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2. Court Orders Trump Administration to Reunify Migrant Children & Parents

Also yesterday, a federal judge ordered the federal government to reunite migrant parents with children taken from them under the Trump administration’s family separation policy.

U.S. District Court Judge Dana Sabraw, based in San Diego, issued a preliminary injunction on Tuesday night requiring that nearly all children younger than 5 be returned to their parents within 14 days and that older children be returned within 30 days.

Blasting the Trump administration for what he called “a chaotic circumstance of the Government’s own making,” Sabraw said it was a “startling reality” that no adequate planning had been done before officials embarked on a policy to separate children from parents kept in immigration custody or referred for criminal prosecution. The practice has led to more than 2,300 children being separated from their parents or other family members.

“The government readily keeps track of personal property of detainees in criminal and immigration proceedings,” Sabraw wrote in his 24-page order. “Money, important documents, and automobiles, to name a few, are routinely catalogued, stored, tracked and produced upon a detainee’s release, at all levels — state and federal, citizen and alien. Yet, the government has no system in place to keep track of, provide effective communication with, and promptly produce alien children. The unfortunate reality is that under the present system migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as property. Certainly, that cannot satisfy the requirements of due process."
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/2...ies-678809





06-27-2018 11:07 AM
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3. Republican Immigration Bill

Today, the Republicans in the House of Representatives are scheduled to vote on the 'compromise bill' which attempts to resolve major conflicts among Republican lawmakers.

The current iteration of the bill reportedly undoes Trump's and Session's separation of children from their parents and addresses family reunification processes.

I'm not sure whether the bill includes a recommended attempt to get the Flores ruling reversed in order to keep migrant families together in detention.

During the Obama Administration, families were detained together (unless the parents were suspected criminals or smugglers/traffickers). Like now, there was a large queue of illegal border-crossers awaiting asylum/immigration hearings. As a result, the families were sometimes detained for months and months.

A court applied the Flores settlement to the situation and deemed that indefinite detention of accompanied migrant children was unconstitutional and inhumane and limited it to 20 days.

Ref: https://www.vox.com/2018/6/20/17484546/e...mmigration





06-27-2018 11:07 AM
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(06-27-2018 11:06 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  the conservative judges on the court


Ah yes, the stolen seat.






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(06-27-2018 12:08 PM)Duchess Wrote:  
(06-27-2018 11:06 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  the conservative judges on the court


Ah yes, the stolen seat.

Yeah, yesterday's Supreme Court decision was a win that Trump quite possibly owes to Mitch McConnell.

Maybe Obama's nominee to replace Scalia, Merrick Garland, would have sided with the conservative judges and Kennedy (swinger) in upholding the Travel Ban. But, Garland might just as well have opposed it. If he'd opposed it, the ban would have been ruled unconstitutional by 54 vote.

I don't agree with most of McConnell's views, nor his tactics. It was wrong of McConnell not to give Garland a senate confirmation hearing and leave the seat vacant for over a year, in my opinion.

McConnell's also truly a partisan obstructionist, famously swearing after the 2008 election that he'd lead the Republican senate in opposing every piece of legislation that Obama wanted passed (a promise which he largely kept for 8 years).

But, McConnell is very politically and strategically savvy.





06-27-2018 12:43 PM
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Flippin', Floppin', Fabricatin', and Deflecting the Blame

5 Days Ago:

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This Morning:

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The Republican bill failed miserably today, despite Trump's last-minute encouragement for his party to pass it and Ryan hailing it as a good deal. It was 112 votes short.

If Republicans could agree among themselves, the bill would go to the Senate where it would take only 9 Democrats to get it passed, if every Republican Senator supported it.





06-27-2018 04:19 PM
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The Republican 'compromise bill' isn't all that different from the last couple of decent bi-partisan bills. Trump would get his $25 billion Wall funding, immigration would be limited, DACA recipients would get a path to citizenship, the Trump/Sessions child separation policy would be ended...

It's not a certainty that 9 Senate Dems couldn't be persuaded to vote for it. There are Dems in red states who sometimes vote with the GOP. The ludicrous spending bill couldn't have passed without 5 Dems, for example.

However, Trump continues to falsely insist that it's the Dems who are holding up immigration reform; that the Dems are for open borders and crime and all kinds of other unsubstantiated claims and lies. He says that's good for Republicans in elections. I hope he's wrong.

Bi-partisan immigration reform is very doable and the Dems have come to the table and made concessions when asked. It's much more doable and appropriate for the country than trying to please all the Republican congresspeople. The ones on the far right aren't budging in their opposition to a path to citizenship for those covered by DACA. To them, it's 'amnesty', which is the 'a word'. Assholes.





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(06-22-2018 01:25 PM)Maggot Wrote:  Then why all the hatred towards them? These illegals are getting tents, beds, food quite a few perks for coming over the border illegally yet within our borders there are quite a few homeless that are citizens that do not get even that chance. It just blows my mind how giving all the crazies are towards illegals yet turn a blind eye to citizens within our own borders. and you have to admit that Republicans, Trump and his supporters get the bums rush most of the time. Targets for any aggression that comes out daily from the left. There is nothing absolutely nothing Trump could do that is good in the eyes of anyone that voted for Clinton. It gets old and cold.
And many of those folks are veterans who fought in foreign wars under the American flag. Cry me a river for Jose Valenzuela who got separated from his kids because he broke the law and entered this country illegally and then fled without an address or number he can be reached at, shit on the guy who fought for your right to cry that river. Fucking amazing world we live in.





06-28-2018 09:21 AM
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No one has been defending adults the past few pages, we've been talking about the children who are taken from their parents who have come here seeking asylum. I support them and their quest for safety, if I could take a family I would. The United States government are taking their kids and spreading them out across America, some of those children will never find their way back to their parents. It's appalling, it's a national disgrace.






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06-28-2018 10:12 AM
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(06-28-2018 10:12 AM)Duchess Wrote:  

No one has been defending adults the past few pages, we've been talking about the children who are taken from their parents who have come here seeking asylum. I support them and their quest for safety, if I could take a family I would. The United States government are taking their kids and spreading them out across America, some of those children will never find their way back to their parents. It's appalling, it's a national disgrace.
Would you also volunteer to take in the family of a citizen who is incarcerated and has been separated from his family and is no longer capable of supporting? Just curious? Doesn't seem like there should be discrimination based on what country you hail from.





06-28-2018 10:51 AM
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(06-28-2018 10:51 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:  Would you also volunteer to take in the family of a citizen who is incarcerated and has been separated from his family and is no longer capable of supporting? Just curious? Doesn't seem like there should be discrimination based on what country you hail from.


Huh. Those are two entirely different circumstances, they have nothing in common.






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(06-28-2018 11:08 AM)Duchess Wrote:  
(06-28-2018 10:51 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:  Would you also volunteer to take in the family of a citizen who is incarcerated and has been separated from his family and is no longer capable of supporting? Just curious? Doesn't seem like there should be discrimination based on what country you hail from.


Huh. Those are two entirely different circumstances, they have nothing in common.
Really? I'm done here.





06-28-2018 11:31 AM
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(06-28-2018 11:31 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2018 11:08 AM)Duchess Wrote:  
(06-28-2018 10:51 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:  Would you also volunteer to take in the family of a citizen who is incarcerated and has been separated from his family and is no longer capable of supporting? Just curious? Doesn't seem like there should be discrimination based on what country you hail from.


Huh. Those are two entirely different circumstances, they have nothing in common.
Really? I'm done here.


Yes, really. One set of circumstances is a family fleeing violence, there are no opportunities to make a life for themselves, they fear for their lives and all they want is what we want, our own version of the dream,
the other set of circumstances are a family living in America who have the opportunity to build a life for themselves, they had opportunities and apparently squandered them in lieu of doing a crime. Do you disagree in how I interpreted your post?






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Did BG just say he's done with Mock? Smiley_emoticons_skeptisch






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That's what it sounded like, seems like an odd thing to get pissed off about.

Also another difference is when a US citizen is incarcerated the children either go to a family member or foster care. I've never heard of DCF losing people's kids.





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