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Thanks for the info Duchess and Cutz; really helpful to someone who mostly watches only the playoff games and Superbowl. I'm ignorant about the off-the-field aspects of the sport.

Based on what I know now...

I don't think there's anyway that the DEA drug investigation can be looked at completely separately from the concussion/injury suit if one of the now uncapped on-going health issues covered in the suit is addiction to pain pills that the players acquired on-the-job.

And, I don't find it hard to believe that players who weren't done wrong during their NFL tenures would still toss their names into the list of civil suit litigants -- the same thing happens with all class action lawsuits. Sometimes a fair amount of scammers and opportunists profit off those who have legitimate complaints.

Amazing to me any player could run the ball with a broken ankle (or even a sprained one), pain killers or not. Even harder to imagine any player in any position being able to continue playing with a broken neck, but truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

The thought of players being misled about what drugs they were taking and illegally doped up by doctors in order to maximize profit is disturbing to me, don't get me wrong. But, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if a good percentage of pro athletes would (and probably do) continue playing even knowing the health risks and knowing exactly what drugs they are taking. Don't most of the NFL players make very large salaries, in part, for taking those health risks?

Anyway, if the doctors end up getting skewered by the DEA and the practice of pushing the players to carry on with serious injuries by masking them with pain killers stops, do you think that the game will change? Will there potentially be a lot more players on the field in any given game than there are now?

P.s. If football fans are like us basketball fans, sometimes you find yourselves turning your backs on key players who are out with injuries when the team relies on them. It's not usually right, but it's not uncommon. I bet that kinda drives some of the players to push their bodies beyond reasonable limits, too.





07-15-2014 07:24 PM
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Football today isn't nearly as rough as it was when I was a kid, there are way more rules, rules that were put in place to keep players safe, for lack of a better word. It hasn't been that long since I've heard people say that if it got any more safe it might as well be touch football.






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Are most of the players named in the suit old-timers?

I guess if football is really safe, the DEA won't find much illegal pill pushing by the doctors -- there wouldn't be a big need for it.

I hope the investigation reveals that the problem is fairly limited. It sucks for the fans when sports are tainted by scandals.

P.s. Donald Sterling has again renewed his vow to fight his wife and the NBA over the Ballmer deal -- in Federal Court. My Clippers are in owner limbo following the best season in their history. Sucks.





07-15-2014 08:17 PM
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There's a great subplot in the movie, Any Given Sunday, where the old doc is just doping some players with shots and the new doc comes in and goes - that's not right... gets the old doc fired. Then -




And then later, they're telling the guy the full extent of his injuries, like 'you could be paralyzed for life and have serious brain injury if you hit your neck the wrong way,' and he's like, 'but I can still play right? Please. I only need 2 more tackles and 1 sack and I get a 2 million dollar bonus!'

It's fictional, but that's how real life goes too. There was a DT for the Eagles named Mike Patterson - he had a seizure in training camp and was diagnosed with AVM. It's an abnormal vein connection to your brain. Serious risk to play sports, like hemorrhage in your brain causing death risk. This dude literally went around and found a doc that cleared him to play. Started 15 games that season (missed the last game of the season for another illness) and THEN went out and had surgery in January after the season. Wasn't even cleared for Camp 6 months later...

The old days, players wouldn't come out for concussions or would be back on the field in like 2 days, because players and coaches both wanted them on the field. Now, there's like protocols, and they have to see an outside specialist before they can even practice. I'm sure it's the same way with the team docs. None of the old-school 'dope em up, get em on the field' practices. It wouldn't fly in today's PC NFL.





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(07-15-2014 08:47 PM)Cutz Wrote:  The old days, players wouldn't come out for concussions or would be back on the field in like 2 days, because players and coaches both wanted them on the field. Now, there's like protocols, and they have to see an outside specialist before they can even practice. I'm sure it's the same way with the team docs. None of the old-school 'dope em up, get em on the field' practices. It wouldn't fly in today's PC NFL.

Thanks for breaking it down; I'm getting a better idea of then vs. now.

Today I read that five other retired players filed a new suit seeking compensation for their concussions. The lawsuit was levied by Neil Smith, Ladell Betts, Anthony Davis, Christian Ballard and Gregory Westbrooks yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri.

This new suit was filed against the NFL Union on the basis that the players paid dues and weren't protected and/or were intentionally deceived by the NFL Players Association (the NFLPA) in regards to Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI). The players named former union presidents Trace Armstrong, Troy Vincent and Kevin Mawae in the suit.

The NFLPA responded to the suit publicly. They essentially said, "chyea, riiiight". Here's the official statement:

"This lawsuit has no merit and we will defend our union and our past presidents," the NFLPA said in a statement. "It erroneously alleges that the NFLPA knowingly and fraudulently concealed from players the risks of head injuries players faced by playing in NFL games and practices over the last several decades.

"The NFLPA has made the health and safety of its members a priority and the advancements in professional football on concussion education, prevention and treatment are a result of our efforts."


Full piece: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagl...7cf48.html

Lotta litigation in the world of sports these days.





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(07-18-2014 10:48 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  Today I read that five other retired players filed a new suit seeking compensation for their concussions. The lawsuit was levied by Neil Smith, Ladell Betts, Anthony Davis, Christian Ballard and Gregory Westbrooks yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri.

This new suit was filed against the NFL Union on the basis that the players paid dues and weren't protected and/or were intentionally deceived by the NFL Players Association (the NFLPA) in regards to Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI). The players named former union presidents Trace Armstrong, Troy Vincent and Kevin Mawae in the suit.

The NFLPA responded to the suit publicly. They essentially said, "chyea, riiiight".
Full piece: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagl...7cf48.html
Christian Ballard? That dude was drafted in 2011... ridiculous. I don't even know Greg Westbrooks, but according to wikipedia he's 61 years old? Was there even an NFLPA when he played? I hate cash grab lawsuits. There was one a couple weeks ago that like, used Dan Marino's name to make headlines. He came out and said he wanted to be removed from the suit, saying he'd just agreed to register for protection in case he developed brain injury symptoms or something... ugh.

In case you wondered why it was on Philly.com, Troy Vincent was an Eagles CB for like 8 seasons, and was the Pres of the NFLPA from 2004 to 2008.





07-19-2014 03:55 PM
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NFL VS. NBA -- BEAT DOWN AT DA CLUB

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Jo-Lonn Dunbar VS. Donte Greene

MIAMI (CBSMiami) – Jo-Lonn Dunbar and Donte Greene were arrested outside of Dream Nightclub early Sunday morning on charges of battery and disorderly conduct after getting in a physical altercation while exiting the club.

Dunbar is a six-year veteran of the National Football League and currently plays for the St. Louis Rams. Greene is a former first-round draft pick who is trying to make a comeback into the NBA after playing out of the league for the last two seasons.

According to the Miami Beach Police Department the two men were arguing as they exited Dream Nightclub at approximately 5:20 A.M. Club security tried to keep Dunbar and Greene apart and one of the players started walking away with a group of friends as a couple Miami Beach Police Officers in full uniforms stood by.

The verbal insults continued and security was unable to hold back the group that stayed by the club exit. The group chased down the others and a large scale brawl ensued that had several of the people involved exchanging punches.

Ignoring orders from police to stop, Greene came up behind Dunbar and started punching him in the head and neck area. Greene was told by police that if he didn’t stop an officer would use his Taser, but ignored the warning.

An officer then proceeded to fire his Taser at Greene Guns , striking him in the lower back and buttocks. Police said after the others saw Greene hit by the Taser, the fight quickly ended.

According to Miami Beach P.D., Greene later apologized for his actions, saying “I’m sorry officer but this guy [Dunbar] has been after me for years since I got into the NBA. He was beating my brother and I had to do what I did.” Dunbar claimed that he was just defending himself.

The Rams released the following statement when reached for comment:
“We are aware of alleged incident involving JoLonn Dunbar and are still gathering information. Per team policy, we will have no further comment until the matter is resolved.”


Ref: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/07/21/tas...-athletes/
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Naturally, the NBA dude is more likely to be in the right than the NFL dude. Still, I pity both the fools -- risking their lucrative opportunities over idiotic brawls.





07-21-2014 10:35 PM
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(07-21-2014 10:35 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  Naturally, the NBA dude is more likely to be in the right than the NFL dude.


Doubtful. NFL trumps NBA.






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The NBA dude was the one who walked up behind the NFL dude and hit him in the back. It was the NBA dude that got tazed.

I think it sounds like Greene is just an asshole.





07-22-2014 06:38 PM
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They're everywhere.






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Yeah, it does sound like Greene is an asshole. Terrible timing to display his assholery too.

Greene was a top draft pick a couple of years back and didn't perform up to expectations. For the last two seasons, he was playing in China and then came back and played well with the NJ Nets in summer league. He's hoping to get his foot back in the door in the NBA and recently told interviewers that he now has a much more mature outlook and has regained his love for the game.

I don't know anything about Dunbar, only what I read after the altercation. Judging from his pic, you'd have to be kinda crazy to mess with the guy. He's reportedly just returned to the Rams after being suspended for the first four games of last season for violating the league's performance-enhancing substances policy.

Each were arrested and face charges of battery and disorderly conduct -- not career busters, but certainly not helpful in their comeback attempts.





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TEMPE, Ariz. - A Philadelphia Eagles professional football player is facing charges in Arizona after authorities say he pushed a police officer investigating a bar brawl.

Officials said 24-year-old Keelan Johnson, a rookiesafety, was arrested early Saturday following a confrontation with officers outside Zuma Grill in the Phoenix suburb of Tempe, home of Arizona State University. Johnson played in 49 games for the school.

CBS affiliate KPHO reports police were in the process of arresting Johnson's "associate" on charges of fighting inside the bar when the football player "and his associates continued to yell over the officers conducting the interviews," according to a probable cause statement. A uniformed police officer then "used a directional contact with his right arm to Johnson's chest to get him to move back while giving him commands to move back."

The probable cause statement says Johnson "violently pushed" the officer in the chest, causing him to strike his head against a tree. Police say Johnson appeared drunk and refused officers' orders.

During police questioning, Johnson admitted to pushing a uniformed police officer "because the officer pushed him and he didn't feel the officers had a right to ask him, tell him, and then make him move from where he was standing," the court document said.

According to court paperwork, Johnson appeared intoxicated.

Johnson has been charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct.

Eagles spokesman Derak Boyko said the team is disappointed in Johnson's arrest but is still trying to gather the facts.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-philade...izona-bar/
http://www.kpho.com/story/26074232/eagle...pe-officer





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It's only a matter of time before we read that he has been cut and is history. I fully expect to read about it at any time.






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Would they cut Johnson over this one altercation or has he been a problem child in general?

I imagine NFL team owners are more cautious than ever in regards to brawlers as a result of the whole Hernandez situation. (The level of his alleged criminal activity still blows my mind -- his trial is set to start in January and his defense's request for team records is an area of legal contention for the Patriots.)





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