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2 YR OLD DEORR KUNZ JR, MISSING FROM IDAHO CAMPGROUND
#21
(07-16-2015, 12:00 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: It could be the parents.

One thing that came up in an interview with the dad in this case bothered me a little. After Deorr was reported missing, a clerk at the store near the campsite called police and told them that she saw a man with a filthy, bawling blond boy who came to the store in a black truck that day and got candy for the boy.

The dad, Deorr Kunz Sr., told a reporter that it was him and Deorr Jr., but that they'd gone to the store hours before the boy went missing and the clerk was way off on the timing.

Another thing that's a little odd is that on the 911 call, the boy's mom Jessica Mitchell said that she, her husband, and her grandfather (who the parents say they presumed was watching Deorr Jr. while they went to check out the creek for about 10 minutes, only about 50 yards away) searched for Deorr for about an hour before calling 911. In an interview, the parents indicated they'd searched for about 20 minutes before making that call.

I am thinking the discrepancy in time is from when anyone last saw the little guy to when 911 was called. It had been about an hour. Not a big a aha gotcha moment ...

I haven't read the comment from the store clerk, but I have seen lots of family photos where Deorr is crying. And everyone else is smiling for the camera. The mom has a couple of older kids from a different man.
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#22
(07-16-2015, 08:13 PM)Donovan Wrote:
(07-16-2015, 06:11 AM)thekid65 Wrote: When I'm camping around here, I'll have my dog with me. I never let him out of my sight. A 2 year old? By a running creek? How irresponsible can someone be? Not so sure I'm buying the parents story here.

Yeah I smell fish. Nobody just leaves a toddler alone in a campsite.

1. To say that any place in the wilderness is small-is dumb. WTF.
2. People laugh when I tell them I was on a harness until a certain age-this is why.
3. It looks like she is way more upset than he is. I hate cases like this. Its like the Sky Metawala mom leaving her son in a fucking car. Give me a break.
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#23
(07-16-2015, 09:12 PM)Adub Wrote: I am thinking the discrepancy in time is from when anyone last saw the little guy to when 911 was called. It had been about an hour. Not a big a aha gotcha moment ...

Yeah, it might not mean anything.

The parents were at the campsite. Little Deorr was playing with gramps near the campire and mom and dad figured he would be good with gramps for a few minutes and it was near his nap time anyway. So, they decided to go a very short distance for a very short time to explore (I assume they wanted alone time and kind of sneaked off, but that's just my assumption). They say they were gone for 10 to 15 minutes. They say they searched for 20 minutes after returning to the campsite to find Deorr missing and gramps clueless, and then immediately called 911. That's according to the interview posted upthread.

So, according to the interview, mom called 911 between 30 and 35 minutes from the last time that she and Deorr Sr. personally saw little Deorr.

But, in the 911 call (transcript below), mom Jessica Mitchell says that little Deorr has been missing for about an hour.

911 OPERATOR: What`s the address of your emergency?

JESSICA MITCHELL, MOTHER: I`m actually camping in Leadore, just outside of Leadore. My 2-year-old son -- we can`t find him.

911 OPERATOR: How long has he been missing?

MITCHELL: About an hour.

911 OPERATOR: An hour?

MITCHELL: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: Are you by water?

MITCHELL: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: Do you know which campground you`re in?

MITCHELL: It`s Stone Reservoir, Timber Creek.

911 OPERATOR: Stone Reservoir?

MITCHELL: Yes, or Timber Creek.

911 OPERATOR: Hold on. We need search and rescue. Jessica? Jessica?

MITCHELL: Yes?

[20:05:00]911 OPERATOR: What`s your son`s name?

MITCHELL: Deorr.

911 OPERATOR: OK. What was he wearing?

MITCHELL: He was wearing cowboy boots, a blue pair of, like, pajama pants, and a camo jacket. And he`s got shaggy blond hair.

911 OPERATOR: Is your husband calling, too?

MITCHELL: (INAUDIBLE) like, all down where we`re camping at, and we can`t find him at all.

911 OPERATOR: OK. We need you to stay within cell service. We have people going on the way.

MITCHELL: Thank you.


So, either mom and dad were gone longer than 10 - 15 minutes. Or, they hadn't actually seen Deorr for nearly a half an hour prior to leaving the campsite to explore (and neither had gramps). Or, mom told the 911 operator that little Deorr was missing for twice as long as he really was, for some reason. Or, mom simply misspoke to either the 911 operator or to the reporter. Or...

It's just curious to me, is all.
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(07-16-2015, 09:12 PM)Adub Wrote: I haven't read the comment from the store clerk, but I have seen lots of family photos where Deorr is crying. And everyone else is smiling for the camera. The mom has a couple of older kids from a different man.

I haven't seen a first-hand account from the store clerk either. The description and info about the store clerk came from what dad Deorr Kunz Sr. told the interviewer in the posted interview.

I tried to catch coverage of the case on Nancy Grace last night but kept getting interrupted. It was mentioned that the friend of gramps (who's in his 70s and has some health issues) was a male and not someone well-known to the family. I'm waiting for the transcript to be published to see if any more details about him were given.

Have you come across anything about gramps or gramps' friend Adub?
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#25
Here's the clip about Deorr's case from the Nancy Grace show last night.

The walk-through of the actual campsite is very helpful; the family was camped right up against an embankment that led down to the creek.





I hadn't heard about little Deorr having a distinctive Hot Wheels truck in his pocket before. Searchers have not found that truck, nor his cowboy boots or any articles of little Deorr's clothing.

At the end of the segment, the reporter notes that little Deorr's parents had never met gramps' friend before the camping trip.

Also, LE has publicly stated that the parents are fully cooperating, they're not suspects, they volunteered lie-detectors and DNA, and they're camping nearby to be close to the search.
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#26
(07-16-2015, 06:01 PM)Maggot Wrote: Maybe an Eagle swooped down and snatched him.
Or maybe he was snatched up by a Patriot?
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#27
(07-17-2015, 11:39 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:
(07-16-2015, 09:12 PM)Adub Wrote: I haven't read the comment from the store clerk, but I have seen lots of family photos where Deorr is crying. And everyone else is smiling for the camera. The mom has a couple of older kids from a different man.

I tried to catch coverage of the case on Nancy Grace last night but kept getting interrupted. It was mentioned that the friend of gramps (who's in his 70s and has some health issues) was a male and not someone well-known to the family. I'm waiting for the transcript to be published to see if any more details about him were given.

Have you come across anything about gramps or gramps' friend Adub?

It would help to know if he was a Kunz or a Mitchell. But no, I haven't. I think this little guy wandered off. Nothing else to think.
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#28
The discrepancy in time might have been to get the emergency personnel to respond quicker. Kind of like when we used to be told, "Just call 911 and say fire!"

So what is the deal with gramps and the other person? I will see if I can watch the videos tonight.
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#29
It's my understanding that he's the grandfather of Jessica Mitchell, Adub.

I think it's most likely that Deorr wandered off too, but all possibilities are still wide open.

I hope this doesn't turn out to be one of those cases where nothing is ever found and there's no closure.
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(07-17-2015, 02:34 PM)Love Child Wrote: The discrepancy in time might have been to get the emergency personnel to respond quicker. Kind of like when we used to be told, "Just call 911 and say fire!"

That could be.

(07-17-2015, 02:34 PM)Love Child Wrote: So what is the deal with gramps and the other person? I will see if I can watch the videos tonight.

Nothing at all has been released about the other person except that he was gramps' friend and unknown to Deorr's parents prior to the camping trip.

We don't know yet how long gramps has known the guy, if the guy is also a senior, what the guy was doing when gramps was presumed by the parents to be watching little Deorr...

He could just be a nice old man who tagged along with gramps to do some fishing or something. But, he's an unknown factor at this point.
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#31
Here is Deorr's 75 y/o great grandfather. Don't know if it's the right one, but he does live in ID. I got if off of the grandmother's fb.

Request to all veterans I Richard Jimenez Vietnam veteran ask assistance from all veterans to help locate my great grandson DeOrr Jay Kunz Jr. 2 years old missing since Friday July 10 bout 2pm from leador campground, possible abduction. He has Blonde shabby hair, brown eyes and he was wearing camo jacket, blue pj pants and camo cowboy boots.

https://www.facebook.com/laurie.eberleku...nds.search
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#32
It would be extremely unlucky if in that 10-15 minute time frame there just happened to be some lunatic in the woods waiting to snatch up a kid and disappear into thin air.
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#33
(07-17-2015, 04:40 PM)sally Wrote: It would be extremely unlucky if in that 10-15 minute time frame there just happened to be some lunatic in the woods waiting to snatch up a kid and disappear into thin air.


Yeah, I so agree. And it might be worth noting that if you're going camping
in the woods don't dress your kids in camouflage .
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#34
Why did the kid not scream if he was abducted? Too many holes in the story. And very sad.
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#35
(07-17-2015, 06:45 PM)Adub Wrote: if you're going camping
in the woods don't dress your kids in camouflage .


My God!
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(07-17-2015, 11:37 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: So, either mom and dad were gone longer than 10 - 15 minutes. Or, they hadn't actually seen Deorr for nearly a half an hour prior to leaving the campsite to explore (and neither had gramps). Or, mom told the 911 operator that little Deorr was missing for twice as long as he really was, for some reason. Or, mom simply misspoke to either the 911 operator or to the reporter. Or...

It's just curious to me, is all.

Dude, I'd totally lie to 911 if I was her. "How long has your son been missing?" "We've been looking for 15 minutes." "Oh, well we can't do anything till he's been missing for an hour. Maybe he's inside the tent. Keep looking for 45 minutes and then call back."

Not that that's the rule, but I'd say whatever I thought would get help out there immediately. With the amount of times you've seen in movies and shows that police have a 24 hour rule for missing persons, I'd be frantic to get help ASAP. If she embellished the missing time, I wouldn't bat an eye.

(07-17-2015, 01:56 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:
(07-16-2015, 06:01 PM)Maggot Wrote: Maybe an Eagle swooped down and snatched him.
Or maybe he was snatched up by a Patriot?

Did we check Hernandez's cell?
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#37
(07-18-2015, 10:32 AM)Cutz Wrote:
(07-17-2015, 11:37 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: So, either mom and dad were gone longer than 10 - 15 minutes. Or, they hadn't actually seen Deorr for nearly a half an hour prior to leaving the campsite to explore (and neither had gramps). Or, mom told the 911 operator that little Deorr was missing for twice as long as he really was, for some reason. Or, mom simply misspoke to either the 911 operator or to the reporter. Or...

It's just curious to me, is all.

Dude, I'd totally lie to 911 if I was her. "How long has your son been missing?" "We've been looking for 15 minutes." "Oh, well we can't do anything till he's been missing for an hour. Maybe he's inside the tent. Keep looking for 45 minutes and then call back."

Not that that's the rule, but I'd say whatever I thought would get help out there immediately. With the amount of times you've seen in movies and shows that police have a 24 hour rule for missing persons, I'd be frantic to get help ASAP. If she embellished the missing time, I wouldn't bat an eye.


Yeah, I can see mom saying an hour because she was a nervous wreck and it seemed like they'd searched for longer than they had, or because she thought it would get authorities to the site more quickly.

I agree that it's understandable if one of those is the reason for the discrepancy in the time line.

I'm really curious about the time line in general but don't think LE is gonna release any details of the investigation soon, unless they find Deorr.

Anyway, I hope they find Deorr today.
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Every time I see that child's name I can't help but wonder if she meant to name him Dior.

I know that's dumb to even think that given the reason we are discussing him.
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(07-17-2015, 03:30 PM)Adub Wrote: Here is Deorr's 75 y/o great grandfather. Don't know if it's the right one, but he does live in ID. I got if off of the grandmother's fb.

Request to all veterans I Richard Jimenez Vietnam veteran ask assistance from all veterans to help locate my great grandson DeOrr Jay Kunz Jr. 2 years old missing since Friday July 10 bout 2pm from leador campground, possible abduction. He has Blonde shabby hair, brown eyes and he was wearing camo jacket, blue pj pants and camo cowboy boots.

https://www.facebook.com/laurie.eberleku...nds.search

Thanks Adub.

From People Magazine:

It has been seven days since Jessica Mitchell has seen her 2-year-old son DeOrr Kunz – and it's taking a visible toll on her.

"The look on her face – in seven days it looks like she's aged 10 years," Mitchell's father-in-law, also named DeOrr Kunz, tells PEOPLE. "Her baby is gone."

On July 10, while on a family camping trip in the mountains near Leadore, Idaho, little DeOrr disappeared, officials say. The Lemhi County Sheriff's Department received a 911 call at about 2:30 p.m. after the boy had been missing for an hour. "We've had people out there since this first started," says a spokesman for the department. "Every avenue is being investigated."

The elder Kunz says the boy's parents were setting up camp and assumed Mitchell's grandfather, who was also on the trip, was watching the boy. The grandfather assumed the boy's parents were watching him, says Kunz.

"There's a four-minute window where no one had an eye on him," says Kunz, 70. "My grandson is paying the ultimate price for this."

As of now, investigators are still combing the camp site, officials say. The boy's parents refuse to come down from the site until they have a definitive answer that their son, who loved trucks and carried a baby blanket, is not there.

"My family has been torn apart," says Kunz. "He's my little buddy. I don't wish this on anybody."

While Mitchell, 25, continues to wait for any news, she clutches her son's baby blue blanket, which he left behind.

"The blanket was in the truck, so Jessica now has got that blanket and she will not let go of it. She holds it, smells it, loves it," Kunz says. "It's the only attachment she has to that boy right now."

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I don't know where Deorr Sr.'s dad got the "four-minute window". Maybe Jessica's grandfather was watching the baby for part of the time, saw him toddle off towards his parents, and figured they'd see him?
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(07-18-2015, 11:13 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I don't know where Deorr Sr.'s dad got the "four-minute window". Maybe Jessica's grandfather was watching the baby for part of the time, saw him toddle off towards his parents, and figured they'd see him?

That's basically what the father said in the video that you posted, grandpa let the little boy go to see his parents figuring they would see him. Which is believable to me because I could picture my dumbass FIL doing that. That's why I don't let him watch my kid.
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