10-24-2015, 11:48 PM
All just your perspective Donovan, and so noted as such.
You asserted absolutely that people love to kill each other in the GUNS thread based, in part, on historical torture by the Chinese government. I disagree with you; the vast majority of people worldwide have never and will never kill another human being, especially not intentionally for pleasure.
Now you assert absolutely that individuals will collectively become exploited by their employers or the government unless organized labor unions bargain employment conditions on their behalf. You make your case based on some exploitation that occurred prior to the mid 20th century in the U.S. I disagree with your absolute assertion on this topic too.
I think modern labor, criminal, and civil laws deter and punish the types of past employer exploitation you cited, whether unions exist or not. And, I think it's bullshit to suggest that employees need to relinquish their freedom of choice and bargaining power to an establishment "for their (individual employees') own good and protection". My experience and education leads me to believe otherwise.
It should be strictly voluntary for employees to join labor unions. Instead, it grew to be compulsory or coercive. And, even when employees opt out of membership and dues in 'right to work' states, federal law prohibits them from bargaining for themselves in many cases. Then, those individual employees who opt out get labeled "free-riders" for supposedly benefiting from the collective bargaining without paying dues, despite the fact that unionization favors seniority and one-size-fits-all compensation over compensation based on individual performance. More bullshit, in my opinion.
In my view, unions should have to work hard on behalf of employees to attract/retain membership. Employees should not be required or coerced to join and pay dues (a large portion of which goes to political campaigning and lobbying). If enough employees believe that labor unions can do better bargaining for them collectively than they can do for themselves, unions will survive. If not, unions will become extinct. As it should be in a democratic free market society/economy.
Anyway, I'm not insisting that unions have no place in America today, though I think they presently do more harm than good. I'm saying that compulsory or coercive unionism is common and has no place in America; never did. That type of system is bad for individuals, companies, and the economy. That's one of the reasons that people/workers in half of the United States have already backed 'right to work' laws. In so doing, at least employees in those states aren't required to pay for the unionization and collective bargaining that they don't want.
You asserted absolutely that people love to kill each other in the GUNS thread based, in part, on historical torture by the Chinese government. I disagree with you; the vast majority of people worldwide have never and will never kill another human being, especially not intentionally for pleasure.
Now you assert absolutely that individuals will collectively become exploited by their employers or the government unless organized labor unions bargain employment conditions on their behalf. You make your case based on some exploitation that occurred prior to the mid 20th century in the U.S. I disagree with your absolute assertion on this topic too.
I think modern labor, criminal, and civil laws deter and punish the types of past employer exploitation you cited, whether unions exist or not. And, I think it's bullshit to suggest that employees need to relinquish their freedom of choice and bargaining power to an establishment "for their (individual employees') own good and protection". My experience and education leads me to believe otherwise.
It should be strictly voluntary for employees to join labor unions. Instead, it grew to be compulsory or coercive. And, even when employees opt out of membership and dues in 'right to work' states, federal law prohibits them from bargaining for themselves in many cases. Then, those individual employees who opt out get labeled "free-riders" for supposedly benefiting from the collective bargaining without paying dues, despite the fact that unionization favors seniority and one-size-fits-all compensation over compensation based on individual performance. More bullshit, in my opinion.
In my view, unions should have to work hard on behalf of employees to attract/retain membership. Employees should not be required or coerced to join and pay dues (a large portion of which goes to political campaigning and lobbying). If enough employees believe that labor unions can do better bargaining for them collectively than they can do for themselves, unions will survive. If not, unions will become extinct. As it should be in a democratic free market society/economy.
Anyway, I'm not insisting that unions have no place in America today, though I think they presently do more harm than good. I'm saying that compulsory or coercive unionism is common and has no place in America; never did. That type of system is bad for individuals, companies, and the economy. That's one of the reasons that people/workers in half of the United States have already backed 'right to work' laws. In so doing, at least employees in those states aren't required to pay for the unionization and collective bargaining that they don't want.