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RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - Maggot - 12-08-2015
It will take more than executive action to change an amendment. And saying "most" Americans agree with it may be a stretch. Quite a few things the Dems say "most" Americans want is not so. Hillary voted for the Iraq war because everyone else was not because of her "conscious". It just wasn't politically advantageous and most Americans really did want it. Either way war should not be left up to one person anyways.
At least with Bush at the helm it came to a vote. As did Obamacare, which was by far a more partisan affair.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - HairOfTheDog - 12-08-2015
Passing most gun control proposals doesn't require changing an amendment, Maggot.
There are already Supreme Court rulings allowing for regulations and controls.
It would require a Constitutional amendment to repeal the right to bear arms for defensive purposes, however banning all firearms has not been proposed.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - Maggot - 12-08-2015
An old guy told me today that the safest place to be is at a gun show. But what does he know?
Trump is viable not that I would vote for him but ya never know.
The thing is is that any president that gets in with 52% is still gonna have 48% against them. Get someone in there with even 70% and then something may happen but It ain't happening this cycle.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - Cutz - 12-09-2015
(12-08-2015, 04:27 PM)Duchess Wrote:(12-08-2015, 04:19 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: 4 (or 8) more years of this and we will be in a world of hurt.
What are you worried about exactly? I'm just curious. I see a lot people concerned Hillary will be the next Prez but I rarely see anyone elaborate on why.
I don't trust her. Not even a little. Her personality reminds me of Dick Cheney... who reminded me of Bond villains.
Pretty awful choices this round if the frontrunners are the options.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - HairOfTheDog - 12-27-2015
Sexism in Politics
This could get ugly.
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Clinton said after last weekend’s Democratic primary debate in New Hampshire that husband and former President Clinton would join the campaign trail in January and called him her “not-so-secret weapon.”
“We’re going to cover as much ground in New Hampshire as we possibly can, see as many people, thank everyone who’s going to turn out and vote for me to try to get some more to join them,” she said.
Clinton is the clear Democratic frontrunner but remains in a close race with primary challenger Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in Iowa, which holds the first-in-the-nation balloting Feb. 1, and in New Hampshire, where voters go the polls eight days later.
Trump on Wednesday tweeted in response: “Hillary, when you complain about ‘a penchant for sexism,’ who are you referring to. I have great respect for women." He also wrote in capital letters, “BE CAREFUL!”
Trump spokeswoman Katrina Pierson has suggested that the campaign will make an issue of Bill Clinton’s past behavior if his wife continues with the sexist accusations. Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/26/hillary-puts-secret-weapon-bill-on-campaign-trail-fueling-sexism-feud-with-trump.html
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Clinton doesn't need to tell us that Trump is a sexist; thinking women (and men) know that already. I think Hillary should stop beating that drum and feeding the dipshit Donald with ammunition to attack Bill Cinton if she's gonna put her husband on the campaign trail.
Bill could be a real asset given his charm, economic record, and popularity with Democrats. But, he also has a lot of baggage when it comes to women and it would help Trump more than Hillary if the focus turned away from her and onto a battle of the sexists, in my opinion.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - Maggot - 12-28-2015
Hillary is as crass and belligerent as Trump, just not in the open. She reminds me of the owner of a company I visited once. He would shake a guys hand wish them Merry Christmas and when they were out of earshot say "fire that prick" Trump says it to their face.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - HairOfTheDog - 12-28-2015
I don't know what Hillary Clinton, or any other public figure, is really like behind closed doors. I only know what some people who have personal access claim.
There are people who know Donald Trump claiming on the record that what he's feeding the public now is not at all in-line with his private views and claims; he just wants to win or see how far he can take it and knows how to game an audience.
Anyway, I don't care much about whether candidates are sweet, surly, or anything else on their own time. When they're representing the United States and its people as the elected leader of our country, I prefer someone who displays intelligence and knowledge of the subject matter, and doesn't sound like a dipshit to anyone who's not a dipshit. I'd take Hillary over Trump any old day when it comes to on-the-job political knowledge and professionalism.
Political correctness doesn't bother me unless I think it's wrong in specific topical context. It's not always wrong.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - Blindgreed1 - 12-28-2015
(12-09-2015, 02:03 AM)Cutz Wrote:Same. I couldn't cast a vote for either and sleep at night.(12-08-2015, 04:27 PM)Duchess Wrote:(12-08-2015, 04:19 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: 4 (or 8) more years of this and we will be in a world of hurt.
What are you worried about exactly? I'm just curious. I see a lot people concerned Hillary will be the next Prez but I rarely see anyone elaborate on why.
I don't trust her. Not even a little. Her personality reminds me of Dick Cheney... who reminded me of Bond villains.
Pretty awful choices this round if the frontrunners are the options.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - HairOfTheDog - 01-23-2016
I'm glad Bernie didn't listen to pundits who claimed he had to smear Clinton in order to maintain a viable campaign.
It would have been counter to his "stick to the issues" focus. His ability to capture a larger support base and compete with Hillary has surprised me, in a good way.
The next and final Democratic debate will be held Monday night at 9 p.m. ET on CNN. Clinton is going into it in a weaker position than many predicted; Jimbone and pappy not among them.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - HairOfTheDog - 01-23-2016
Snip:
For Hillary Clinton, it’s starting to look like deja vu all over again.
Start a bid for the Democratic presidential nomination as giant front-runner. Check. Raise tens of millions of dollars and look unbeatable for large swaths of the year before the primaries start. Check. An insurgent challenger running to her ideological left? Check. Collapsing poll numbers on the eve of actual votes? Check.
Over the past week or so, Clinton has watched as her national polling lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), a self-avowed socialist, has shrunk. And, far more important, Clinton’s standing vis-a-vis Sanders in the key early-voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire has eroded as well.
In Iowa, after holding a high-single-digit lead (at worst) for months, Clinton now finds herself in a dead heat with the caucuses just over a week away. The Real Clear Politics polling average gives Clinton an edge of less than five points.
Sanders has always run stronger in New Hampshire than in Iowa, but of late several polls suggest that he is widening his steady lead over the former secretary of state. In the Real Clear Politics polling average, Sanders is up by almost 13 points.
Lose both of those states early next month, and Clinton’s inevitability bubble bursts. Period.
Clinton, to her credit, is doing everything she can to avoid a repeat of 2008. She’s savaging Sanders as both too conservative (on guns) and too pie-in-the-sky liberal (on health care).
Complicating those efforts is the news that broke midweek: The intelligence community’s inspector general confirmed that dozens of emails on the private server Clinton used while she was at the State Department contained extremely highly classified information.
Full story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/who-had-the-worst-week-in-washington-hillary-clinton/2016/01/21/8bc5d816-c05e-11e5-9443-7074c3645405_story.html
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - HairOfTheDog - 02-09-2016
I'm getting more put-off by Hillary Clinton as the campaign progresses.
I like her qualifications and would still vote for her over most of the other candidates, but I think she's off-base when it comes to women voters, and when it comes to Bernie Sanders.
I would like to see a female President, and I'm very turned off by women who seem to dislike and compete with other women on the reg. But, I'm not voting for a woman to run the country unless I think she's the best person to run the country. That doesn't mean that I'm going to hell, as Madeline Albright quipped. Albright actually said that women who don't help other women deserve a special place in hell when referring to women who aren't committed to voting for Hillary. Eat me, Madeline.
Then Gloria Steinem tells Bill Maher that the only reason Bernie Sanders is getting the huge majority of the young female Democratic vote is because young girls go where the boys are and the boys are with Bernie. Those words from her mouth shocked me. I appreciate what Gloria has done over the decades to advance women's rights and promote equality. But, I think her disappointment that the chances of her candidate becoming the first female President next year are not as inalienable as she'd expected is making her sound like an ageist and sexist herself. Bernie Sanders has been fighting for equal rights (for women, blacks, gays) since before it was cool or politically prudent, since way before then. And the assertion that young women are supporting a presidential candidate because they think boys like that candidate is false and out of touch, in my opinion. Gloria has since retracted her comment.
Next Bill Clinton hits the campaign trail and starts talking about how some on-line Sanders supporters are "trolling" Hillary in profane ways and accuses Sanders of smearing Hillary. Well, some people believe that the 'Bernie Bros', as they're known, are really pro-Hillary folks planted by the Clintons or the DNC to hurt the Sanders campaign. I think it's more likely that there is a small but vocal group of Sanders supporters who are idiots and are saying stupid shit about Hillary Clinton because she's the competition. In any case, Sanders isn't saying that shit. And, when he was asked about it by a reporter, he unequivocally said that he doesn't want the support of anybody making sexist remarks against Hillary Clinton, period. No excuses, no hesitation.
I hope Hillary Clinton moves away from her current campaign strategies and starts focusing more on her qualifications and her positions/plans on the key issues. I think the current strategy is working against her. At least it is for me.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - Duchess - 02-09-2016
(02-09-2016, 03:36 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: That doesn't mean that I'm going to hell, as Madeline Albright quipped. Albright actually said that women who don't help other women deserve a special place in hell when referring to women who aren't committed to voting for Hillary. Eat me, Madeline.
I saw something about this Sunday morning but it was only the part where she said, "there is a special place in hell for women who don't support other women". At the time, I thought it was said as a general statement, I didn't realize she was referring to those who don't vote for Hillary. I came in at the end of the segment, I didn't see what came before that. Madeline was being interviewed and I only caught a very brief moment of it.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - HairOfTheDog - 02-09-2016
Albright has used that quote for many years.
She applied it directly to female voters who aren't committed to Hillary Clinton last week.
When hit up about it later, she essentially said that since she herself and Hillary have done so much to pave the way for women that women should be rallying around Hillary.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - sally - 02-09-2016
I don't think I owe Hillary a damn thing and I don't think she's done a damn thing for me. I like Bernie better, but I think in the end I'd go with Hillary because I think she's the tougher, more qualified candidate. The fact she's a woman influences it a little, but not enough if she didn't have the experience that she does.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - Duchess - 02-10-2016
I've always looked at Madeline as being very astute but her using that phrase in regards to Hillary is not very smart. It's off putting to many women.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - Maggot - 02-10-2016
Did Hillary lose to an old fart last night? Did Trump get more votes than her?
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - QueenBee - 02-10-2016
(02-10-2016, 09:30 AM)Maggot Wrote: Did Hillary lose to an old fart last night? Did Trump get more votes than her?
Yes, and probably. BUT, The old fart beat out Trumps numbers, so that is a good sign.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - Maggot - 02-10-2016
Trump got 97,000 votes Hillary got 90,000 Bernie got around 129,000 I'm rounding numbers here though.
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - HairOfTheDog - 02-16-2016
Hillary seems to have a sizable lead over Bernie in South Carolina (with Trump leading by more than ten poll points for the Republicans).
The Nevada primary looks to be much closer on the Democratic side. If it's as close as Iowa, the Hookers for Hillary might just push her to victory. Here's their 4 point endorsement video (and shameless promo).
RE: HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - Duchess - 02-19-2016
Has anyone heard of superdelegates? I ask because I don't recall ever hearing of them before this year. If what I'm reading is true, Hillary has 481 to Bernie's 55. That's a sizable difference and if they continue to back her then Bernie will have to win the remaining primaries by a landslide just to catch up.