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Let's pretend Jesus is real
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RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real

(03-10-2018 08:26 PM)Love Child Wrote:  
(03-10-2018 08:00 PM)Duchess Wrote:  

I've never become annoyed with anyone over their faith.

That is the word I was going to bring up is faith. Most don't need proof of the existence of God or Jesus or the events in the Bible.

If religion is created to control people-I wonder who is controlling the people that I know. The pastors-the members of the churches, the congregation.
I am pretty sure most pastors felt called to the ministry and not coerced into believing that it was just a good idea.

Am I on the wrong track?

Love Child, this is what I’ve encountered during the last 10+ years at my Lutheran Church.

BTW, we’re ELCA which is the tolerant branch, not the ball-busting sect.

This church reminds me in NO WAY of the Baptist Churches I attended as a teen. Those churches preached fire and brimstone on a weekly basis. Tithe, tithe and tithe some more, but they never talked about how the offering was going to the food shelf, or housing the homeless.

Our pastor had barely known my wife and I when our daughter was born prematurely, yet there he was at the hospital that next morning checking in with us.

These people are truly ‘called’ to do what they do. They serve others, drive modest vehicles, and are just as normal as any other person in this forum.

Anyway, I’m not here to tell anyone else they’re wrong.

I am here to say that being ‘religious’ doesn’t feel like the right word.

Being Catholic seems ‘religious’.

The Hail Mary’s, doing ‘works’ to gain Heaven’s entrance, feeling guilty your whole life for everything.

Your and Duchess’ definition of Christian seems spot on.





03-10-2018 10:19 PM
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RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real

(03-10-2018 08:26 PM)Love Child Wrote:  If religion is created to control people-I wonder who is controlling the people that I know. The pastors-the members of the churches, the congregation.
I am pretty sure most pastors felt called to the ministry and not coerced into believing that it was just a good idea.

Am I on the wrong track?

No, I mentioned my grandpa who was a humble minister who lived for the lord. He had no ill intentions, but he was brain washed and so on and so on. Religion is embroiled in politics and the American way and it effects us daily. Decisions on our behalf are made on Christian principals all the time, decisions that I don't feel are right or just. So yes, your faith ( speaking in general) is greatly imposing on me. And it pisses me off.





03-10-2018 10:35 PM
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We had votes on what consenting adults should or shouldn't be able to do with their lives for Christ's sake. That in itself seems crazy. "I'm going to go in here and vote on shit that ain't even any of my goddamn business because the bible tells me to." All in the name of religion because the majority puts so much faith into absolute hogwash that they were told to believe in.





03-10-2018 10:54 PM
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(03-10-2018 05:55 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  What's fucking crazy to me is the fact that religious organizations don't pay a dime in taxes.

The government allows them to maintain tax-free status even though the larger religious organizations rake in tons of money from their followers; it's big business.

Plus, religious organizations are exempt from sales taxes on their purchases. They're exempt from property taxes. They're exempt from capital gains tax when they sell off assets.

Priests, ministers, rabbis and the like get "parsonage exemptions" in the U.S. too. That means that they're able to deduct mortgage payments, rent and other living expenses when they're doing their income taxes. They also are the only group allowed to opt out of Social Security taxes.

So, they take in billions of dollars a year and aren't required to contribute a piece of it to provide for the whole of society like other businesses and individuals.

I've always believed religious businesses should be subject to the same taxes as other businesses. But, some politicians and administrations benefit immensely from religions that help control people's thoughts and behavior. Religious organizations also deliver large voter blocks to those politicians and administrations who court them. So, unfortunately, I don't think U.S. religions will lose their tax-exempt status anytime soon, if ever.

I might agree if colleges were subject to the same taxes. Quite a few colleges are tax exempt and are constantly building new profit creating buildings, buying land to increase their ability to grow bigger. Soon they are able to become separate communities that do not give back monetarily to the communities that contain them. SNHU is a good example. Their bureaucracy continues to grow with plenty of 200,000 tier administrative jobs created every week it seems and still they are considered non-profit.

The same mentality you use with religion could be used towards upper education which last time I looked has put more people in the poorhouse, more so than any religion or religious affiliated school.






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03-10-2018 11:16 PM
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RE: Let's pretend Jesus is real

(03-10-2018 10:19 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:  
(03-10-2018 08:26 PM)Love Child Wrote:  
(03-10-2018 08:00 PM)Duchess Wrote:  

I've never become annoyed with anyone over their faith.

That is the word I was going to bring up is faith. Most don't need proof of the existence of God or Jesus or the events in the Bible.

If religion is created to control people-I wonder who is controlling the people that I know. The pastors-the members of the churches, the congregation.
I am pretty sure most pastors felt called to the ministry and not coerced into believing that it was just a good idea.

Am I on the wrong track?

Love Child, this is what I’ve encountered during the last 10+ years at my Lutheran Church.

BTW, we’re ELCA which is the tolerant branch, not the ball-busting sect.

This church reminds me in NO WAY of the Baptist Churches I attended as a teen. Those churches preached fire and brimstone on a weekly basis. Tithe, tithe and tithe some more, but they never talked about how the offering was going to the food shelf, or housing the homeless.

Our pastor had barely known my wife and I when our daughter was born prematurely, yet there he was at the hospital that next morning checking in with us.

These people are truly ‘called’ to do what they do. They serve others, drive modest vehicles, and are just as normal as any other person in this forum.

Anyway, I’m not here to tell anyone else they’re wrong.

I am here to say that being ‘religious’ doesn’t feel like the right word.

Being Catholic seems ‘religious’.

The Hail Mary’s, doing ‘works’ to gain Heaven’s entrance, feeling guilty your whole life for everything.

Your and Duchess’ definition of Christian seems spot on.

Well of course they had to modernize, the younger generation was creeped out by that archaic shit and they were losing customers. The churches here have even shamelessly reduced themselves to putting skate board ramps outside to lure them in.

It's like the Arby's commercial "We Got The Meats". As totally fucked up as that sounds people are piling in there to get their beef and cheddars.





03-10-2018 11:52 PM
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I'm still all for going back to free public colleges, initiating work/study programs, and mandated lower financing rates on student loans Mags.

But, education is a service that assists people to better their lives and future potential (career-wise and otherwise), which is good for the country. And, public colleges are not profit centers like religious organizations.

Higher education and churches don't belong in the same bucket, as far as I'm concerned.





03-11-2018 12:12 AM
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03-11-2018 01:21 AM
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(03-09-2018 02:32 PM)Donovan Wrote:  In this thread we will discuss the historical Yeshua aka Jesus, assuming for the sake of debate that he actually existed. For this purpose we will be addressing the actual man as he would have existed, in what context and under what constructions of that society, in order to support my original point that religion exists to keep the ruling classes in power and control the vast majority of the populace through threat and vague promise.

For the sake of distinction I will refer to this man as Yeshua, which is the name most historians actually ascribe to him. Participants may call him what they wish, I think we all know who we are talking about.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua

In defense of a historical Christ, as opposed to the hysterical white hippie we know today, I offer the brief mentions of both Tacitus and Josephus, non Christian contemporary figures who referred to a leader of a problematic cult who was killed by the Romans and who was called "the Christ."

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily...sus-exist/

These external references serve to validate that at some point closely corresponding with Biblical reference, a minor prophet/rabbi rose to prominence, led a select group of zealots who named themselves "christians", and was ultimately killed for reasons we will discuss later.
I believe there is enough historical evidence to prove that he did in fact exist so the thread title is a bit misleading, the question is, was he the son of god and everyone's lord and savior? Clearly to Jews he wasn't/isn't as well as Muslims, Hindu and every other religion on earth that isn't Christianity. As far as the wealth and control aspects of Dono's theory, I'd have to say that there are people out there who fit Dono's theory so perfectly that they may have well consulted Dono in making the mold. On the other hand, there are surely people out there who are the exact opposite and truly believe they are answering the call of the lord to lead their flock. I think there are people in this world that have a need to believe just the same way there are people who don't. If I were to say that Noah's Ark was actually the best way primitive man could describe aliens extracting DNA to preserve animals and humans prior to a predictable catastrophe, some would say it's logical while others would deem me blasphemous, but does anyone truly believe in their heart that some dude made a boat and filled it with all of the earths species 2 by 2? I think you might need your head examined by a professional if you do.





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I don't know I don't have to "pretend" I know he's real and nobody can ever change my mind and that's that. Although I believe he is in everything. Kinda like "the force" in star wars.






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(03-10-2018 05:55 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  What's fucking crazy to me is the fact that religious organizations don't pay a dime in taxes.

A little off topic but....

I live in Billy Graham country. I was not a huge fan of him but I think he was a good man. His son, Franklin is another story. He preaches politics from the pulpit and people eat that shit up around here.

I also live in Steven Furtick country. Not one penny of taxes are being collected off this house. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.1501934





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(03-17-2018 11:02 PM)Tammy75 Wrote:  I live in Billy Graham country. I was not a huge fan of him but I think he was a good man. His son, Franklin is another story. He preaches politics from the pulpit and people eat that shit up around here.

I also live in Steven Furtick country. Not one penny of taxes are being collected off this house. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.1501934

I hadn't heard of Steven Furtick before, Tammy.

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Yeah........it's real clear-minded to believe ^ this guy will lead you on the path to heaven or save your soul -- the higher your donations, the better your chances!

The dude is banking millions on the backs of gullible evangelicals and living in a millionaire's mansion without paying a cent of taxes on it. What a holy crock.


P.s. I agree -- Franklin is no Billy, not by a long shot.





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White evangelicals are some of the shittiest people on God's green earth. They are the dregs of society much in the same way a black crackhead in the city who robs people for drugs is. They are counterfeit Christians and they all can suck it.






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(03-12-2018 04:35 PM)Maggot Wrote:  I don't know I don't have to "pretend" I know he's real and nobody can ever change my mind and that's that. Although I believe he is in everything. Kinda like "the force" in star wars.
Jesus is in your anus? Gay.






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