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Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered
#61
ALL YOU WONDERFUL NEW PEOPLE...you need avatars please. it helps me keep you straight and reflects your persona. Smiley_emoticons_biggrin
maybe do an intro thread, so i can keep this thread on track.
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#62
Mr.Z mom text messaged my mom yesterday asking for money that she could borrow. My mom said no and then received a message back from Mr.Z mom that said it wasn't her who sent that, that it was Mr.Z. My mom is freaking out so she called the Detectives and said what should she do in fear of being setup for a robbery and he said that my mom is to close to Mr.Z family for him to probably do anything to her. That if anything happens to call 911 right away.
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#63
(02-04-2011, 12:22 PM)Unknown Wrote: Mr.Z mom text messaged my mom yesterday asking for money that she could borrow. My mom said no and then received a message back from Mr.Z mom that said it wasn't her who sent that, that it was Mr.Z. My mom is freaking out so she called the Detectives and said what should she do in fear of being setup for a robbery and he said that my mom is to close to Mr.Z family for him to probably do anything to her. That if anything happens to call 911 right away.

jesus! i won't be surprised if mr. z leaves town.
but your Mom should take all possible precautions. i hope she does not live alone.



















































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#64
(02-04-2011, 12:15 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: ALL YOU WONDERFUL NEW PEOPLE...you need avatars please. it helps me keep you straight and reflects your persona. Smiley_emoticons_biggrin
maybe do an intro thread, so i can keep this thread on track.
thanks!

i think YOU should do my intro thread. then I'll reply to it. then you can have your precious avatar.

fair?
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#65
(02-04-2011, 12:37 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote:
(02-04-2011, 12:15 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: ALL YOU WONDERFUL NEW PEOPLE...you need avatars please. it helps me keep you straight and reflects your persona. Smiley_emoticons_biggrin
maybe do an intro thread, so i can keep this thread on track.
thanks!

i think YOU should do my intro thread. then I'll reply to it. then you can have your precious avatar.

fair?
Duchess did one for you. i like to keep the serious crime threads on track.

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(02-04-2011, 12:37 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote: i think YOU should do my intro thread. then I'll reply to it. then you can have your precious avatar.

fair?


*ahem* LC was being gracious by asking nicely. Go read the rules & tell me that you're aware of what they are or I'll send you straight to hell. Thanks!


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#67
sounds good, feel free to delete the useless and off-topic bullshit. I will not be offended. i'm impossible to offend regardless.

oh and also feel free to make it so that i can like send private messages as well. if you dare!
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#68
Is it proper to have an avatar that makes men drool?
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#69
(02-04-2011, 01:25 PM)Unknown Wrote: Is it proper to have an avatar that makes men drool?

rib-eye steaks? Smiley_emoticons_razz

no nudity in avatars. we have a place for that. Smiley_emoticons_wink

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#70
I'm having trouble with the plastic bags over-the-head and duct tape thing.

Seems to me like a Hollywood scripted gang/drug cartel/pseudo mob murder scene . . . too cliche.

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#71
(02-04-2011, 02:05 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: I'm having trouble with the plastic bags over-the-head and duct tape thing.

Seems to me like a Hollywood scripted gang/drug cartel/pseudo mob murder scene . . . too cliche.

my thinking also. it's my belief it was "cliche" for a reason. maximum showmanship = maximum effect.

if the cops thought there were people running around killing randomly, there would have been some sort of public statement by now.

contrary to the beliefs of other, it's my opinion that the total lack of any sort of statement by LE means that they have absolutely nothing to state.
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#72
I have just heard that when the cops arrived the first time all the lights were on in the house and could hear the tv on and they said there was nothing they could legally do cause they couldn't see a disturbance and on the second call out the tv was off and the light in the house were mostly off. That means when they got there the first time the killer(s) were still in the house! My source says they either parked there car in a neighbors driveway or around the side st.
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#73
(02-04-2011, 02:05 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: I'm having trouble with the plastic bags over-the-head and duct tape thing.

Seems to me like a Hollywood scripted gang/drug cartel/pseudo mob murder scene . . . too cliche.

sounds to me that they used what was at hand. that it was spontaneous. that it was sloppy. i will bet there is all kinds of DNA evidence, and the police are waiting for results of testing.


















































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#74
My source says there was a lot of evidence at the scene. So I know they got the evidence I think there just waiting for dna evidence to come back.
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#75
(02-04-2011, 02:20 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:
(02-04-2011, 02:05 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: I'm having trouble with the plastic bags over-the-head and duct tape thing.

Seems to me like a Hollywood scripted gang/drug cartel/pseudo mob murder scene . . . too cliche.

sounds to me that they used what was at hand. that it was spontaneous. that it was sloppy.

I wouldn't be surprised. Still . . . I believe it was "Entertainment Industry" inspired. Thugs lacking originality.
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#76
this is a portion of my thinking. more than one person went to the home. they were not planning to murder. they're small-time criminals in drug trade. they were known to victims. they wanted something. all hell broke loose. they were desperate to "win" the fight that ensued. they managed to overpower the victims somehow. they did not have guns. the plastic bags and duct tape were in the home, and the only thing that was available. a baseball bat or something like kitchen knives would have been effective, but they wanted to cover their faces. because they knew them. they are not awfully intelligent. there has to be prints on the tape, and there was blood at the scene that may or may not be the victims' blood. right now they are scared shitless. they're locals.

that was just my opinion, and carries no weight. there is not a whole lot of information out there to base an opinion on. to me the most telling thing is the choice of 'weapons' (means of homicide), Johnny's possible associates from being a convict, and his mother's demeanor. she knows a LOT more than her interview and 911 calls would indicate. there were some contradictions there.

















































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#77
just because guns were not used to kill does not imply there were not guns at the scene.

guns are traceable. bags and duct tape found at the scene are not.

gloved hands will not leave DNA evidence on the duct tape.

I truly believe you've about heard the end of this story as far as the press is concerned.

am i the only one on this board that knows the area where this happened, and also knows that this is not the sort of area that is sterotypically "thug-ridden" ?
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#78
(02-04-2011, 04:22 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote: am i the only one on this board that knows the area where this happened, and also knows that this is not the sort of area that is sterotypically "thug-ridden" ?


I think LC may have commented at the beginning of this thread that this location was a quiet community. We are aware it's not an urban area.


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(02-04-2011, 05:18 PM)Duchess Wrote: I think LC may have commented at the beginning of this thread that this location was a quiet community. We are aware it's not an urban area.[/i][/size]

just wanted to be sure, I wasn't aware of how "local" any of these forum members were (or not).

my brother lives less than four miles from where this happened, the high school and town where I grew up is less than 7 miles away from the scene.
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#80
there can be trace evidence that transfers to the duct tape, such as fibers on the gloves, any animal hair or the perps hair also fingerprints can transfer. we do not know if they used gloves. the small hairs on the hand could have also transferred to the tape. if there was no real evidence that the victims were injured other then by suffocation by the bag and bruising around the neck that the puddle of blood or blood around the scene may have not been from the victims, the victims may have fought back and injured the killers. I did a simple test with duct tape and put my pair of gloves on that I have. Duct tape is very hard to use with gloves on unless you use your teeth to start to pull the duct tape apart to begin to wrap. 2 duct tape is very sticky whoever was doing the wrapping it must have taken a lot of time to wrap a decent amount of tape around someones hands and feet and head. after examining the duct tape that I used there was a lot of trace evidence on the duct tape its self on just a small piece that I used, I seen fibers from the gloves, I believe an eyebrow hair, small red fibers, a tobacco flake. I also tried to see what it looks like at the ends of the tape if you were to just rip it or bite it with your teeth. dna does transfer if they bit it with there teeth after wrapping (I do see a lil bit of saliva) and makes a funny indent in the corner from the tooth pressing on the edge compared to ripping looks more like its stretched out.

I have been over the straubs house. I know that neighborhood. there is no thugs over there, they would have probley come from the southside of toledo which is a 15 min drive to the straubs house. so you are not the only one who knows the area, I have grew up in maumee and south toledo my whole life. Yes duct tape does leave dna evidence if they had to keep wrapping the victims with a lot of duct tape small hairs from eyebrows, or the head or hairs on the gloves very well do appear on the duct tape. It is super sticky and as they wrap whatever falls onto the duct tape is sealed away until the csi unwrap it a examine it.
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