887
888
889
890
891
892
893
894
895
896
897
898
899
900
901
902
903
904
905
906
907
908
909
910
911
912
913
914
915
916
917
918
919
920
921
922
923
924
925
926
927
928
929
930
931
932
933
934
935
936
937
938
939
940
941
942
943
944
945
946
947
948
949
950
951
952
953
954
955
956
957
958
959
960
961
962
963
964
965
966
967
968
969
970
971
972
973
974
975
976
977
978
979
980
981
982
983
984
985
986
987
988
989
990
991
992
993
994
995
996
997
998
999
1000
1001
1002
1003
1004
1005
1006
1007
1008
1009
1010
1011
1012
1013
1014
1015
1016
1017
1018
1019
1020
1021
1022
1023
1024
1025
1026
1027
1028
1029
1030
1031
1032
1033
1034
1035
1036
1037
1038
1039
1040
1041
1042
1043
1044
1045
1046
1047
1048
1049
1050
1051
1052
1053
1054
1055
1056
1057
1058
1059
1060
1061
1062
1063
1064
1065
1066
1067
1068
1069
1070
1071
1072
1073
1074
1075
1076
1077
1078
1079
1080
1081
1082
1083
1084
1085
1086
1087
1088
1089
1090
1091
1092
1093
1094
1095
1096
1097
1098
1099
1100
1101
1102
1103
1104
1105
1106
1107
1108
1109
1110
1111
1112
1113
1114
1115
1116
1117
1118
1119
1120
1121
1122
1123
1124
1125
1126
1127
1128
1129
1130
1131
1132
1133
1134
1135
1136
1137
1138
1139
1140
1141
1142
1143
1144
1145
1146
1147
1148
1149
1150
1151
1152
1153
1154
1155
1156
1157
1158
1159
1160
1161
1162
1163
1164
1165
1166
1167
1168
1169
1170
1171
1172
1173
1174
1175
1176
1177
1178
1179
1180
1181
1182
1183
1184
1185
1186
1187
1188
1189
1190
1191
1192
1193
1194
1195
1196
1197
1198
1199
1200
1201
1202
1203
1204
1205
1206
1207
1208
1209
1210
1211
1212
1213
1214
1215
1216
1217
1218
1219
1220
1221
|
RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - pplrcrazy - 04-16-2011 I think she really needs to stop ( Maytee)... She is completely out of line with the things that she has been posting lately. I understand her son was murdered but we have no proof that these 2 had anything to do with it and its almost like death threats that she is making.. Shes getting a little out of hand, and If im not mistaken just back in 2001 she was found guilty of domestic violence and she has a few run-ins with the law for B&E too so does that mean she is a killer too? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Miss Conspiracy - 04-16-2011 I think her emotions are just heightened right now because of Johnny's birthday. she was pretty quiet before this. hope she is getting plenty of support right now. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - justme - 04-16-2011 I am not going to pretend that I understand Maytee's grief,but she does have two other children to think about. All this hatred can't be good for them.They need their mother's support getting through this too. They lost a brother. Hopefully she won't turn the younger boys into the kind of thugs she's accusing on RIP RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - pplrcrazy - 04-16-2011 (04-16-2011, 01:00 PM)justme Wrote: I am not going to pretend that I understand Maytee's grief,but she does have two other children to think about. All this hatred can't be good for them.They need their mother's support getting through this too. They lost a brother. Hopefully she won't turn the younger boys into the kind of thugs she's accusing on RIP tooooootaaallly agree! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 04-16-2011 Maytee has a right to free speech. Unless she threatens to kill someone I don't see how she's done anything wrong. I don't know what the laws are regarding incitement. That there are even such laws is total bullshit. No doubt cooked up by control freak statists who think the words of one control the actions of another. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - WolfHouse - 04-16-2011 (04-16-2011, 02:48 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Maytee has a right to free speech. Unless she threatens to kill someone I don't see how she's done anything wrong. I don't know what the laws are regarding incitement. That there are even such laws is total bullshit. No doubt cooked up by control freak statists who think the words of one control the actions of another. I do not see the Pastor in Florida who burned the Koran being arrested for incitement. Obviously there is great latitude in interpretation. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 04-16-2011 that florida backwoods asshole may still be charged if they have it on the books. i hope he is. here is Ohio Law: i don't know how often it is used. 2917.01 Inciting to violence. (A) No person shall knowingly engage in conduct designed to urge or incite another to commit any offense of violence, when either of the following apply: (1) The conduct takes place under circumstances that create a clear and present danger that any offense of violence will be committed; (2) The conduct proximately results in the commission of any offense of violence. (B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of inciting to violence. If the offense of violence that the other person is being urged or incited to commit is a misdemeanor, inciting to violence is a misdemeanor of the first degree. If the offense of violence that the other person is being urged or incited to commit is a felony, inciting to violence is a felony of the third degree. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - IMaDick - 04-16-2011 (04-16-2011, 04:44 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: that florida backwoods asshole may still be charged if they have it on the books. i hope he is. Reading the law of that particular state, I can see some repercussion if one of those she clearly named is hurt or killed and the person who did the act says that it was based on a suggestion made by the other party. for this law to be effective strong credible evidence would be needed that the actor was acting under the direction or guidance of the speaker of such "WISHES" . and the speaker would have to be proven to have a "certianty" in a sense of "knowing" that such spoken "WISHES" would be taken up and carried out. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 04-16-2011 Miss Conspiracy, Damn I sure hope your post is wrong! I wonder if Maytee had not jumped on TW (you set up my son) and lets pretend that never happened! Would we have found out more from TW if Maytee had gone about this differently? TW picked up John Sr and drove him over to Longacre lane - was TW with this Mr. Z that evening? What was TW doing all Sunday evening while Johnny was over at VD's house - Maytee could have asked is 11 p.m. at night normal since TW had no wheels for Johnny and Lisa to go over and pick her up, by the time you drove back to the Straubs it would be getting closer to mid-night then what? play pool or party until 1 a.m. or 2 a.m. and then drive TW home -and Mr. Z if he was along? Maytee could have asked where was babydaddy at maybe he didn't even know? what was going on there - did he have exam papers? What store did TW go to that night? I am thinking VD was at the Cemetary yesterday I am of the opinion Maytee quizzed VD and questioned VD about Johnny that night at his home over and over. TW was supposed to be a friend of Johnny and Lisa. TW may know things Maytee doesn't know about the couple. TW could still hold key info., on these terrible murders was Lisa upset with anyone or scared? or Johnny scared? When TW borrowed the car to drive to Johnny and Lisa what did she tell the people she needed the car for? All of this is my opinion only. Sorry Conspiracy I was commenting on Post 15275 thanks! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 04-16-2011 I'll take the principals our Constitution were founded upon over some policy wonk, statute bullshit any day. As my (and others) mother used to say when I used the excuse of "they did it" to justify what I had done: Would you jump off a bridge if someone told you to? Of course, the answer is no. The incitement of one is NEVER responsible for the actions of another. LC, to hope that an American exercising his right to free speech, no matter what you think of that speech, is prosecuted because of the actions of the Taliban (or whoever the fuck) could not be any more anti American (in the Constitutional, Bill of Rights, Founding Fathers, American Revolution sense). I'm sorry but holding other people responsible for the actions of someone else is classic European anti freedom Big Brother. The founders said it in various ways - essentially: It's not the speech you agree with or that seems harmless that needs protection, it's the most controversial. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - IMaDick - 04-16-2011 (04-16-2011, 06:18 PM)shitstorm Wrote: I'll take the principals our Constitution were founded upon over some policy wonk, statute bullshit any day. The law has either passed constitutional muster or it remains untested in that capacity. some laws are in place as stepping stone laws, like licence plate lights and the almighty seat belt law. These laws are a way for the officer get close enough to smell your breath, look in your car and ask for paper work and run the driver and passengers for warrants. Not to mention a source of revenue for the city or county. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Adub - 04-16-2011 (04-16-2011, 04:44 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: here is Ohio Law: A gang fight or a bar room brawl. In Ohio it is usually reduced to obstructing official business.... RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 04-16-2011 Dick it has been tested by the Supremes. i'm not posting all that here. google is everyone's friend. despite "princiPLES" of the Constitution, i merely pointed out the statute IS on the books, like it or not. there are reasons for it. one cannot advocate violence with impunity. i question the wisdom of doing so in a public forum. and yes i sure do hope that backwoods "preacher" gets his ass handed to him. by a court of law of course. he is the proximate cause of brutal murders. some "free speech" is neither responsible or legal. like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - pplrcrazy - 04-16-2011 Justice Will Prevail for Johnny and Lisa You might be laughin now but very soon you will be cryin bloody tears TW skank n your spineless snake prince of darkness sewer trash bf n pathetic low lifes crew I PROMISE you hoes.... god law streets makes sure you all pay n die the worst slowest most painfull deaths ever....aahhh cnt wait to spit on your graves!!!!!!JUSTICE!!!!!!!! boy if they didnt do it, shes gonna feel like an idiot... RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - WolfHouse - 04-16-2011 Maytee certainly is taunting them. One wonders as to the real reason. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - pplrcrazy - 04-16-2011 (04-16-2011, 08:38 PM)WolfHouse Wrote: Maytee certainly is taunting them. One wonders as to the real Im not sure if she is doing this because she is desperate for an arrest or if she still really thinks they are involved because they have not been arrested and its going on like 2 1⁄2 months later or something... RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - pplrcrazy - 04-16-2011 I wish someone would comment on maytees page and ask her, " if your so sure that these two did this then why in the hell arent they under arrest? and why the hell have you been saying these same lines over and over for the past 2 damn months?" omgosh its soo aggrivating because LE doesnt say anything and then Maytee, well, it seems like all she is doing is just flapping her jaws and trying to stir the pot... If there was enough evidence then these 2 would have been arrested already, imo.. So in that case since maytee seems so sure of herself then what the hell is LE waiting on? There is something bigger going on here, or.... THERES NO LEADS. IMO.. A murdering like this and in this Age group, I cant see how its taking this long, it makes me believe more and more that this was a trained criminal and a much older person to pull this off.Just imo i would think that people in their age group would be to sloppy to pull this off with out leaving DNA because their little egos would get the best of them and they would be to full of themselves to make it clean, although some people would suprise you... RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - truth be told - 04-16-2011 (04-16-2011, 08:28 PM)pplrcrazy Wrote: Justice Will Prevail for Johnny and Lisa This is the real Maytee, full of pure hatred and will try to take actions into her own hands. I do know that she has been trying to work her mind control shit on some of these younger guys in the neighborhood, talking about retaliation. But as we all know if she really wants the truth to come out...then she should look into mirror and start talking. IMO RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - justme - 04-16-2011 (04-16-2011, 09:02 PM)truth be told Wrote:(04-16-2011, 08:28 PM)pplrcrazy Wrote: Justice Will Prevail for Johnny and Lisa WOW---YES---I totally agree with you!!!! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - WolfHouse - 04-16-2011 An excerpt from: The Blame Game By Manfred (Fred) Hein What is the Blame Game? Blaming is a self-defense mechanism. People react (personally, in a group, or as a corporation) when they are under pressure, when they make mistakes, when they are put into "uncomfortable" situations, or when they are attacked. They react in two basic ways (with variations) - they fight back (attack) or they withdraw. Blaming is used to deflect a problem, incident, situation and/or attention away from yourself. Blaming can have varying degrees of impact on the "blamee" - the individual or organization. In the extreme it can cause considerable harm. All of us need to reflect how we felt when we've been blaming targets. The images you see in Figures 1 - 4 come to my mind and fairly well represent some of the blaming intensity and the degrees of harm the Blame Game may cause. In Figure 1 we see a typical example of someone "pointing the finger at us" for a problem or situation we may or may not be the cause of. And we may feel like the proverbial "donkey". In Figure 2 the Blame Game increases in intensity and we may find ourselves the target of intimidating grilling tactics intended to "have us own-up" and admit we are the cause of the problem. Figure 3 represents an even more onerous Blame Game situation - wherein an individual or organization is constantly "keeping you under its thumb" by letting you know repeatedly how much of a screw-up" you are - i.e., an individual or organization that doesn't believe in a culture where making mistakes is tolerated. Figure 4 is the most damaging of all. It represents a blaming situation wherein a supposedly "trusted friend", maybe under pressure, deflects attention from himself/herself and hurts you terribly personally and/or professionally using blaming techniques. |