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The fiscal cliff
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(01-03-2013, 09:14 PM)Maggot Wrote: Its a common theme in most Americans minds, but the idea gets villified when it gains a little steam and begins to upset the Washington cart. Then you will see a lobbyist in action. Someday people will vote for a person that does something umselfisjy good for the country. Obama had the chance but he became part of the problem, golf, vacations, bowing to other countries and passing any blame towards others instead of taking any responsibility. I really had hope for him in the beginning.

I had hope for change too. Unfortunately, from my perspective, the change went in the wrong direction.

I agree with what you and user are saying about campaign reform being a necessity for future change and wish that the Supreme Court had not essentially declared that corporations are persons in 2010. The Occupy Movement's stance on that topic is one that I actually support.

But, I'm not sure the fiscal cliff shit pile has as much to do with pandering to campaign contributors as it does with ideological conflicts between the parties, both of which have moved so far to the extreme of either side and are more concerned with fucking each other over than with representing the people (and corporations) who elected them.

There no longer seems to exist the incentive (or perhaps ability) to negotiate and compromise wisely for the benefit of those of us not spending our days on Capitol Hill, nor to push hard for necessary future-oriented changes. Instead of the party differences serving partly as a system of checks and balances, it's become a complete pissing contest as far as I'm concerned. I hope that Obama will pleasantly surprise the hell outta me in his second term and that Congress will simply start to do its job again; things won't turn around without both.

I also believe that those of us in the working middle class are now constantly feeling like we're compromising on major issues almost every time we vote because the loudest voices are those screaming to keep and increase their entitlements for doing nothing and those screaming to protect and increase the special governmental entitlements that come from possessing great wealth. Maybe I'm wrong about that being a general feeling, but it's definitely how I feel. I've never felt this frustrated and negatively impacted by government.

I'm bumming myself out hard core, so I'm gonna stop now and resolve to just do my part and work hard at becoming as buoyant as possible while I paddle upstream hoping for positive change...
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The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 11-29-2012, 05:46 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 11-29-2012, 05:51 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 11-29-2012, 05:56 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 11-29-2012, 06:00 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 11-29-2012, 05:57 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 11-29-2012, 06:18 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 11-29-2012, 06:00 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 11-29-2012, 06:07 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 11-29-2012, 06:19 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Midwest Spy - 11-29-2012, 06:08 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 11-29-2012, 06:17 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 11-29-2012, 08:03 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 11-30-2012, 01:00 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 11-30-2012, 01:04 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 11-30-2012, 01:13 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 11-30-2012, 02:57 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 11-30-2012, 03:34 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by lbridgeland - 11-30-2012, 04:16 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 12-02-2012, 12:54 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Midwest Spy - 12-04-2012, 12:23 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-04-2012, 12:53 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 12-04-2012, 12:55 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-04-2012, 01:05 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Midwest Spy - 12-04-2012, 01:11 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 12-04-2012, 01:27 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-04-2012, 01:57 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Midwest Spy - 12-04-2012, 02:03 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Jimbone - 12-04-2012, 01:38 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 12-04-2012, 02:00 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-04-2012, 02:21 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Midwest Spy - 12-04-2012, 02:25 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Midwest Spy - 12-05-2012, 01:22 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 12-05-2012, 02:53 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-05-2012, 02:02 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 12-05-2012, 02:35 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-05-2012, 03:19 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 12-05-2012, 03:39 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 12-05-2012, 03:22 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Jimbone - 12-05-2012, 03:47 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 12-05-2012, 03:59 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Jimbone - 12-05-2012, 04:02 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-05-2012, 03:45 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 12-05-2012, 03:50 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Jimbone - 12-05-2012, 03:45 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 12-05-2012, 04:04 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 12-05-2012, 04:27 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 12-05-2012, 04:34 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 12-05-2012, 04:51 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Jimbone - 12-05-2012, 05:44 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 12-05-2012, 04:29 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 12-05-2012, 04:41 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-05-2012, 05:54 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by cannongal - 12-20-2012, 09:05 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 12-20-2012, 09:09 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by cannongal - 12-20-2012, 09:15 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 12-20-2012, 11:04 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by cannongal - 12-20-2012, 11:36 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-20-2012, 11:28 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by thekid65 - 12-20-2012, 12:04 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-20-2012, 12:09 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 12-20-2012, 10:07 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 12-21-2012, 08:00 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 12-21-2012, 12:27 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by thekid65 - 12-21-2012, 08:08 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-21-2012, 05:25 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 12-26-2012, 02:38 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by FAHQTOO - 12-26-2012, 03:07 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 12-26-2012, 03:42 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 12-26-2012, 03:13 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Midwest Spy - 12-26-2012, 03:31 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Midwest Spy - 01-02-2013, 12:05 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 12-28-2012, 03:48 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 12-28-2012, 04:07 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by BlueTiki - 12-29-2012, 11:03 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by cladking - 01-02-2013, 01:18 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by aussiefriend - 01-02-2013, 01:27 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 01-02-2013, 04:40 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-02-2013, 04:52 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 01-02-2013, 05:00 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-02-2013, 06:13 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by FAHQTOO - 01-02-2013, 06:47 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-02-2013, 07:55 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-02-2013, 10:24 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-03-2013, 10:18 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-03-2013, 04:26 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 01-03-2013, 05:39 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-03-2013, 05:48 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-03-2013, 05:55 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-03-2013, 05:56 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-03-2013, 08:10 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Midwest Spy - 01-03-2013, 08:16 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-03-2013, 08:32 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-03-2013, 08:41 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-03-2013, 08:49 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-03-2013, 09:04 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Midwest Spy - 01-03-2013, 09:14 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-03-2013, 09:23 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-03-2013, 09:14 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-03-2013, 10:21 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-04-2013, 07:44 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by FAHQTOO - 01-04-2013, 08:01 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 01-04-2013, 08:07 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by cladking - 01-05-2013, 01:04 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-06-2013, 11:51 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Jimbone - 01-06-2013, 12:24 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-06-2013, 01:09 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-06-2013, 10:11 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-06-2013, 10:14 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Jimbone - 01-06-2013, 10:17 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-08-2013, 06:19 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by OnBendedKnee - 01-08-2013, 06:53 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-08-2013, 07:30 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-08-2013, 08:58 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-09-2013, 11:49 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Jimbone - 01-09-2013, 11:58 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-09-2013, 12:07 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-10-2013, 12:33 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 01-10-2013, 12:38 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-10-2013, 03:31 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by BlueTiki - 01-11-2013, 11:04 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Midwest Spy - 01-11-2013, 12:08 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-11-2013, 11:37 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-18-2013, 10:41 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-18-2013, 10:50 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 01-19-2013, 07:24 AM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-19-2013, 12:51 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-19-2013, 06:23 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 01-19-2013, 07:15 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by username - 01-19-2013, 07:24 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by HairOfTheDog - 01-23-2013, 09:25 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 05-08-2018, 12:18 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Duchess - 05-08-2018, 12:30 PM
RE: The fiscal cliff - by Maggot - 05-08-2018, 01:02 PM