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IS THIS BULLSHIT OR APPROPRIATE?
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HairOfTheDog Offline
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Arizona Verdict

Daniel Shaver, a 26-year-old husband and father of two young daughters, was staying at the La Quinta Inn for business in January of 2016. He invited two other guests in to his room for drinks after work.

At one point, he was telling them about his job and pointed an air pellet rifle out the hotel window. Shaver was a pest control specialist who had been hired to exterminate birds which were infiltrating a Walmart store.

A couple of hotel guests by the pool saw the gun through the window and rightly called the hotel desk. The clerk rightly called the police. That's when shit got ugly.

Several officers went to the hotel and ordered the occupants out of the room and into the hallway. You can watch and listen to what went down when officer Brailsford took control in the body cam footage below. It made my heart race.





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12-08-2017 10:25 AM
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^ Brailsford was fired about a month after the shooting for several policy violations, including unsatisfactory performance. He used his personal AR15 (which he was allowed to use on the job) to shoot Shaver. Inscribed on the rifle was "YOU'RE FUCKED".

Prosecutors charged Brailsford with second degree murder and many who've seen the video said the shooting was an execution, pure and simple.

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12-08-2017 10:28 AM
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Shaver was unarmed when he was shot to death. He had reached to pull up his shorts after Brailsford ordered him to crawl towards the officers, with his legs crossed behind his back and his arms forward.

Brailsford claims he was terrified for himself and the fellow officers on the scene and believed Shaver was reaching for a weapon.

A detective testified that it looked liked that, but also much like Shaver was reaching to pull up his shorts. The detective also noted that he didn't see any reason why the cops hadn't just handcuffed Shaver when he was flat on the ground with his hands stretched out.

Refs:
http://heavy.com/news/2016/03/daniel-sha...ers-video/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...oting.html
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The jury just found Brailsford 'not guilty'. Bullshit or appropriate?





12-08-2017 10:29 AM
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Appropriate, not good but appropriate.
Shaver appeared to be unable to follow the police simple instructions, was told multiple times what would happen if he did not follow.
THEN because of a Stupid fashion trend, baggy ass clothing that will not stay in place, he reached for the waistband...stupid stupid stupid...
All that on top of a situation he created, waving a gun around in a hotel window...
Maybe the cop gave some conflicting instructions after the guy started fucking up, but that does Not make it murder





12-08-2017 11:09 AM
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That was awful. My heart was racing watching that.






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I say it's bullshit. He should rot in prison just for having those stupid tattoos alone, nevermind not being able to control himself .





12-08-2017 05:53 PM
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(12-08-2017 05:53 PM)sally Wrote:  I say it's bullshit. He should rot in prison just for having those stupid tattoos alone, nevermind not being able to control himself .

Yeah, that cop struck me as a little too anxious to control and shoot someone. The fact that he had 'YOU'RE FUCKED' engraved on his AR15 is pretty messed up. It's not surprising he was fired for other policy violations shortly into the investigation.

I don't blame the cops for being aggressive and not taking any chances when all they knew was that someone had pointed what appeared to be a scoped rifle out the window of a hotel (especially after what went down in Las Vegas recently).

But, once they saw that he was just a buzzed dude in nothing but shorts and a t-shirt and they'd already secured his two drinking-buddy guests..........I don't get why the cops didn't cuff Shaver when he was crying for them not to shoot while lying flat on the ground and presenting no threat at all.

What the hell was the point of ordering him to crawl towards them with his legs crossed? I don't know if I could even do that sober.





12-08-2017 07:19 PM
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(12-08-2017 07:19 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  What the hell was the point of ordering him to crawl towards them with his legs crossed? I don't know if I could even do that sober.

Yea that part was fucked up. He should have had his partner just cuff him after the chick was cuffed and been done with it





12-09-2017 04:20 PM
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If I were to round a corner and come face to face with a guy pointing a gun like that at me I would have turned and ran. That sumbitch woulda killed me. Ugh. I've thought about that video more than once after seeing it and I realize I would have tried like hell to remove myself from the situation. I don't think I would have waited for the cop to identify himself, I would run and die. Wah.






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12-09-2017 04:29 PM
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I think the cops rousted them out of the room, then all that went down so I don't think a cop in the hallway was a surprise.


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Apparently that is untrue, watched another video that had the beginning of the encounter





12-10-2017 12:23 AM
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Where can I watch that video?
Duchess-I thought the same thing.





12-10-2017 05:48 PM
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I found the full video Love Child.





This case didn't get much attention before the trial because the judge ruled that the video could not be released to the public until after the verdict was rendered (Shaver's widow and attorney wanted it released right away).

Today I learned some new facts about the case.

1. Six officers showed up at the hotel to investigate the report of someone holding a gun near the hotel window. Six...........and they couldn't have cuffed him when he was down on the ground, on his stomach, arms forward, begging and scared shitless? Unbelievable.

2. The male hotel guest who'd been drinking with Shaver and the female guest had already returned to his own room when the cops showed up.

3. It isn't Officer Brailsford issuing the threatening and confusing commands to Shaver most of the time. It's his Sgt, Langley. He's since retired (thankfully).

Refs:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...sm/546983/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...sh/547868/





12-10-2017 07:15 PM
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Thanks HOTD, I was not clear at all who was giving the commands. Yea, there was no reason why they could not have cuffed the guy when he was flat out on the floor, it was useless to have him get up on his knees and all that.





12-10-2017 09:21 PM
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(12-10-2017 09:21 PM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote:  Thanks HOTD, I was not clear at all who was giving the commands. Yea, there was no reason why they could not have cuffed the guy when he was flat out on the floor, it was useless to have him get up on his knees and all that.

It wasn't clear to me either Six. I assumed it was Brailsford himself when I first watched the video.

Now that we know the whole story of what went down, I really feel that Sgt. Langley should have been charged right along with Brailsford.

Langley had more than enough manpower on the scene to control the situation without all the crawling, changing instructions, threats, and ultimately the killing of an innocent man.

It's so difficult to get a conviction of a cop (unless it's for corruption). The fact that this happened in Maricopa County (Sheriff Joe country) probably made it even more difficult for prosecutors to obtain a guilty verdict in my opinion, no matter how strong a case they presented.





12-10-2017 11:30 PM
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