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I don't give a crap about politically correct or fashionable aussie. I'm often neither.

I responded to you saying that the 14-year-old should be regarded as suspicious because he's Muslim and thus not inventive. The former is discriminatory and the latter is bullshit -- that's a fact.

I'm not trying to tell you not to discriminate against Muslims (for whatever reasons) and not to bullshit, I was just responding to your comment. I found it odd, being that you ironically often call out others for trying to justify what you perceive as discrimination on their parts. That's all.





09-17-2015 12:32 AM
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OMG HoTD, so it's really not a question, it's a comment you are making. A judgement. The thing is, you guys are the capital of the world for school violence with the horrific gun incidents. You are constantly threatened by Muslims and heaven only knows how many are thwarted that you don't know about. I don't even know what nationality his families country of origin is, I haven't asked that. That 'invention' did not look like an ordinary clock.

We had an incident at my workplace a couple of years back now, a suspicious package (Dr. forgot bag and left it in the main entrance driveway) which sent the place into lockdown as well as a busy city street. The police rang our ward to check if there was a muslim there as a patient.

It's a fact of life now, it's the world we live in. I would love it if this were not the case. When you get random people beheading someone in London or the other random with the bus, they have no choice, they have to be proactive to prevent death. That kids parents will probably take legal action and win some cash from it, so settle down now HoTD, they are all going to come out of it better than you and me.





09-17-2015 02:13 AM
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I'll do my best to settle myself aussie. If I get any more settled, someone might need to wake me up though. Relaxed Drink

Seriously, of course, my reply to you was a comment. But it wasn't a judgment.

It was an observation and a statement of fact in reply to your remark:
Let's face it, how many muslim inventors do you know? They are certainly rare! They have to take responsibility for creating this hypervigiliance too.

That implies that you think the kid's religion helps to justify him being suspected, cuffed, arrested, booked, and questioned without his parents over his invention. You introduced his religion into the safety-above-all-else justification. That's your take and it doesn't surprise me that you feel that way aussie. It's odd to me how you protest perceived discrimination against some groups, but advocate for discrimination against others. That doesn't offend me in any way (though I wouldn't be surprised if Jimbone is having a bit of a laugh right now).

I know you didn't ask about Ahmed's nationality. Nobody said you did. You just, for some reason, invoked your experience and negative impressions of Muslim athletics and culture in the Middle East to support your argument that this particular kid (who happens to instead be African American) deserved to be discriminated against because of his religion. Personally, I don't even know yet whether he was discriminated against because of his religion.

The school says they would have treated any kid the same under the circumstances, regardless of the kid's religion, as a safety measure to prevent another school killing.

I'm aware of school killings in America, aussie. To the best of my knowledge, none of which has been carried out by a Muslim kid. The fact that Ahmed is Muslim has nothing to do with my support of vigilant safety policies designed to help prevent future school attacks. The next one could be plotted by yet another deranged white male of any or no faith, or a female, or a black kid, or a Sudanese-American brown kid ...

But, the kid's father -- Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed, who immigrated from Sudan and occasionally returns there to run for president -- suspects that you are right in assuming that Ahmed's religion prompted his arrest. Unlike you, however, he believes that such discrimination is wrong. In fact, Mr. Mohamed has been in the American spotlight before; he once made national headlines for debating a Florida pastor who burned a Quran. He's a politician and an activist against anti-Islamic thinking and actions.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to watch this one unfold. And, it's interesting to read your take on it, and everybody else's too.





09-17-2015 09:24 AM
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I did not know that HOTD. Thanks, it puts an entirely new spin on why Obama became involved. hah






09-17-2015 09:45 AM
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(09-17-2015 09:45 AM)Maggot Wrote:  I did not know that HOTD. Thanks, it puts an entirely new spin on why Obama became involved. hah

If you mean about Ahmed's dad's political aspirations and activism, I didn't know that til this morning.

I too find it interesting.





09-17-2015 10:04 AM
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It makes me wonder if this kid was really singled out.






09-17-2015 10:06 AM
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Suddenly it seems a little more like a set-up than a misunderstanding...





09-17-2015 10:21 AM
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I don't know yet if Ahmed's dad's politics or activism have anything at all to do with how the kid was treated.

It's possible that the family wanted this type of exposure for alleged Muslim discrimination and helped make it happen.

It's also possible that because of his father's views/politics, Ahmed was treated with more suspicion than another kid would have been under the circumstances.

In any case, I think Obama and Clinton simply jumped on the bandwagon and, in my opinion, did so prematurely (unless they somehow had all the details right after the story broke, which I doubt).





09-17-2015 10:32 AM
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There is nothing wrong with profiling, I don't care how politically incorrect anyone thinks it is. I wish it was done more often.






09-17-2015 10:51 AM
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Here's some info about Ahmed's dad.

[Image: ahmed-Mohamed-Elhassan-Mohamed-715x400.jpg]

The arrest of Ahmed Mohamed, a 14-year-old Texas boy arrested for bringing a homemade clock to school, is one vivid example of overt Islamophobia in America.

That's a sentiment that Mohamed's own family has tried to fight against. His father, Mohamed ElHassan Mohamed, is a fascinating figure in his own right. He's a Sudanese immigrant who has twice declared himself a presidential candidate in Sudan.

When Florida pastor Terry Jones put the Quran on trial and later burned it in 2012, Mohamed was the Muslim holy book's defense attorney.

Formerly a customs worker at the Khartoum International Airport, Mohamed moved to the US from Sudan in the 1980s and started out selling candy, hot dogs, and newspapers in New York, according to a profile in the North Dallas Gazette in February. He later moved to Dallas, where he delivered pizza, drove taxis, and eventually started a cab company, Jet Taxi.

In 2010, he ran for president in Sudan for the National Reform Party and created a campaign website. The Sudan Tribune, based in Paris, ran a story on his liberal platform. In it, he promised that he would get US sanctions against Sudan lifted within 100 days of being elected.
http://www.sudantribune.comspip.php?article54000

Full piece: http://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9339063/ahm...d-elhassan





09-17-2015 10:52 AM
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I wonder what the school's story is. You'd think the boy could have just simply told his English teacher that it's a project he made for engineering class and she could have confirmed it with the engineer teacher, end of story.





09-17-2015 11:15 AM
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Please try and keep up Sally, we have moved on to a juicy conspiracy theory here.






09-17-2015 11:24 AM
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(09-17-2015 11:24 AM)Maggot Wrote:  Please try and keep up Sally, we have moved on to a juicy conspiracy theory here.

Well that would be part of the conspiracy story, Maggotyboo. Did the teacher really overreact just because his name is Mohamed or did the boy purposely make it appear that he had a bomb for some reason?





09-17-2015 11:34 AM
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(09-17-2015 11:24 AM)Maggot Wrote:  Please try and keep up Sally, we have moved on to a juicy conspiracy theory here.

hah Not me.

I'm still waiting for the full story; I wanna know what the teachers and officers who interacted with Ahmed have to say.

If there's no conspiracy, then what happened to Ahmed will be seen by many as an example of the Islamaphobia his father is trying to fight.





09-17-2015 11:34 AM
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