RETURN TO SENDER/ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

[aussiefriend]

Gross.

[HairOfTheDog]

Do you (I mean the collective you, everyone) find it a little weird that any if us lay claim to a certain little patch of the Earth? Even more ironic that we claim and protect it as ours when we stole it from someone else..

I don't really find it weird, more of a necessity in some ways.

I mean, I can imagine no more countries, it's easy if I try. But, I can also easily imagine a lot of problems associated with a border-free global society.

Anyway, saw a story today about the Sri Lankan asylum seekers held at sea by Australia's immigration authorities and the surrounding controversy.

Story:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/08/world/...?hpt=hp_t4

Operation Sovereign Borders seems to face similar challenges and criticisms as the US's deportation policies.

I thought that the PNG processing center sounded like a good idea to curb illegal immigration and increase the efficiency of asylum processing for Australia when it was first announced. Doesn't sound like the reality of how it's working lines up with the government's marketing of the concept? Or, maybe the critics of the operation are painting it with too broad a brush? Either way, managing immigration in a way that's considered "right" or "fair" by all of the existing citizens and wanna-be citizens alike seems an impossibility for any country, IMO.

[Blindgreed1]

Gross.

I resemble that remark. How've you been Aussie?

[crash]

I have a soft side.

The inside?

[aussiefriend]

I have a soft side.

The inside?

I was being pathetic.

[aussiefriend]

Gross.

I resemble that remark. How've you been Aussie?

How can you find that Palin woman attractive? She is weird.

[ramseycat]

I think Palin is attractive.

[Duchess]

Many are until they open their mouth. Take Elisabeth Hasslebeck for example.

[HairOfTheDog]

What an effin' mess...



Snip:
U.S. authorities estimate that between 60,000 to 80,000 minors without parents will cross the border this year.

Obama's emergency funding request is just over 10% of the $30 billion in proposed border security funding included in the Senate-passed immigration reform bill that House Republican leaders have stalled.

It seeks $1.6 billion for the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice to bolster customs and border efforts as well as crack down on smugglers, and $300 million for the State Department to help Mexico and Central American governments counter what officials called "misinformation" by smugglers about what immigrants will face on the journey to the U.S. border and once they arrive.

The request also includes $1.8 billion for the Department of Health and Human Services to provide care for unaccompanied children crossing the border.

Government officials said that money would allow the United States to meet its legal and moral obligations for such youngsters now being crammed in overcrowded facilities in several states while awaiting processing.

"The vulnerability that the cartels and other criminal organizations have figured out, because they're making big money off of transporting these kids up through Mexico from Central America, is the lack of detention pending a court hearing," (Republican Texas Senator) Cornyn said. "What's happened is these children are placed with family members in the United States, and given a notice to appear for a later court hearing. Some have called this a notice to disappear, not a notice to appear," as most don't show up.

Full story: http://us.cnn.com/2014/07/09/politics/ob...?hpt=hp_t2
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I hope the $3.7 billion is approved to address this emergency immigration crisis.

The Republican House has been stalling the immigration reform bill for quite some time -- petty partisan politicking again, IMO. They need to effin' work with the Dems in the Senate, speed it up already, and do the right thing -- with disregard to how it will affect them in the elections this year (yeah, I know, dream on).

I don't understand why children from bordering countries can be deported without a hearing, but children from non-bordering countries can not. I see the Republicans point on how that enables people smugglers in South and Central America to attract more business; big incentive for families over there to send their kids here alone if they have relatives or friends in the States. That part of the 2008 law needs to be looked at hard again.

[Maggot]

Is Mexico busing them from one side to the other? How do they get through Mexico? Why not go to Costa Rica?

In 2010 Costa Rica was cited by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) as having attained much higher human development than other countries at the same income levels,[10] while in 2011, the UNDP also identified it as a good performer on environmental sustainability, with a better record on human development and inequality than the median of their region.


WTF????

[HairOfTheDog]

They get through Mexico by train, AFAIK.

As you noted, Maggot, Costa Rica isn't an unstable criminally-dominated country. It's not part of the Central America to US people smuggling network. Anyway, they're struggling with the number of Guatemalans, Hondurans, and El Salvadorians seeking asylum in Costa Rica, too.

It's amazing the influx of immigrants seeking residency in the US from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador -- that number far exceeds US immigrants from Mexico at this point. The gang violence and drug cartels' recruitment and threats against children are reportedly the catalysts for people leaving those countries.



This is a good rundown of the situation, with a little bit of political bias, but good on facts and numbers. http://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/5813406/exp...rants-daca

[Maggot]

OK............. put them on a train to Canada.

[Midwest Spy]

Spent 9 days in Costa Rica once.

I'd go back.

[Maggot]

They have no army.

[HairOfTheDog]

Our government is so poorly managed. No one knows how to manage people nor finances.

These guys know how to manage people and finances.

^ Prog/Mixed Party Supporter--^Lifelong Democrat --^Biggest Donor to Republican party

Buffet, Gates and Adelson do not share common political affiliations and priorities most of the time.

Still, they joined forces to write an NYT op-ed piece about the (past due) need for immigration reform and why it's in the best interest of American society.

Their premise: if three politically opposed businessmen can negotiate with each other and come up with an acceptable plan that improves the system for all, then the House should stop stonewalling and be able to work with the Senate to do the same.

I agree. Get it done, already. I thought it was an interesting piece:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/opinio...eform.html

[Duchess]

Their premise: if three politically opposed businessmen can negotiate with each other and come up with an acceptable plan that improves the system for all, then the House should stop stonewalling and be able to work with the Senate to do the same.

I agree with them as well. I don't know as I've ever felt that Washington was working on my behalf. I know there must be some recent accomplishments but for the life of me I can't think of anything, all I recall is bickering.

[Maggot]

The more I think of it the more I believe Obama orchestrated this plg pile of humanity with the Mexican president Enrique Peña Nieto.

Mexico has very tough immigration laws yet they admonish the United states on our lax laws. Its pitiful and until they start getting sent to all the small towns in America people will not wake up. It will be to late.
This administration is asking for billions of dollars to house, feed and give medical attention to but will spend nothing to stop the flow. It would be cheaper to fly them back. But I bet their original countries will not allow them back in.

The fact is that Mexico’s illegal immigration laws are a lot tougher than those of the U.S. Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be jailed for ten years. Visa violators can be sentenced for six-year terms and Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered to be criminals.

It doesn’t end there. Under Mexican law, foreigners can be deported if they are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests”, violate Mexican law, are not “physically or mentally healthy”, or lack the “necessary funds for their sustenance.” This applies to their dependents as well.

Somehow, though, thousands of “migrants” from nations to the south of Mexico are passing through to get to our border and are, in the process, no less illegal in Mexico than here. That has changed, however. On July 9, the Examiner reported that Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto had met with Guatemalan president Otto Perez Molina and they held a joint press conference to “officially announce an agreement to make it easier for those making the illegal journey to the United States from Central American, to cross into Mexico.” They will be issued a “Regional Visitor’s Card” that allows them to stay in Mexico for 72 hours, just long enough to make it to the U.S. border. The arrangement will include Belize as well. No doubt it will be extended to San Salvador and Honduras.

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[Duchess]

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[HairOfTheDog]

The more I think of it the more I believe Obama orchestrated this plg pile of humanity with the Mexican president Enrique Peña Nieto.

It was over a year ago that 4 Democratic and 4 Republican Congresspersons worked together to draft the first sweeping immigration reforms since 86. I remember reading about the bill. Here's an article/recap: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/27/politics/immigration/

That was June 2013. At that time, Boehner vowed that the bill would get nowhere in the House; the GOP-driven House was gonna draft their own reform bill. And, he said, being that border control and managing immigration were such pressing problems, it was gonna be a priority to do so by the end of 2013. That has not happened.

If Obama was driving some sort of international conspiracy (which I personally don't believe), he couldn't have done it without the House digging its heels in and stalling any progress until the problem reached crisis/emergency classification.

[Maggot]

I do not agree with amnesty either.