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THE REBEL FLAG
#21
No need to be sorry Jimbone; I was just asking for clarification.

You were wrong (unfortunately) when you posted that people can't legally purchase guns anywhere in this country without submitting to a background check.

And, blueberry was wrong when she posted that people in Texas can legally carry guns without background check or permit; the new state law instead gives those who passed a background check and obtained a permit to conceal carry the ability to openly carry their weapons too (as of next year, I think).

Maggot and Duchess, on the other hand, were right about Lynyrd Skynyrd's music being likable, IMO, regardless of the fact that the band used the Confederate flag in their imaging until 2012.

I liked their music when they used it and claimed it as a symbol of their heritage, and I like their music now that they've stopped using it because of the racial undertones and its hijacking/association with hate groups like the KKK and skinheads.

Which goes to prove that a man -- be he a Young Southern Man or a wisened Simple Man -- can be progressive without being a Liberal.









It took him a few decades, but Neil for the win. Smiley_emoticons_smile
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#22
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Republican South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley ^ is now calling for the Confederate flag to be removed from the state capitol. She'd previously defended it as a tribute to the state's history and heritage.

"That flag, while an integral part of our past, does not represent the future of our great state," Haley said Monday. Haley said there's no need to "declare a winner and a loser" or interpret the flag in any one way, noting South Carolinians are free to fly the Confederate flag on their personal property if they so choose.

"But the statehouse is different, and the events of this past week (racially-motivated mass murder at a black church) call on us to look at this in a different way," she said.

Haley said she would call a special legislative session if South Carolina lawmakers don't take up the issue of the Confederate flag this session.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Republican National Committee Chair Reince Priebus, Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) and others joined the governor in calling for the flag to come down. Graham previously said the flag "is part of who we are," but that he would be "fine" with taking the symbol down.


Ref: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22...37644.html
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I think it's a good move.

Private citizens can display or fly or burn any flag they choose, as it should be. But, the government of a state (one with a black population of over 25% no less) continuing to fly the Confederate flag over the capitol just seems backwards, to me.

It's a symbol of the past that should not be forgotten. But, I don't see any compelling reason to continue flying or saluting it as if it's symbolic of the present or future.
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#23
The story of the Confederate Flag over the capital in SC starts in the 60's when a Democrat governor ordered it flown. **Edit** (had dates wrong, thought it happened in the late 90's) in 2000, the SC legislature and Republican governor ordered it removed from flying over the capital, and it was only to be flown at the Confederate Soldiers Memorial that sits on capital grounds. That memorial was dedicated all the way back 1879.

That seemed an appropriate place for the flag to me, as I've commonly seen the Confederate flag flying at many Civil War memorials. In that context it is very difficult to argue it is a symbol of hate or racism in my opinion. It's a historical flag flying at a historical site or site commemorating history.

But, it's for the state to decide. If this brings comfort and keeps people calm, so be it. But someone can just as easily argue the Confederate Memorial should be off-site as well. Maybe that's next.

Remember that same flag was flying at the monument when the SC Governor of Indian descent was elected, then re-elected. It was flying when SC elected a black man to the US Senate overwhelmingly. I'm not saying there isn't racism anymore, but SC has certainly demonstrated electorally that it's made strides against it.

This seems a little knee jerk to me... the flag flying anywhere wasn't what drove that asshole to kill people.
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#24
(06-22-2015, 04:56 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [Image: r-NIKKI-HALEY-SOUTH-CAROLINA-GOVERNOR-large570.jpg]

Republican South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley ^ is now calling for the Confederate flag to be removed from the state capitol. She'd previously defended it as a tribute to the state's history and heritage.

"That flag, while an integral part of our past, does not represent the future of our great state," Haley said Monday. Haley said there's no need to "declare a winner and a loser" or interpret the flag in any one way, noting South Carolinians are free to fly the Confederate flag on their personal property if they so choose.

"But the statehouse is different, and the events of this past week (racially-motivated mass murder at a black church) call on us to look at this in a different way," she said.

Haley said she would call a special legislative session if South Carolina lawmakers don't take up the issue of the Confederate flag this session.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Republican National Committee Chair Reince Priebus, Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) and others joined the governor in calling for the flag to come down. Graham previously said the flag "is part of who we are," but that he would be "fine" with taking the symbol down.


Ref: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22...37644.html
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I think it's a good move.

Private citizens can display or fly or burn any flag they choose, as it should be. But, the government of a state (one with a black population of over 25% no less) continuing to fly the Confederate flag over the capitol just seems backwards, to me.

It's a symbol of the past that should not be forgotten. But, I don't see any compelling reason to continue flying or saluting it as if it's symbolic of the present or future.

When I read the bold/underlined part my thoughts were , Once again doing something to please the minority and forgetting what the majority might think.
I am not saying they shouldn't do it. After all its their state, I don't live there. So who am I to tell them what they should do?
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#25
^ Your thought and assumption at reading the underlined part is a reflection of you and how you think, not necessarily the majority of the people in South Carolina or anywhere else.

You fail to consider that many non-blacks also wish to see the Confederate flag displayed in a historical/personal context, rather than flying over the state capitol today.

It's not black vs. white or minority vs majority for a lot of us, F.U., there's more to consider than numbers. But, your entitled to your simplistic view and your say, just like everybody else.
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#26
Thanks HotD. That's the nicest way I've ever ben told to STFU simpleton. LMAO.
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#27
I don't want you to STFU, F.U.

If you did, I'd not be LMAO nearly as often.
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#28
I'm just funning with ya HotD. I laugh at myself often , glad I can make you laugh too.
Actually I thought about that post before I made it and thought, you are really setting yourself up here bud. I said WTH and posted it anyway.
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#29
I believe that's how you really think and it doesn't surprise me.

And, I'm glad that sometimes you and others post what they really think here.

Bullshit is cheap and plentiful, why add to the existing mountain of manure?
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#30
I almost always post my true feelings HotD. I would hate there come a day when I met up with someone I talk to on line and have them think, WOW they are nothing like they portrait themselves on line. Sometimes I will joke around but I think people can tell when that happens. Or at least I hope they can.
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#31
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I know when you want something that you put out there to be taken seriously, as opposed to intentionally going for a laugh (even when you don't post, "Hahahahaha" after the latter). Awink
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#32
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#33
(06-22-2015, 09:56 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: Actually I thought about that post before I made it and thought, you are really setting yourself up here bud. I said WTH and posted it anyway.

I thought the same thing too. And sure, it's an easy enough post to attack on the surface.

I guess I know you (For want of a better turn of phrase; how do we aver really 'know' anyone online?) well enough to understand what you're getting at. Do I think you're an out and out black hating racist who thinks 'Fuck those black assholes'? Nope, not at all. Do I think you'd be prejudiced against black people? Probably not. I imagine you'd probably even have the odd black friend or three. Are you discriminatory against what you think assholes? Fuck yes, and I guess who isn't.

So I kinda see your point and in a sense I tend to agree with it. It has become trendy to beckon to minority groups. I don't see this particular case in SC fitting into that, and I tend to agree with HotD, but in this country at least the civil libertarians have had a lot of wins in modern times, a lot of them justified and now they're beginning to run away with themselves.


'White Privilege' is a term that's really growing legs over here at the moment. To the point where some of the extremists are wanting anyone born white and male to instantly feel bad about it and bow at the feet of anyone who wasn't. Fuck that. I was born white and male and dirt poor. I had the same opportunities as the other green, red, blue, yellow and purple poor kids around me. Some of the black kids I grew up with are way more successful than I am. Why? Because they didn't wait for luck or good things to happen and expect things to be entitled to them. They went and worked their asses off and got where they are today.

Anyway, rant over, but I also appreciate your honesty, FU. We will never agree on everything, but in today's world, it's good to see someone with enough ticker to say their opinion out loud, even if it's not popular. I guess that's why I keep coming back here; most people do.
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#34
(06-22-2015, 09:47 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: You fail to consider that many non-blacks also wish to see the Confederate flag displayed in a historical/personal context, rather than flying over the state capitol today.

Wait, that flag hasn't been flying over the capital for 15 years in South Carolina.

I thought it was flying at a memorial on the capital grounds, and that is what is coming down now.

Or are we talking about something else and I didn't read it right?
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#35
For only knowing me online, in this case you have me pegged crash.
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#36
I often laugh more at what's meant to be taken seriously than what's meant to garner a laugh.

Either way, I'll take it.

There aren't too many things I rank ahead of laughter.
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#37
(06-22-2015, 10:39 PM)Jimbone Wrote:
(06-22-2015, 09:47 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: You fail to consider that many non-blacks also wish to see the Confederate flag displayed in a historical/personal context, rather than flying over the state capitol today.

Wait, that flag hasn't been flying over the capital for 15 years in South Carolina.

I thought it was flying at a memorial on the capital grounds, and that is what is coming down now.

Or are we talking about something else and I didn't read it right?

What's being advocated by Governor Haley and other state politicians is that it's time to stop flying the Confederate flag over capitol grounds altogether.

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#38
Ok, that's what I thought.

Stories everywhere tonight on this... calls for Mississippi to remove it from their flag... stores are pulling it from sale... questions being asked about streets named for Confederate officers.

Shit gets real in a hurry once the first domino falls.
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#39
(06-22-2015, 10:34 PM)crash Wrote: Anyway, rant over, but I also appreciate your honesty, FU. We will never agree on everything, but in today's world, it's good to see someone with enough ticker to say their opinion out loud, even if it's not popular. I guess that's why I keep coming back here; most people do.

That sounded much more like a testimonial than a rant, crash.

What were you intending to rant about? Extremists who don't think white privilege is a fallacy in Australia?

I don't know enough about it to have an opinion, I'm just asking for clarity's sake.
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#40
Yeah.. sorry, didn't really break into full on rant mode. I probably should have said 'babble over' I was wandering that far off my point.
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