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Iran deal, good deal, or bad deal?
(05-08-2018, 01:08 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: The Israeli Defense Force


Thanks for responding, MS. I'm not someone who is a fan of Israel. I don't support them, I don't trust them. I view them the same as they view those who they call terrorists.

As an aside, this does not bode well for the upcoming talks with North Korea. They have no reason to believe any deal they make won't be reneged on like this one is. I suppose it's irrelevant, NK will never give up their nukes. I'm as certain as I can be that Kim views them as insurance and he has them in a death grip.
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I’d agree that I can’t see Kim just willingly giving up the only real chip he has.

Not sure what is really happening there.

Must be a ton of ‘back-channeling’ going on.
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(05-08-2018, 11:52 AM)Duchess Wrote: Is there a plan to contain the nuclear threat when trump pulls out today?

I haven't seen anything official laid out. Trump has simply criticized Obama and Kerry for negotiating what he calls 'the worst deal in the history of the world', which conflicts with the views of his own military heads and advisers and all of our participating allies.

Over the last 16 months, I've seen nothing solution-oriented from Trump. Rather, he's only ordered others to fix the deal or else he'll withdraw the U.S. from the unilateral agreement.

Meanwhile, Netanyahu is unsurprisingly alluding to military action against Iran, his arch enemy (well, one of them anyway).

And, crazy Rudy Giuliani publicly proclaimed this weekend that he and Trump want to force regime change in Iran.........because overthrowing governments always works out so well for us and the rest of the world. The war mongerers and profiteers are likely drooling.

Best case scenario if Trump withdraws the U.S. from the agreement, in my opinion: Iran agrees to stay in it with France, Germany, U.K., Russia and China; the IAEA inspections continue; and Iran's improved economy and cultural changes help Iranian citizens to continue chipping away the power of the Mullahs. Agreements are then renewed/improved when current provisions expire years from now.

But, if Trump not only withdraws but also slaps more sanctions on Iran........I can see Iran considering it as proactive U.S./Israeli aggression and possibly saying fuck it to the deal altogether. Resuming Uranium enrichment under those circumstances could be seen/sold as a matter of defense for Iran.

Anyway, Trump is scheduled to make his announcement within the hour. It will be interesting to see how Iran and our abandoned allies respond if he withdraws the U.S. I already know how his nationalist core supporters and extremist hawks will respond.
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(05-08-2018, 01:40 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: if Trump not only withdraws but also slaps more sanctions on Iran........


This is precisely what I've heard is going to happen.

A couple of journalists have reported that Pence is up on the Hill telling lawmakers that trump is withdrawing. President Macron has pretty much confirmed the withdrawal as well.

...that fat fuck better not lie and say Iran isn't complying. Those that matter completely disagree so it will be a big fat lie if trump says the opposite
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Welp. There it is. The United States violated the agreement.
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45846688jerry Time will tell.
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This result of yesterday's welching was predictable, especially in combination with the recent attacks on Iranian-based forces by Israel inside Syria (about which Putin has reportedly grown very frustrated with Netanyahu).

Tonight, Israel is reporting that Iran fired missiles at its Iron Dome but that no Israelis were killed. Israel then launched a massive multi-site attack against Iranian military installations.

Tonight's strikes come one day after Syria accused Israel of launching missile strikes targeting an Iranian military outpost in Kisweh, south of Damascus. According to the war observatory, 15 people were killed by the strikes on May 9, among them eight Iranian fighters.

Last month, an attack on Syria's T4 air base in Homs province killed seven Iranian military personnel, and Israel was accused of striking government outposts in northern Syria, killing more than a dozen pro-government fighters, many of them Iranians.

Israel has neither confirmed nor denied most of the air strikes. But for months, it has repeatedly said it will not accept a permanent Iranian military presence in Syria.

Yesterday, immediately following Trump's announcement that he was pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal, Netanyahu traveled to Moscow to meet with Putin. Russian officials say Putin was warned in advance of the strikes.

Russian pro-government forces are fighting in coordination with Iranian pro-government forces inside Syria. Israeli forces have not struck any Russian military installations inside Syria however.

Israel says it's not looking to escalate tensions with Iran though. Uh huh. War is the ultimate diversion for leaders facing scandals and/or investigations, along with serving as justification/ catalyst to force regime change.

Also today, Saudi Arabian leaders said that they'll find a way to get nuclear weapons if Iran is free to re-start its nuclear development.

I hope this isn't heading where it looks to be heading.


Refs:
https://www.rferl.org/a/israel-claims-ir...18395.html
https://bdnews24.com/world/2017/04/27/is...us-airport
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...srael.html
http://thehill.com/policy/international/...ear-weapon
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(05-10-2018, 01:09 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Also today, Saudi Arabian leaders said that they'll find a way to get nuclear weapons if Iran is free to re-start its nuclear development.

I hope this isn't heading where it looks to be heading.


Arms race?

Is there a plan? What happens now? Does this administration think Iran will bend the knee?
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(05-10-2018, 02:10 PM)Duchess Wrote:
(05-10-2018, 01:09 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Also today, Saudi Arabian leaders said that they'll find a way to get nuclear weapons if Iran is free to re-start its nuclear development.

I hope this isn't heading where it looks to be heading.


Arms race?

Is there a plan? What happens now? Does this administration think Iran will bend the knee?

Israeli Defense Forces.

We get a real nice look at what our weaponry is capable of.

Iran needs to play ball with the world or suffer the consequences.

North Korea can/could eventually rejoin the world, however, Iran suffers from that ideology problem, specifically with the Jewish state.

It’ll cost them in the end, or they could wind up drawing the entire region into a major conflict.
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Please, no more war. This is going to sound trite, mostly because I don't know of a better way to frame it but how come people can't be happy in their own little slice of heaven, live how they want, rule how they want, everyone mind their own business, what's yours is yours and what's mine is mine. I know that's overly simplistic and sounds naive. Stop killing people because they don't agree with you, let people live on their own land in peace & harmony.
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Bah..........Trump will deal with Iran like he dealt with N.K. heads exploded back then and Trump won despite all the whining from the pussies , Iran knows they are not dealing with a back-down president and know they have to deal or die.
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