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The Crying Game / TRANSGENDER DISCUSSION
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RE: The Crying Game

(09-17-2014 03:59 PM)IroningBroad Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 09:41 AM)Cutz Wrote:  No. I would not date someone of my gender or that started my gender. If I found out my SO was lying to me about it the whole time, it'd be over.

Yes... it would prove them right that if I'd known the truth I would have left... however, that doesn't /make/ them right for lying about it. That's like a first date kind of detail you share with someone. If the other person isn't comfortable with it, better to end it before it starts. If you're just hiding your gender from someone you're dating/married... then you're basically a homosexual masquerading as a heterosexual (or vice versa I guess). If you got a sex change op, you're going to go from 'lying to the world' about feeling like the opposite gender to lying to your spouse about having started out the opposite gender? It's supposed to be about finally feeling confident in your gender/sexuality. Confidence means not hiding things. Deception isn't a basis for love.

My cousin was born a girl and is now a dude. It's tough for me to even deal with him. I try to be very accepting of sexuality... but gender is something I feel like you just get assigned at birth. Just because someone doesn't like their gender they get to switch? How bout I don't like being a white person. Can I walk around with blackface on all the time and pretend I'm black?

Just because someone doesn't like their gender they get to switch?
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Yes,they have the choice to switch.Why should they live the gender they were assigned just to please everyone else?The only person they have to please is themselves.Nobody else gets a say.Confidence would only come to that person being who they truly see themselves to be, not who they ought to be because mother nature says so.

If you wanted to be black then by all means look for medical or non-medical ways to begin your transformation.As long as that made you happy, who cares.Live and let live.
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09-17-2014 06:27 PM
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RE: The Crying Game

(09-17-2014 06:27 PM)Clang McFly Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 03:59 PM)IroningBroad Wrote:  
(09-17-2014 09:41 AM)Cutz Wrote:  No. I would not date someone of my gender or that started my gender. If I found out my SO was lying to me about it the whole time, it'd be over.

Yes... it would prove them right that if I'd known the truth I would have left... however, that doesn't /make/ them right for lying about it. That's like a first date kind of detail you share with someone. If the other person isn't comfortable with it, better to end it before it starts. If you're just hiding your gender from someone you're dating/married... then you're basically a homosexual masquerading as a heterosexual (or vice versa I guess). If you got a sex change op, you're going to go from 'lying to the world' about feeling like the opposite gender to lying to your spouse about having started out the opposite gender? It's supposed to be about finally feeling confident in your gender/sexuality. Confidence means not hiding things. Deception isn't a basis for love.

My cousin was born a girl and is now a dude. It's tough for me to even deal with him. I try to be very accepting of sexuality... but gender is something I feel like you just get assigned at birth. Just because someone doesn't like their gender they get to switch? How bout I don't like being a white person. Can I walk around with blackface on all the time and pretend I'm black?

Just because someone doesn't like their gender they get to switch?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes,they have the choice to switch.Why should they live the gender they were assigned just to please everyone else?The only person they have to please is themselves.Nobody else gets a say.Confidence would only come to that person being who they truly see themselves to be, not who they ought to be because mother nature says so.

If you wanted to be black then by all means look for medical or non-medical ways to begin your transformation.As long as that made you happy, who cares.Live and let live.
couldn't have said it better myself. :thumbsup:


You're so gay clang, you're posts are giving me AIDS I think.


Of course you wouldn't care if the woman you were dating left out that little detail about once having a dick. You have homosexual tendencies, what do you give a fuck. The rest of us normal folk wouldn't fall for something like that in the first place.





09-17-2014 06:46 PM
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RE: The Crying Game

I have crossdressing tendencies, I am straight though. Shut the fuck up, ya closed minded bitch fuck.






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09-17-2014 06:48 PM
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Hello McFly! If you are willing to carry on a relationship with a bitch that once owned a dick then you are not straight. You're just as much of a freak as the asshole that tricked you.





09-17-2014 06:53 PM
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I agree that people have the right to do with their bodies what they choose.

Some people use plastic surgery to greatly alter their appearances, some get surgery to drop hundreds of pounds, some get breast enhancements, some get gender reassignment surgery, some of us just choose to embrace the hand we're dealt and make the most of it... Those are personal choices.

Just like I don't think people should be denied the right to make those personal choices, I can't give a pass to people who use deception to deny others the right to make their own significant life choices. That's precisely what the liar in the OP is doing. It's extreme selfishness and lack of respect, no matter what excuses anyone makes for it. That person is not someone whom I could ever trust.





09-17-2014 07:05 PM
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(09-17-2014 06:53 PM)sally Wrote:  Hello McFly! If you are willing to carry on a relationship with a bitch that once owned a dick then you are not straight. You're just as much of a freak as the asshole that tricked you.
once owned a dick...but she's all woman now. So that makes her a woman,and me straight in my book.






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09-17-2014 07:06 PM
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I get a little testy when some of you say that wanting to change your gender is a choice. Most transgender folks feel (in their brains) that they were born in the wrong body. Those chromosomes can really get messed up, some one gets an extra Y chromosome or an extra X, etc.... It happens and the brain doesn't wait until puberty to decide this. These feelings are apparent at a very early age...Just like being gay is not a choice, neither is a transgendered person. If you choose to judge someone, try to research the issue first.
What I don't understand is that Hank Bassett dated a transgendered person when he cheated on Kendra so what does that make Hank? Not sure about this scenario. Human sexuality is complicated but some conditions you are born with just like the color of your eyes and is not a choice.





09-17-2014 07:08 PM
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(09-17-2014 07:08 PM)blueberryhill Wrote:  I get a little testy when some of you say that wanting to change your gender is a choice. Most transgender folks feel (in their brains) that they were born in the wrong body. Those chromosomes can really get messed up, some one gets an extra Y chromosome or an extra X, etc.... It happens and the brain doesn't wait until puberty to decide this. These feelings are apparent at a very early age...Just like being gay is not a choice, neither is a transgendered person. If you choose to judge someone, try to research the issue first.
What I don't understand is that Hank Bassett dated a transgendered person when he cheated on Kendra so what does that make Hank? Not sure about this scenario. Human sexuality is complicated but some conditions you are born with just like the color of your eyes and is not a choice.


Babies born with an extra chromosome is what's called profound mental retardation or downs syndrome, it has nothing to do with transgender people. If you're born with an extra chromosome the least of your problems is being gay.

They may be born with more female or male hormones, however. Either way I don't give a shit what they do, but they should have the decency to be upfront with the person they're becoming romantically involved with.





09-17-2014 07:22 PM
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(09-17-2014 07:08 PM)blueberryhill Wrote:  I get a little testy when some of you say that wanting to change your gender is a choice. Most transgender folks feel (in their brains) that they were born in the wrong body. Those chromosomes can really get messed up, some one gets an extra Y chromosome or an extra X, etc.... It happens and the brain doesn't wait until puberty to decide this. These feelings are apparent at a very early age...Just like being gay is not a choice, neither is a transgendered person. If you choose to judge someone, try to research the issue first.
What I don't understand is that Hank Bassett dated a transgendered person when he cheated on Kendra so what does that make Hank? Not sure about this scenario. Human sexuality is complicated but some conditions you are born with just like the color of your eyes and is not a choice.

They make the choice to physically transition Mtf Ftm but I completely agree that they do not have a choice on how they see themselves.On how they feel.Ex:John Doe is a man but has always felt like a woman trapped in man's body and vice versa.





09-17-2014 07:40 PM
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I do agree that deception about something like this would be a deal breaker to many if not most.But if that person told me they didn't say anything out of fear of losing me then I would really think it over..but only if I was deeply in love with them.

Otherwise, if it was more a hit it or quit it situation I would drop that bitch like a hot potato hah





09-17-2014 07:44 PM
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I agree that a person should be upfront as you never know what direction a relationship will take. Your statement about chromosome is too simplified...it is actually more complex..... That is my premise based on my training in human sexuality years and years ago in Graduate school. Chromosomes have a way of getting messed up besides the standard Down's Syndrome, and mental retardation.....and anyway, my comment was directed at Cutz who said gender was a choice or did I misread that.....I will reiterate, it is not a choice, something gets messed up during the cell division at time of conception and instead of matching brain to genitalia, Mother Nature messes up, and we have a transgendered person...They have the right number of chromosomes, but maybe more X's or Y's than what would be considered "normal." An extra chromosome is related to Down's Syndrome and I didn't say anything about an extra chromosome.





09-17-2014 07:45 PM
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(09-17-2014 07:08 PM)blueberryhill Wrote:  I get a little testy when some of you say that wanting to change your gender is a choice. Most transgender folks feel (in their brains) that they were born in the wrong body. Those chromosomes can really get messed up, some one gets an extra Y chromosome or an extra X, etc.... It happens and the brain doesn't wait until puberty to decide this. These feelings are apparent at a very early age...Just like being gay is not a choice, neither is a transgendered person. If you choose to judge someone, try to research the issue first.
What I don't understand is that Hank Bassett dated a transgendered person when he cheated on Kendra so what does that make Hank? Not sure about this scenario. Human sexuality is complicated but some conditions you are born with just like the color of your eyes and is not a choice.

I looked up the different XY genetic syndromes and none suggested that having an extra X or Y chromosome had anything to do with being transgendered. Klinefelter syndrome is the occurrence of 2 X chromosomes in a male child (XXY), XYY or Jacob's syndrome is the occurrence of 2 Y chromosomes in a male. Triple X sydrome is a female born with three X chromosomes.

All of these syndromes have an occurrence of 1:1000 live births.

In none of these cases was there any predisposition to becoming transgender. You may be speaking of some other chromosomes, but the XY variations play no role in transgenderism according to reputable studies that I can find. If you have research you could link I would like to read it.





09-17-2014 07:45 PM
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It's definitely a choice to have gender-reassignment surgery, blueberry. And, it's definitely a choice whether to lie to someone about whether you're physically a male or female when you pursue a romantic relationship with them.

But, personally, I don't think that all transgender individuals are transgender for the same reasons. Some transgender individuals were likely born as identifying with a gender but have the opposite gender's genitalia, as you noted. Others possibly identify themselves as the opposite biological gender primarily due to environmental and psychological influences/factors. There's a lot of research being done in regards to gender identification and there isn't a sole definitive cause that's been identified as being applicable to all transgender individuals.

Anyway, whatever the underlying factors for each individual, it's a personal choice to have any elective surgery and I don't think sound adults should be denied that choice.





09-17-2014 07:46 PM
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It sounds as though you are thinking of transsexual or cross dressers which usually do involve choices. I am talking about the people whose brains do not match their genitalia. This is not choice, however, before they can have the surgery to change their genitalia, they must go through several months of counseling, testing, etc. to determine it is the real deal. I would imagine that this is the way to weed out the "phonies."





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