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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 04-16-2011

(04-16-2011, 10:54 PM)kitty1 Wrote:
(04-16-2011, 09:41 PM)NightOwl Wrote: I am being a bit cruel by saying this, but he or they wanted them dead IMO

I mentioned before that I was told by family that the tape did not come from the Straub home, but I was unsure about the bags. I asked the family today about the bags. I was told that neither the tape or bags came from the Straub home. To me that means, of course, that the intent was to murder. If they brought bags to carry out items they stole, I don't think they would have brought cheap plastic bags. IMO. I think the plan was to murder and while they were there they searched the house for any drugs, money or valuables.

That's interesting, Kitty. I think the murders were premeditated and not a robbery gone wrong. In the latter instance I think they would have been shot.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - pplrcrazy - 04-16-2011

(04-16-2011, 10:55 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
(04-16-2011, 10:48 PM)pplrcrazy Wrote:

She's a self described witch and she believes in life beyond the 3D world. Seems she also believes in a punishing God. I think she's off base on that but I agree about the karma. She's not creating good karma for herself, though. The pain and the hate are consuming her and it just shows how crimes like murder kill more than the immediate victims.

I understand completely how she can be upset and angry and all of the above, I mean she lost her damn son, what could be worse, but I dont believe in putting god and punishment in the same line together.. God says to forgive.. I know shes not going to forgive and deff not thsi early on but the hate has consumed her whole being... Like I said I know shes going through a whole lot but shes laying alot on the line by directing those messages to people who MAY NOT be involved... It is bad karma, speak for yourself, NOT GOD..

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - pplrcrazy - 04-16-2011

(04-16-2011, 10:59 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
(04-16-2011, 10:54 PM)kitty1 Wrote:
(04-16-2011, 09:41 PM)NightOwl Wrote: I am being a bit cruel by saying this, but he or they wanted them dead IMO

I mentioned before that I was told by family that the tape did not come from the Straub home, but I was unsure about the bags. I asked the family today about the bags. I was told that neither the tape or bags came from the Straub home. To me that means, of course, that the intent was to murder. If they brought bags to carry out items they stole, I don't think they would have brought cheap plastic bags. IMO. I think the plan was to murder and while they were there they searched the house for any drugs, money or valuables.

That's interesting, Kitty. I think the murders were premeditated and not a robbery gone wrong. In the latter instance I think they would have been shot.

I agree, I think it would have been a shooting at well.. from what i have seen most of these little thugs around toledo like guns and carry them frequently so the odds of them pulling this off is out of their character as far as im concerned but it could be the perfect way to through everyone off as well..

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 04-16-2011

Teacher, Tex Watson wrote an autobiography?! Holy crap. I'd like to read that. I think there is WAY more to the Manson story than the public knows about. Those murders put an end to the whole flower power/hippie/counter culture revolution and turned it into a dark and menacing thing.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 04-16-2011

(04-16-2011, 11:00 PM)pplrcrazy Wrote:
(04-16-2011, 10:55 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
(04-16-2011, 10:48 PM)pplrcrazy Wrote:

She's a self described witch and she believes in life beyond the 3D world. Seems she also believes in a punishing God. I think she's off base on that but I agree about the karma. She's not creating good karma for herself, though. The pain and the hate are consuming her and it just shows how crimes like murder kill more than the immediate victims.

I understand completely how she can be upset and angry and all of the above, I mean she lost her damn son, what could be worse, but I dont believe in putting god and punishment in the same line together.. God says to forgive.. I know shes not going to forgive and deff not thsi early on but the hate has consumed her whole being... Like I said I know shes going through a whole lot but shes laying alot on the line by directing those messages to people who MAY NOT be involved... It is bad karma, speak for yourself, NOT GOD..

yeah, and that's why she needs serious help. Lots of people are destroyed by the murder of a loved one. I think I'd have a nervous breakdown.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - blueberryhill - 04-16-2011

The night of the murders, when Maytee couldn't reach Johnny, she asked if he had
been kidnapped (I can't get that out of my head). In my opinion, something was planned
that night; maybe, a fake abduction, a robbery, etc. As her own guilt deepens, she turns
on TW/AG and publicly accuses them of the crime (all to distract attention from her). IMO
They may well be guilty but as someone earlier mentioned, why
haven't they been arrested?
Do you think they are going to wait until TW has her baby before giving her the polygraph?
Totally agree with Wolfhouse re blame game. Her accusations are growing in intensity, tone, etc.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 04-16-2011

(04-16-2011, 10:54 PM)kitty1 Wrote:
(04-16-2011, 09:41 PM)NightOwl Wrote: I am being a bit cruel by saying this, but he or they wanted them dead IMO

I mentioned before that I was told by family that the tape did not come from the Straub home, but I was unsure about the bags. I asked the family today about the bags. I was told that neither the tape or bags came from the Straub home. To me that means, of course, that the intent was to murder. If they brought bags to carry out items they stole, I don't think they would have brought cheap plastic bags. IMO. I think the plan was to murder and while they were there they searched the house for any drugs, money or valuables.

Kitty1 Wow! That is so good of you letting us know about the bags!
Thanks.


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - pplrcrazy - 04-16-2011

(04-16-2011, 11:29 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: The night of the murders, when Maytee couldn't reach Johnny, she asked if he had
been kidnapped (I can't get that out of my head). In my opinion, something was planned
that night; maybe, a fake abduction, a robbery, etc. As her own guilt deepens, she turns
on TW/AG and publicly accuses them of the crime (all to distract attention from her). IMO
They may well be guilty but as someone earlier mentioned, why
haven't they been arrested?
Do you think they are going to wait until TW has her baby before giving her the polygraph?
Totally agree with Wolfhouse re blame game. Her accusations are growing in intensity, tone, etc.

That was me that said it I believe... I totally agree with you.. Its getting worse.. I also sometimes wonder if she is using them because it was perfect chance to since TW was due to hang out with them that night and not to mention their records as well as they way they act.. They are easy targets to pin something on IMO.. I mentioned this the other night...

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Older Than Dirt - 04-16-2011

I was going to post her last post, but I didn't because she has posted an evil picture that won't copy.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 04-17-2011

(04-16-2011, 11:57 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: I was going to post her last post, but I didn't because she has posted an evil picture that won't copy.

i got it. i'll keep my opinion to myself. she's clearly unbalanced in her grief.

Maytee:

evil demons TW n your crew this is how you will be devoured i promise



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 04-17-2011

Kitty1, Did Mr & Mrs Straub find any gold or silver items missing watches, rings, bracelets - Silver Coffee Service etc., ? If any little thing was missing it may crop up down the road in a pawn shop - antique shop. The little dog Gotti may know the killer/s. I pray for the Straubs for this is a terrible deal.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Older Than Dirt - 04-17-2011

LC, You're right on top of everything!!!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 04-17-2011

(04-17-2011, 12:05 AM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: LC, You're right on top of everything!!!

thankyou very much~~i try.

it's an odd mixture of Jesus and voodoo to be certain.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - WolfHouse - 04-17-2011

How absurd. That reminds me of 8th grade crap.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 04-17-2011

(04-17-2011, 12:16 AM)Lady Cop Wrote:
(04-17-2011, 12:05 AM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: LC, You're right on top of everything!!!

thankyou very much~~i try.

it's an odd mixture of Jesus and voodoo to be certain.

Sick stuff

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 04-17-2011

(04-17-2011, 12:58 AM)shitstorm Wrote:
(04-17-2011, 12:16 AM)Lady Cop Wrote:
(04-17-2011, 12:05 AM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: LC, You're right on top of everything!!!

thankyou very much~~i try.

it's an odd mixture of Jesus and voodoo to be certain.

Sick stuff

Bizzare

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 04-17-2011

Voodoo, Santaria, and all that blood sacrifice, superstitious African crap, mixed with Catholicism, for the most part, is about as primitive and un-spiritual as it gets. It's mostly about revenge.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - trixie - 04-17-2011

Creepy! Wtf?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 04-17-2011

(04-17-2011, 02:03 AM)trixie Wrote: Creepy! Wtf?

Demons, that's what.

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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 04-17-2011

(04-16-2011, 06:46 PM)IMaDick Wrote: The law has either passed constitutional muster or it remains untested in that capacity.

some laws are in place as stepping stone laws, like licence plate lights and the almighty seat belt law.


TWELVE TRUTHS ABOUT LEGISLATION
1) Any law the electorate sees as being open to being perverted from its original intent will be perverted in a manner that exceeds the manner of perversion seen at the time.
2) Any law that is so difficult to pass it requires the citizens be assured it will not be a stepping stone to worse laws will in fact be a stepping stone to worse laws.
3) Any law that requires the citizens be assured the law does not mean what the citizens fear, means exactly what the citizens fear.
4) Any law passed in a good cause will be interpreted to apply to causes against the wishes of the people.
5) Any law enacted to help any one group will be applied to harm people not in that group.
6) Everything the government says will never happen will happen.
7) What the government says it could not foresee, the government has planned for.
8) When there is a budget shortfall to cover non-essential government services the citizens will be given the choice between higher taxes or the loss of essential government services.
9) Should the citizens mount a successful effort to stop a piece of legislation the same legislation will be passed under a different name.
10) All deprivations of freedom and choice will be increased rather than reversed.
11) Any government that has to build safeguards into a law so that it will not be abused is providing guidelines for abusing the law without violating it.
12) Any legislator up for re-election will vote against a bad law if and only if there are enough other votes to pass it.


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