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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 03-12-2012

it seems destiny madrid has been released. i'm as surprised as anyone. i hope it means she gave up what the Detectives wanted.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - heartbreaker6713 - 03-12-2012

(03-12-2012, 11:18 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: it seems destiny madrid has been released. i'm as surprised as anyone. i hope it means she gave up what the Detectives wanted.

is there anyway to know if she has or when will we know this? at trial only? if she didn't give the info up why else would they have let her go? couldn't possibly be waiting to bring other charges against at a later time right? wouldn't they just add or change the charges?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 03-12-2012

it may well be that the court had to fish or cut bait for now due to time considerations, since she hasn't been indicted yet.
i do NOT think her legal troubles are over.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Older Than Dirt - 03-12-2012

I'm thinking Maytee doesn't know about this or she'd be spitting bullets!!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 03-12-2012

(03-12-2012, 04:27 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: I'm thinking Maytee doesn't know about this or she'd be spitting bullets!!

she knows.

it's pretty damn stunning to go from a half-million dollar bond to walking out the door.
the hoodrats are going to wonder what she gave up.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - sharit - 03-12-2012

(03-12-2012, 04:45 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [quote='Older Than Dirt' pid='229353' dateline='1331584059']
I'm thinking Maytee doesn't know about this or she'd be spitting bullets!!

she knows.

it's pretty damn stunning to go from a half-million dollar bond to walking out the door.
the hoodrats are going to wonder what she gave up.


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You have that right LC. She better move far away. All the rats are nervous now!


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 03-13-2012

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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 03-13-2012



She's finished in that town. She'll never be trusted again & neither will anyone she associates with. She's persona non grata.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Adub - 03-13-2012

I don't think Madrid gave up anything. The Grand Jury evidently felt the evidence and witnesses against Madrid were not enough to indict. End of story, no indictment, she walked. I guess the 7 subpoenas that were issued by the state did not add up to a ham sandwich. Evidently the "witnesses" favored the defense. I bet the prosecutors are pissed.

If Madrid made some kind of deal, I would think that she would have had to do it before it went before the Grand Jury. It would appear that it went before the Grand Jury and they came back with "no bill".

And Williams motion to suppress his in-custody statement was granted.


3/12/2012 10 Title : EVT:ORD FILE/JOUR $ EFF9/24/03
MOTION TO SUPPRESS #D8 AT STATE'S EXPENSES GRANTED
E JOURNALIZED 03-13-12
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

Score 2 points for the defendants.

The latest fight is for the defendants to discover the names of the 2 confidential informants. With both judges having the motion before them it will be interesting to see the outcome.


















RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 03-13-2012

(03-13-2012, 07:50 PM)Adub Wrote: to discover the names of the 2 confidential informants.


That bothers me a great deal. The courts might as well put a bulls eye on them. They deserve to be protected, given where they come from it will probably be a death sentence.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 03-13-2012

our Constitution provides for defendants to confront their accusers. it will all become known in trial.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 03-13-2012



I think we may have had this conversation before, your response sounds familiar to me. Smiley_emoticons_slash



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Adub - 03-13-2012

To know your accuser(s) is a basic right. But then the crime tip lines say that all information will remain confidential. That never made much sense to me. It cannot go both ways, imho.

It's just too bad that the info that the "confidential" informants gave didn't lead to some solid evidence. Can you imagine if Pettaway and Williams walk? If the arrest is based primarly on witness statements then the State of Ohio may have a problem. Witnesses can be unreliable. Especially, if it is second hand information.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 03-13-2012

(03-13-2012, 08:13 PM)Adub Wrote: the crime tip lines say that all information will remain confidential.


I think that might be where my confusion lies, lays, ugh, fuck if I know.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 03-13-2012

i believe they have more solid evidence than 'witnesses'. in fact, second-hand is hearsay. but get one principal to turn on another...? supported by forensics? whoohoo.

again...i do not think madrid is out of the woods.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Older Than Dirt - 03-13-2012


I'm trying real hard to understand all of this. I even maximize the print to 150 percent to make sure these old eyes don't miss anything. I just don't get it! I would have thought the court dockets would have at least made mention of a grand jury.





How Does a Grand Jury Operate?

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Q: How does a grand jury operate?
A: In carrying out its two functions of reviewing criminal charges which have been brought by police and prosecutors and conducting investigations of possible criminal behavior, the grand jury meets in secret, behind closed doors. Its proceedings are usually one-sided, and are very different from a trial. Unlike a public trial, the accused person is not present (unless he or she is called as a witness), nor is his/her counsel present (even if he is called as a witness). Also, witnesses are not cross-examined. Not even a judge is present in the grand jury room, although a judge will be contacted if a witness refuses to answer a question and the prosecutor wishes to cite the witness for contempt.

The prosecutor presents the state's case by asking the witness questions. The grand jurors also may ask questions, but neither the actual eyewitness to an alleged crime nor the alleged victim of that crime need to appear as witnesses. The rules that apply in court to exclude most hearsay evidence (evidence provided by someone who did not actually witness the crime) do not apply in the grand jury room. Therefore, a police officer may simply testify as to what eye-witnesses and alleged victims have said.

Further, information obtained by illegal police investigation, unconstitutional surveillance, or by unreliable means, can be heard and relied upon by grand jurors, even though that information would not be admissible if the case proceeded to trial. Finally, even if a prosecutor knows of information which would help show that the accused person is innocent, he is not required to present it to the grand jury. So, while two sides are presented in a trial, it may be that only one side will be presented in a grand jury proceeding.

Grand jury proceedings usually remain secret, unless a witness chooses to disclose what happened in the grand jury room while he/she was testifying. Conclusions made by a grand jury are made known by what it does: a grand jury issues a bill of indictment if it finds probable cause to believe both that a crime has been committed and that the accused person is responsible, or a "no-bill" if it does not find probable cause. The grand jury also may issue a report at the conclusion of its term, in which its members may make recommendations about improving the justice system.

Q: What does it mean when someone is "indicted"?
A: Just because someone is indicted does not mean he or she is guilty of any crime. As described above, the grand jury process is simply a means of charging someone with a crime, and the grand jury's decisions are based merely on probable cause. The grand jury's decisions are not held to the much higher standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt that must apply to convict a person at a trial. Further, the nature of the evidence the grand jury may rely on is quite different, and little if any defense information is presented. One can expect, therefore, that the grand jury will charge many more people than will be convicted. That is its function--to initiate and, to a limited extent, screen cases to determine which should go forward.

Q: What happens if a person is indicted?
A: An indicted person will enter a plea to the charges. If a person proceeds to trial, he or she is presumed innocent. It will then be the trial judge or jury, a different body, which will decide whether or not to convict. That decision will be made only after all of the lawfully admitted evidence from both sides has been heard and it is determined that the accused person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 03-13-2012

I cannot find anything about Crime Stoppers in Toledo Ohio just you can remain anonymous, you will remain anonymous or contact Crime Stoppers if you prefer to remain anonymous. Nothing is clearly stated where your identity will never be revealed.

Here is Monroe, Michigan which is next door to Toledo Ohio and their Crime Stoppers information & a little history yet on Crime Stoppers and how it began.

MONROE COUNTY GOV.,

Crime Stoppers

Crime Stoppers Pays Cash Rewards For Information That Leads To An Arrest And Charges In Any Unsolved Crime
We need your help.
If you know anything about any criminal activity, call Crime Stoppers. No one will ask your name and you may earn a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest and felony indictment. You will not be required to testify, and you will never be identified.

Questions and answers about Crime Stoppers
What is Crime Stoppers?
Crime Stoppers is a non-profit program relying on cooperation between the Police Department, news media, and citizens of Monroe County. Crime Stoppers encourages people to call the Police Department with information to solve ANY crimes already committed or those about to occur. Rewards of up to $5,000 are available to callers if the information they supply results in an arrest and indictment of a criminal.
How did Crime Stoppers begin?
In July 1976 in Albuquerque, New Mexico, a university student was killed during a gas station robbery. After six weeks of investigation the police had very few leads in the case. Police Detective Greg MacAleese thought that if the people were able to observe a re-enactment of the crime on television, this might lead to someone providing valuable information.
Greg MacAleese was right. A caller contacted the Police Department the next day after seeing the re-enactment. The tip information was enough to lead the police to the two men who were responsible. Within 72 hours of the re-enactment being aired, the police had solved the murder. This was the beginning of Crime Stoppers.
Since the program started in 1976, there are now more than 950 Crime Stoppers programs worldwide. More than 425,000 crimes have been solved since its inception and over $2.9 billion worth of stolen property and narcotics has been seized. Locally, the Rochester Crime Stoppers program also has been very successful. In the past four years, more than 1,880 calls were made to the hotline, and the information from those calls resulted in 361 arrests.
How does Crime Stoppers work?
The Crime Stoppers tip line is manned by trained police personnel who receive, process, and pass on tip information to investigating officers. Callers are given a code number, which is used in all subsequent calls, and callers do not have to identify themselves.
A cash reward is offered to anyone providing information that leads to an arrest and indictment for a crime. Rewards may also be made for information leading to the recovery of stolen property, the seizure of illegal drugs or an arrest on an outstanding warrant.
The media is a very important component of Crime Stoppers. An unsolved crime may be re-enacted and shown on television or may be publicized in a newspaper or aired on the radio. The media also brings the program to the attention of the public.
Who runs the Crime Stoppers program?
Crime Stoppers is governed and administered by a volunteer Board of Directors, a group of local business and professional people concerned with the safety of our community. Crime Stoppers is a non-profit corporation and is responsible for raising funds and the disbursements of rewards. The Board of Directors works in close cooperation with the Police Department and all areas of the media.
What does it cost? How is the Crime Stoppers program funded?
Crime Stoppers is very cost-effective. It’s a Community Project supported by donations of money, goods, and services. Contributions from individuals, private sources, corporations, clubs, professional associations, retailers, and civic and social groups keep the Crime Stoppers program up and running. All donations to Crime Stoppers are tax-deductible.
Who benefits from Crime Stoppers?
We all do. When citizens become involved in policing their community and make a strong contribution in solving crime, Monroe County becomes a better place to live.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 03-13-2012

(03-13-2012, 08:02 PM)Duchess Wrote:
(03-13-2012, 07:50 PM)Adub Wrote: to discover the names of the 2 confidential informants.


That bothers me a great deal. The courts might as well put a bulls eye on them. They deserve to be protected, given where they come from it will probably be a death sentence.

I agree! I am fearful for the informants this is not good!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Adub - 03-14-2012

(03-13-2012, 09:35 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: I'm trying real hard to understand all of this. I even maximize the print to 150 percent to make sure these old eyes don't miss anything. I just don't get it! I would have thought the court dockets would have at least made mention of a grand jury.

At the top part it says "no bill", to my understanding, that is the finding by the Grand Jury. I was hoping that things fell a part before it reached the Grand Jury. But, I do not think that is the case. Or why else would it say "no bill"? It is just an assumption on my part.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Older Than Dirt - 03-14-2012

DO NOT, research No Bill or No True Bill!!!!!!! You'll find a different answer on every site. They range from basically case closed, record wiped clean to all sorts of complicated answers. Well, this does it ! I don't want to play attorney.