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Let's pretend Jesus is real
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The "divine right" of the ruling classes rankled the man Jeshua was, and it shows in all his acts and teachings, especially those that weren't doctored by later authors to add the "son of god" stuff. Jeshua did not consider himself anything but a champion of his oppressed Jewish people. The Hebrews had turned religion into something of a cash cow, where money lenders would sit in the vestibule of temple and offer cleansing of sin, for a price. Therefore, the rich and well-off could be absolved of all manner of transgression, while the poor were made to suffer some of the more draconian punishments of the day. This was important, because often the punishments involved death, disfigurement, enslavement or other harsh penalty. Church leaders could also simply proclaim someone as dead, regardless of their physical state, and in doing so order all the people to ignore and shun that person as if they were in fact dead
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herem_(censure)
No one dared ignore this order, and it often led to actual death for the person being shunned. If no one is allowed to feed, shelter, or otherwise interact with one declared dead, then in a harsh society like those times it literally was a death sentence.
(There is a school of thought that this may have been the condition of Lazarus, Jeshua's friend who he supposedly raised from death by telling him to get up and go home. This would have been a serious breach by Jeshua against the ruling class, something he reveled in).
Jeshua was a political activist, champion for the poor, and reserved a special hate for rich and powerful rulers. He espoused helping the weak and needy, feeding the sick, and all the things we pretend we do in his name today: but he also vilified the rich and greedy in sermon after sermon, he physically attacked the moneychangers, and swore that it was nearly impossible for rich people to get into heaven. In fact, so harsh was his anti-wealthy rhetoric that the later church had to alter some of the sermons when they became quite wealthy, softening his preaching by saying rich folk could be "poor in spirit" and still be headed for Heaven. Considering that "blessed" actually meant "wealthy" to the ancient Jews, Jeshua's assertion that the Poor and meek were the ones blessed means something entirely new. Add to that his comments about it being easier for a rich man to ride a camel through the eye of a needle than to get into heaven an, and you see where Jeshua was coming from.
He was a communist. A peasant and dangerous who sought to shake up the status quo by saying, If every man is equal under go we do not need these ruling class "go-betweens".
Something that also did not sit well with the Hebrew leaders and Rome. Again, control of the populace is incredibly important when you rule by force and they outnumber you. The slightest insurrection by the smallest sect, (Jeshua's movement was maybe 120 or so people at the time of his death) was squashed decisively. Before it could grow.
Thank god I am oblivious to the opinions of others while caught in the blinding splendor of my own cleverness.
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Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-09-2018, 02:32 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-09-2018, 03:33 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-09-2018, 04:11 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-09-2018, 05:04 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-09-2018, 06:41 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-09-2018, 06:43 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-09-2018, 11:23 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-09-2018, 11:28 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-09-2018, 11:48 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-10-2018, 12:50 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-10-2018, 06:43 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-10-2018, 01:22 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-10-2018, 01:42 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-10-2018, 01:46 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-10-2018, 05:55 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Love Child - 03-10-2018, 08:21 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-10-2018, 08:24 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Love Child - 03-10-2018, 08:31 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-10-2018, 11:16 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Tammy75 - 03-17-2018, 11:02 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-17-2018, 11:26 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-10-2018, 05:56 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-10-2018, 06:19 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-10-2018, 06:24 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-10-2018, 07:25 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-10-2018, 08:00 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-10-2018, 08:18 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Love Child - 03-10-2018, 08:26 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-10-2018, 09:23 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-10-2018, 10:19 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-10-2018, 11:52 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-10-2018, 10:35 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-10-2018, 08:34 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-10-2018, 08:38 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-10-2018, 10:54 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-11-2018, 12:12 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-11-2018, 12:24 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-11-2018, 01:21 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Blindgreed1 - 03-12-2018, 03:07 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-18-2018, 09:56 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-18-2018, 12:19 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-12-2018, 04:35 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-18-2018, 09:30 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-20-2018, 01:19 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Jimbone - 03-20-2018, 11:02 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-18-2018, 04:56 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-18-2018, 12:31 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-18-2018, 01:32 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-18-2018, 01:39 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-18-2018, 06:38 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-18-2018, 08:15 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-18-2018, 11:54 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-19-2018, 10:14 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-18-2018, 02:47 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-18-2018, 06:34 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-18-2018, 09:44 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-18-2018, 09:58 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-18-2018, 10:15 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-18-2018, 10:30 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-19-2018, 12:10 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-19-2018, 04:56 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-19-2018, 11:34 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by pyropappy - 03-19-2018, 05:31 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by pyropappy - 03-19-2018, 05:32 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-19-2018, 05:37 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-19-2018, 07:25 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-20-2018, 01:49 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-20-2018, 02:52 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-20-2018, 02:55 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-20-2018, 04:09 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-20-2018, 04:15 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-20-2018, 04:20 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-20-2018, 04:23 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-20-2018, 04:25 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-20-2018, 04:34 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-20-2018, 04:48 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-20-2018, 04:57 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-20-2018, 05:07 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-20-2018, 05:12 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-20-2018, 05:27 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-20-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-20-2018, 05:21 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-20-2018, 05:36 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-20-2018, 05:31 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-20-2018, 05:37 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-20-2018, 05:43 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-20-2018, 08:55 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-21-2018, 09:27 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-21-2018, 10:43 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-21-2018, 12:00 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-21-2018, 12:11 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-21-2018, 12:20 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-21-2018, 12:26 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-21-2018, 12:27 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-21-2018, 12:31 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-21-2018, 12:40 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-21-2018, 12:42 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-21-2018, 12:53 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-21-2018, 12:56 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Midwest Spy - 03-21-2018, 01:28 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-21-2018, 08:41 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-21-2018, 09:24 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-21-2018, 09:57 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-21-2018, 09:55 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Love Child - 03-24-2018, 12:41 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-24-2018, 10:33 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-24-2018, 10:38 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-24-2018, 06:22 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-24-2018, 06:52 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-25-2018, 04:18 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-25-2018, 11:40 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-25-2018, 11:43 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-24-2018, 10:13 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Clang McFly - 03-27-2018, 07:47 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-24-2018, 10:42 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-24-2018, 11:01 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-24-2018, 11:12 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-24-2018, 11:33 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-25-2018, 12:17 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-24-2018, 11:46 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 03-24-2018, 11:54 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-24-2018, 11:53 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-25-2018, 12:26 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-25-2018, 12:39 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 03-25-2018, 01:08 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-25-2018, 01:38 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 03-25-2018, 07:16 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-25-2018, 02:32 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-25-2018, 02:35 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-25-2018, 04:13 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-25-2018, 06:11 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Carsman - 03-25-2018, 04:36 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-26-2018, 12:44 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-26-2018, 11:22 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Jimbone - 03-27-2018, 09:41 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Clang McFly - 03-27-2018, 10:51 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-27-2018, 10:54 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Clang McFly - 03-27-2018, 11:06 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by sally - 03-27-2018, 09:56 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-27-2018, 11:07 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Clang McFly - 03-27-2018, 11:10 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 03-27-2018, 11:16 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Clang McFly - 03-27-2018, 11:25 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 03-27-2018, 11:37 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by pyropappy - 04-01-2018, 07:18 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 04-01-2018, 07:32 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 04-01-2018, 07:34 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Carsman - 04-01-2018, 07:46 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Maggot - 04-01-2018, 09:21 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 04-01-2018, 10:30 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by BigMark - 04-01-2018, 10:35 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Donovan - 04-02-2018, 05:30 PM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by HairOfTheDog - 04-02-2018, 01:38 AM
RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real - by Duchess - 04-02-2018, 04:57 AM