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RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN 2016 US ELECTION -- THE INVESTIGATION
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(12-03-2017 05:17 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  he doesn't appear to have been some glorified 'coffee boy', as the Trump administration tried to portray him after he was indicted and plead guilty of lying to the FBI.


Damn straight he wasn't a coffee boy. Coffee boys don't get a seat at the table and that's what he had.

I can't get over the number of people who have thrown away their reputations, their integrity. Those things are priceless.






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(12-03-2017 12:52 PM)Duchess Wrote:  Riiiight.

You do the very same thing other trump fans do, you pull Hillary out of your ass when you don't have anything else to say. hah

Trump himself keeps pulling Hillary out of his ass whenever the Russia investigation comes up.

Today he told reporters he feels bad that Flynn's life is being ruined for lying to the FBI and essentially said it's not fair because Hillary Clinton lied to the FBI many times and nothing happened to her.

Obviously, Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with Mike Flynn lying to the FBI -- deflection for the base. Plus, Comey publicly fried Clinton for her idiotic private server decision, but he did not claim that she lied to the FBI.





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This is a gift to President Trump and something that he, the administration, his supporters, and the right-wing media will probably get a whole lot of mileage out of. Maybe rightfully so; hard to tell yet.

The right-wing media is playing it up, the left-wing media is playing it down, and the public isn't privy to the key details.

It doesn't directly relate to the Russian interference investigation, but it could be ammo used by Trump to further discredit the FBI and claim bias in its Clinton Server and Russian Interference investigations. I can hear the 'lock her up!' chants starting up again already.

So what the fuck is it?

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Today it was reported by the New York Times and the Washington Post that a top level FBI counter-intelligence agent and a top level FBI lawyer exchanged texts that could be perceived as negative towards then-candidate Trump. The texts were reportedly in response to Trump's FBI bashing and threats to jail his political opponent during the campaign. The agent and the lawyer were having an affair and both worked on the Clinton server investigation.

CNN later reported that the agent was responsible for changing then FBI Director James Comey's description of Clinton's handling of classified information on a private server from 'grossly negligent' to 'extremely careless'. The former possibly having criminal implications, the latter not.

I want to see the content of those texts, but they haven't been made available and I don't know if they will be. It could be just normal frustration about their organization being bashed, without having impacted their ability to do their jobs objectively. Or, it could be that the agent wrongly minimized Clinton's server liability. We don't know.

Mueller found out about the text exchanges and removed the agent, Peter Strzok, from the Russia investigation early on. Strozk was demoted to a role in HR. The female lawyer with whom he was romantically involved, Lisa Page, left sometime earlier. None of it appears to directly relate to the charges against Manafort, Baker, Papadopoulos and Flynn in the Russian Interference probe, nor whether there was collaboration between the campaign and the Russians. But, I'm posting it here because I have no doubt it will all be conflated by many.

As the world turns............

Refs:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/po....html?_r=0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/p...index.html





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Why would their relationship be described as an affair?





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(12-04-2017 11:42 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  I'm posting it here because I have no doubt it will all be conflated by many.


Oh hell yeah. trump says that explains everything.

It's my opinion that he views everyone as being dumb and himself being the brightest of all. He projects himself onto others. He thinks because he would (or would not) do something that the same would apply to others and that's just not how the world works. His fans will believe him, the pathological liar.






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Pretty sure most very wealthy people feel that way, especially one born with a silver spoon.





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(12-01-2017 03:14 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:  [Image: 20170511_History_Repeating.jpg]
(^ copied from 'THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY' thread)

Yesterday President Trump's personal attorney John Dowd told Axios that the president can not be guilty of obstructing justice because he's the chief law enforcement in the land under the Constitution.

That's the same mindset expressed to Robert Frost by Richard Nixon shortly after his resignation in the face of being impeached.

"If the President does it, it's not illegal", Nixon said in the televised interview.

Nixon went down in good part due to evidence uncovered during the independent investigation proving that he obstructed justice in the aftermath of the Watergate break-in. His own party, the Republicans, eventually agreed that he needed to be removed from office for the good of the country.





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We don't have evidence that Donald Trump colluded with Russian operatives to swing the U.S. election (such collusion, while widely regarded as a betrayal to our republic/democracy, is not a crime in itself).

Whether Trump and/or his campaign staff did or didn't collude, he/they can still be charged with obstructing justice if there's evidence they engaged in a cover-up and lied to federal investigators. However, I personally doubt the Republican congress of today would be as inclined to put our country and democracy above party loyalty if it were to come down to it.

Anyway, a lot of parallels are being drawn between the Nixon road to articles of impeachment and the progress in today's Russian interference investigation. Of course, that doesn't mean the outcome will be the same or that Trump has broken any laws. But, it's interesting to look at historical precedents.

The BBC's 1994 'Watergate' documentary is the best I've seen - lots of actual news footage, interviews with key players in the Nixon administration, and factual narrative.








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(12-05-2017 11:32 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  I personally doubt the Republican congress of today would be as inclined to put our country and democracy above party loyalty if it were to come down to it.


From everything they've shown me they would not put the country before their party. They aren't patriots, not in any sense of the word.







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(12-03-2017 12:10 PM)Duchess Wrote:  
Looking forward to indictments with Jared & Don Jr.'s name on 'em!

Junior was grilled again by investigators for hours today. I don't know if he and Kushner will ultimately be indicted, but they're definitely persons of interest.





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(12-06-2017 09:14 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  Junior was grilled again by investigators for hours today. I don't know if he and Kushner will ultimately be indicted, but they're definitely persons of interest.


Rather than answering some questions that were asked, Jr. claimed attorney/client privilege. hah






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(12-07-2017 06:59 AM)Duchess Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 09:14 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  Junior was grilled again by investigators for hours today. I don't know if he and Kushner will ultimately be indicted, but they're definitely persons of interest.


Rather than answering some questions that were asked, Jr. claimed attorney/client privilege. hah

Yeah, I don't think that's gonna be an effective strategy to avoid answering investigators' questions about his Russia-specific campaign discussions with his dad.

Neither Trump Junior nor Trump Senior is an attorney working on the other's behalf.

Just the fact that there was reportedly an attorney present during their discussions does not amount to attorney/client privilege, as far as I know.





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(12-07-2017 10:00 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 06:59 AM)Duchess Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 09:14 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  Junior was grilled again by investigators for hours today. I don't know if he and Kushner will ultimately be indicted, but they're definitely persons of interest.


Rather than answering some questions that were asked, Jr. claimed attorney/client privilege. hah

Yeah, I don't think that's gonna be an effective strategy to avoid answering investigators' questions about his Russia-specific campaign discussions with his dad.

Neither Trump Junior nor Trump Senior is an attorney working on the other's behalf.

Just the fact that there was reportedly an attorney present during their discussions does not amount to attorney/client privilege, as far as I know.
Husband and wife are considered one under the law and if they had a discussion with their lawyer present then invoking that privilege may work. Perhaps Donald and his son have something going on we don't know about.






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