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Why can't these people marry & be allowed to have the same rights that straight couples are afforded ?...Why is it even anyone business ?...Many of these people are couples that have been in many years long, commited relationships, they are monogamous to each other, some have even adopted children and are giving them loving, happy homes...You don't hear about them on the evening news because of spousal abuse, neglecting their children, being on the welfare dole, etc...Why is it even an issue, damnit !...Personally, I feel that they are entitled to everything I am and I couldn't care any less who they like to do the wild thing with in the privacy of their homes...I just don't get it.
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#2
well i will step out and say the incorrect thing....the thought of guys sucking each others dicks and fist fucking nauseates me. does it matter in my life? no. but i am still repelled. same goes for taco-munching lesbos. ::bvomit::

















































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#3
It's not "incorrect", jb...It's how you feel & I know that you are just one of many, many people who feel that way...I wanted to get some dialog going so I could better understand this issue...I've never cared how others live their life when it has had no effect on my own and I sure as hell have zero understanding of the self rightious do-gooders who think that their way is the only way.
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#4
I can't tell you how sick I felt when I woke up the day after elections to see the way the vote had gone in California. That's my home state although I'm now living in Utah (you can imagine that issue would never even come up here) and I was ashamed that my wonderful birthplace would have that many narrow minded assholes that feel that they can and should dictate how other human beings can live their lives. It doesn't effect them in the slightest.

And imagining ANYONE having anal sex grosses me out, I don't care if they're same sex or not. That has nothing to do with this.
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#5
The legal implications are big, yeah lets add another pile of people to the already over-burdened social securtity and medical insurance programs. Not to mention social service administration. ::rollseyes::
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#6
I'm gonna copy and paste something I wrote on another site because I don't feel like coming up with fresh shit when this says how I feel:

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It's ALL about rights. The right to be treated equally under law, not have your tax dollars used to discriminate against you inappropriately, and the right to not be a second class citizen in effect, through Government, because of your gender/sexual orientation.

You don't have to have a specific right mentioned in the Constitution to be correct in saying that Italian Americans have a right to not be jailed or taxed more because they are Italian Americans, for example.

Let me put it to you this way, the fundamental reasons it goes against the principles of freedom and equality to deny licenses to couples because of their race, are the same basic reasons at work for couples that are homosexual.

Government already says it is wrong to unfairly discriminate against people due to race, religion, or sex. It's a pretty easy no-brainer that gays should get the same tax-funded acknowledgment, convenience, and benefit as heterosexual couples on principle.

The fact that people are either ignorant/disrespectful of those principles or have religious poisoning going on from the past doesn't change the validity of those principles applying to homosexuals.

I feel that despite the obvious differences, the basic underlying fight to remove the ban on interracial marriages rested upon the same basic principles - the ones that the anti-discrimination and civil rights laws sit upon.


Oh, and Howie: ::finger:: I don't expect your anti-freedom British ass to appreciate any of that.
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Maggot Wrote:The legal implications are big, yeah lets add another pile of people to the already over-burdened social securtity and medical insurance programs. Not to mention social service administration. ::rollseyes::
I'm going to make a generalization here, but many MANY gays are actually fairly affluent which makes your point moot.
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#8
I can see it now......Sat morning cartoons are on and a commercial comes on with a "Mommy & Daddy" eating Cocoa Puffs with the adopted Chinese children. They look lovingly in each others eyes and with glazed emotions smile for the camera. The boy is dressed as a girl as he gets ready for school. Under his arm is a pocket-book with a here kitty-kitty logo. The little girl is told not to forget her football uniform for practice that night. and the transvestite driving the bus has WAY to much make-up on...........everyone is happy.
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#9
Right, because homosexuals and homosexuals being together have always made that happen to heterosexual people.
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#10
They would be a minority and could reap all the benefits such as trans-gender medical benefits. A whole new medical field could be created to "fix" the tools a person was born with from some evil twist of fate. Macy parades on Thanksgiving could have floats devoted to the cause. Maybe that is already happening.::dunno::
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#11
Frank you got a second vote from me for that post. And Duchess, I am 100% in agreement with you. I was participating in the same subject on 24, which I rarely do there, and I'm going to post my words here from there. They kind of say what Maggot is thinking and how you can see it's not right.

You know I really cannot understand why anyone has a problem with this. Why shouldn't gay people be allowed to legally marry?

I think it has so much less to do with religious nut job morality than it does with insurance companies hands in governmental pockets.

Yep, why? Because if gays can legally be a couple then insurance companies need to give medical and health, life and other insurances as if it were a FAMILY and not write on individual single person premiums. This is big money. I bet their prejudices go so far as to think if they did do this their odds on paying for deadly diseases are far greater because they're gay. Stupid but I'm betting true.

Certain states have the option of allowing employers to set up health insurance to their employees so that live in partners can get insurance or opt out and only allow legally married couples.

Insurance companies are nothing more than glorified gambling operations and they take chances on every premium they sell. Why should they lower the odds out of their favor? They're already fixing the game with straight people and pushing the odds in their favor now.... I know this first hand from the BS I went through this year with my homeowners insurance.


Anyone who's sitting around thinking of what goes on in a gay couple's bedroom "imagining" what disgusts you, well I'm sorry, but you're sickly obsessing on this.

What the fuck do you care? Really? How you say you want equal rights and equal treatment for all and then say one group of people cannot marry because it "disgusts you" with the things they do in public?

Being a hairdresser I know / knew plenty of gay couples, singles and couples with kids and I can assure you that there are more "normal" "behaving" and "looking" gay people out there raising families than there are the flamboyant boisterous types.

How can people walk around looking at others and 'classify' them as this or that? It's beyond me. It's sick.

Thank God that for all her faults, my mom did not raise me to be prejudiced in any way, shape or form. I cannot go out into the world looking at someone and obsess over what they might do in their private lives by the color of their skin or sexual preference or occupation etc!
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#12
Ok, my opinion won't be popular here, but I'm not here to win friends and influence people. I save that for my Biker forum.

Being a fag or a dyke is not normal to me. Just like being a baby-raper isn't normal to me. While I understand that one is legal and one is not, they are both things that I cannot wrap my brain around or understand. Maybe it's better that I don't understand them.

As I've said in other, similar discussions; I have very personal reasons for disliking faggots. Someone close to me came out of the closet after he'd married and reproduced with a girl who is very close to me. So it is personal with me. And then he raised his hands to my Mom which caused me to kick the ever-loving shit out of him, of course. So my opinion of fags is biased and I can't make any of you understand my views because I won't reveal the person this happened to, and it only makes sense to me. But, that's how I am; like it or not. I will never be accepting of faggots or dykes. It ain't normal.
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#13
I really do not give a fuck if someone is gay, it is only some of them that feel a need to be all touchy feely and like to kiss everything that is not standing still, yes I am uncomfortable when a guy is acting like a girl. Some are just like everyone else, but others are so fucking gay that it oozes out their pores. I would look at them and say "Yourone hell of a fruit get the fuck away from me"it's the ones that are visually queer and outspokenly gay that bug me. That is when they area pain in the ass. (no pun intended)
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#14
Your views are biased Sin but for the wrong reasons. This guy didn't do all this because he's a "fag" but because he is an utter piece of shit and he'd be this way no matter if he's gay or not. What you're saying all gays are like him in your eyes - a classic case of guilt by association.

The issue here is not whether gays are fucked up perverts who are sociopaths and should be locked away, it's whether they deserve rights to marry like everyone else.

If someone is fucked up, sexual orientation has nothing do to do with it, they're just fucked up - period.

You don't need to like their being gay, but the fact they have been discriminated against is the issue.

The more one is said no to the more you're going to see them protesting and making a scene. Like when black people were asking for equal rights like whites are given. They protested and marched and were in everyone's face until things changed and laws passed.


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#15
::coffee:: Ask yourself something...

If everyone in the world felt as you feel about this topic, would it allow for the evolution of humans or would it stunt our growth and encourage us to stagnate with no hope of progression.

Being negatively affected by a person who you later find out is from a certain social sect/group can have devastating affects on you that you may never get over. This may or may not continue to be that persons challenge/struggle throughout their entire life. Believe me, I know hundreds of people who continue to make an effort to understand the importance of getting past what was done to their family members in the past and they are still unable to successfully.... "get over it" so to speak.

I cannot say that any point that has been brought up here is right or wrong. What I can say is that if you have never been discriminated against because of the way you were born then it would take a very strong, intelligent, and socially sensitive parental unit to raise you with an insight deep enough to understand and accept people no matter how they were born or the choices they have made in their lives.

Not saying that you have to open loving arms to everyone no matter what, but being insightful enough to know that it is our differences that make us human would be all that is needed to propel us further down the road of evolution.

I think the human race has a brighter future ahead once the assimilation of irresponsible prejudices has been eradicated.


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#16
Ant, you're right. I lump them all together because of this one person. I have done that before, and it takes a lot for me to get past it. There was a member of Bullet's MC who did something unforgiveable, and I took an instant dislike to all themen in that Club. I told Bullet, "Fuck them ALL". I learned, over time, that the unforgiveable act was done by one, not all of the Club. I have since loosened up my dislike of the Club to dislike only one or two of the members.

I have a dear friend that I dated many eons ago who has a gay brother. I have no problems with the brother at all; I think he is a super person. So I guess I don't despise ALL gays.

As far as their rights; I have to agree that they should be given all the same rightsthat a normal person is afforded. I say that it's not freedom if it only agrees with what you believe and I maintain that. It's not their rights that I care about. It's just them being gay. I can't accept it. And I probably never will.
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#17
Sinister Wrote:Being a fag or a dyke is not normal to me. Just like being a baby-raper isn't normal to me.
Comparing those two things reflects your ignorance. No, not your opinion or view, your ignorance about gender-based sexuality. The way you lump them together is another sign or byproduct of your ignorance.

I have spoken.
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Zenith Wrote:I cannot say that any point that has been brought up here is right or wrong. What I can say is that if you have never been discriminated against because of the way you were born then it would take a very strong, intelligent, and socially sensitive parental unit to raise you with an insight deep enough to understand and accept people no matter how they were born or the choices they have made in their lives.
Well Z, I have been discriminated against to a point because of the lifestyle I have chosen. I wasn't born this way, I became this way after deciding to live the Life of a Biker. Not to the same extent other groups are discriminated against, but people see me with my friends and they cross the street to avoid coming too close to us. We get glared at when we are out in groups because we like to be loud and rowdy. We are feared by so many, when all we want is to be left alone to have our fun without people freaking out at the sight of leathers and colors and tattooes. Fortunately, people hating us doesn't have the same affect to us that, say, gay-bashing does. People won't fuck with us; they are afraid of us. For no reason whatsoever.
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Middle Finger Wrote:
Sinister Wrote:Being a fag or a dyke is not normal to me. Just like being a baby-raper isn't normal to me.
Comparing those two things reflects your ignorance. No, not your opinion or view, your ignorance about gender-based sexuality. The way you lump them together is another sign or byproduct of your ignorance.

I have spoken.

It was an example of my not understanding the lifestyle of either, Frank. I don't consider them the same in any way. I was pointing out two different ways of being that I will never comprehend. I did say that I realize one is legal and one is not, yanno. It was just the first lifestyle that came to mind. And being a baby-raper is a lifestyle, whether you think it is or not.

You have spoken? Big fuckin' deal. I can't make any of you know how I feel and I don't intend to try.
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Sinister Wrote:
Middle Finger Wrote:
Sinister Wrote:Being a fag or a dyke is not normal to me. Just like being a baby-raper isn't normal to me.
Comparing those two things reflects your ignorance. No, not your opinion or view, your ignorance about gender-based sexuality. The way you lump them together is another sign or byproduct of your ignorance.

I have spoken.

It was an example of my not understanding the lifestyle of either, Frank. I don't consider them the same in any way. I was pointing out two different ways of being that I will never comprehend. I did say that I realize one is legal and one is not, yanno. It was just the first lifestyle that came to mind. And being a baby-raper is a lifestyle, whether you think it is or not.

You have spoken? Big fuckin' deal. I can't make any of you know how I feel and I don't intend to try.
Homosexuality is not a lifestyle - that's just another ignorant phrase you picked up. Is heterosexuality a lifestyle? No. Your innate sexuality and what gender you are involuntarily attracted to is ridiculous to describe as a "lifestyle." You have swallowed an ignorant concept that goes right back to the Bible days where the dopes deemed homosexuality some bad decision or moral choice. There was no decision or choice for me to be heterosexual - it's not a lifestyle, and neither is homosexuality. What's next, liking to eat solid food is a lifestyle?

And how DARE you ruin my "have spoken" position.





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