Cliven Bundy vs. Government land management

[HairOfTheDog]

Here's an enhanced/zoomed clip of Finicum reaching for his waistband/gun, a couple of times, before being shot.



No doubt about it.

[HairOfTheDog]

I really hope that Cliven Bundy is arrested for his crimes very soon. He's such a complete asshole.

Yesterday, in conflict with his son Ammon's instructions for remaining occupiers to leave and avoid physical force, Cliven encouraged them to stay.

[F.U.]

That's when he reportedly made a move for his waistband (hard for me to see) where he kept his Colt and was shot.

He was reaching towards his left side, but he was right handed and wore his sidearm on his right side.

The cop that actually gunned him down was nowhere near his car, he was hiding in the woods. Then came out and shot him in the back.

Looks like a ambush to me.

[HairOfTheDog]

I'm sure it does look like that to you, F.U. I wouldn't expect you to look at that video and see it for what it is; a wanted man who kept reaching for his waistband when LE was trying to apprehend him.

Do you think he kept reaching there because he felt the need to tuck in his shirt before going to jail? Do you think he had a white flag tucked in his boxers and he was just desperately trying to pull it out and peacefully surrender? Do you look at that video and see him being executed while on his knees in the snow with his hands up, as has been described by other anti-government conspiracy peeps? Do you think LE sent subliminal messages to Finicum while he was stopped in the middle road and forced him to make a run for it instead of being taken in peacefully like those in the other vehicle?

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if you answered, "yes" to any or all of those questions. And, that's fine. I think the evidence clearly points to Finicum making good on his promise -- he'd die fighting rather than spend a day in a concrete box. That's all folks.

[F.U.]

Ok, now you are just being a smart ass. Yes he ran when stopped. So would I have. No I don't think he is tucking in his fucking shirt or reaching for a white flag. No he wasn't on his knees. Subliminal messages? Really? No I don't believe that, but I am starting to believe that you are. To me it looks like a guy that didn't want to go to jail, ran, got caught in a trap, and the trap snapped shut. How do you know that he was reaching for a gun? Assumptions, that's how. How do you know he wasn't reaching there because they shot him once already? I cant say that is a fact, but like you usually do I will wait for the evidence before I decide what he was doing. If he was reaching for a gun when the killer come running out of the woods [WTF was he doing in the woods in the first place?] don't you think they would have that proof splattered all over the place to cover their asses and hopefully defuse any future gun play?

[HairOfTheDog]

Sorry F.U., I'll let you play, "what the garsh darn hell were law enforcement officers doing at a roadblock set up to stop criminals who might make a run for it anyway!?!?" with someone else.

It's obvious to me. No mystery. The evidence speaks for itself.

If more details are released that change what I've already seen and heard with my own eyes and ears, I'll consider it then.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

So, in a 26+ minute video the critical part seems to be about 8 seconds worth, most are like that I guess.
I saw a guy run, stupid but not a death sentence.
Then when he tried to go around the road block he ran over a cop....Death Sentence, right there...
So he is stumbling around in the snow and there are 2 cops right there. The one from the trees didn't bother much to see if he was going to comply and shot him in the face, not in the back, he fell on his back.
FU you made a point maybe he had been shot once already, could be, but it came from a situation he created, then escalated and then escalated again.
HOTD is a smartass, but I have to go with her on this one. He decided he was not going to jail and did everything he could to make sure he didn't other than get out of the truck blazing with 2 handguns.
Strictly speaking did the cop need to shoot? No I don't think so, but there sure as hell wasn't a reason not to.

[F.U.]

1 lone cop in the middle of nowhere, in snow deep enough that they would be easier than a wounded deer to trail. Hmmmm. I am sure he was just out there taking a piss. He would never be out there laying in wait to kill someone. I mean the police force would never and has never shot someone in cold blood before. Maybe if it had ben a citizen with a permit to carry, then you would say Hey that guy was just out to kill someone. FFS
I have remained silent for 8 pages now and I will again be silent and let the entire group of you bash them as I wait for some real evidence. Not just what the killer cops want you to see.

[Blindgreed1]

If he was black... Everybody would be losing their shit right now.

[Duchess]

Yes he ran when stopped. So would I have.

Why would you run? I thought you were this good, ol' boy never meaning no harm.

[Duchess]

Muthafucka got exactly what he deserved. He's been saying for weeks he'd fight to the death, saying he'd pull a gun. Fuck 'em. These nutjob bitches breed like bunnies, their gene pool won't take hit.

[HairOfTheDog]

Finicum was actually the only one of the occupiers who didn't make your head hurt just listening to him, in my opinion.

There are four dipshits left at the wildlife center now. The very large dipshit with a big fat mouth in the video clip below is Sean Anderson.



His wife Sandy and the other two remaining 'patriots' won't vacate unless the FBI promises not to arrest Big Sean. Shockingly enough, Sean has a criminal record and open warrants aside from any related to the occupation.

He is truly a moron of the highest order. How much more evidence would a prosecutor need to get a conviction on conspiracy to impede federal officers than this video; this video that the occupiers posted up for all to see? It's the one where Anderson implores people to come to the wildlife center for Armageddon and to kill LEOs or anybody who tries to stop them. He seems to be begging for a bloodbath that's just not coming.

Yeah, LE is gonna let this unstable slob walk away scot free.

[Blindgreed1]

Finicum was actually the only one of the occupiers who didn't make your head hurt just listening to him, in my opinion.

There are four dipshits left at the wildlife center now. The very large dipshit with a big fat mouth in the video clip below is Sean Anderson.



His wife Sandy and the other two remaining 'patriots' won't vacate unless the FBI promises not to arrest Big Sean. Shockingly enough, Sean has a criminal record and open warrants aside from any related to the occupation.

He is truly a moron of the highest order. How much more evidence would a prosecutor need to get a conviction on conspiracy to impede federal officers than this video; this video that the occupiers posted up for all to see? It's the one where Anderson implores people to come to the wildlife center for Armageddon and to kill LEOs or anybody who tries to stop them. He seems to be begging for a bloodbath that's just not coming.

Yeah, LE is gonna let this unstable slob walk away scot free.

Is that fricken backhoe behind him working on a fricken super cut?

[Duchess]

The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING!

I'm so glad that fat fuck documents his stupidity.

[Adub]

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[Duchess]

They want a pardon? Do I understand that correctly? I die.

[Adub]

Back to LaVoy. This is the new narrative since the video has been released...

Bundy Ranch

LaVoy placed himself in harms way to protect others in the vehicle. He is a peacemaker who loves his neighbor.
This cannot be America. We must restore it.

https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/?fref=ts&ref=br_tf

[Duchess]

https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/?fref=ts&ref=br_tf

I read a little on that page. It's crazy, wild to see them all agreeing with what those men were (and are) doing. So many of them actually believing it's their constitutional right.

They truly believe that LaVoy was murdered in cold blood and they deny what is right in their face. Over nine thousand people liked that one post.

[F.U.]

Thanks for posting that link Adub. I didn't even think to look for a FB page.

[HairOfTheDog]

They want a pardon? Do I understand that correctly? I die.

Yeah, they expanded their demands. These are not bright people, just disgruntled dimwits who can't get their initial demands met and are now trying to negotiate upwards. It's counter-intuitive, of course, and they're just going in circles like dizzy fools.

Earlier this week, the judge said that bond release wouldn't even be considered for the arrested Bundys and company until the wildlife center was unoccupied, for obvious reasons. Then, Ammon Bundy told the remaining dipshits to go home. I don't know if that's why he told them to go home or not, but that's what happened.

Well, since the final four were apparently more worried about helping Sean Anderson avoid paying his dues to society than the cause or the wishes of its leaders, they did not go home. They stayed put, partying and making videos of their delusional campfire conversations, and shouting for people to come fight with them against the government and kill people.

Meanwhile,Cliven Bundy chimed in and advised the occupiers to stay, lest they have to start all over again somewhere else.

So, unsurprisingly, yesterday the judge denied bond to the defendants. She said by the very nature of their offenses and what was going down, they could not be trusted to come back to Oregon for scheduled court hearings (if they're like dad, she's right -- Cliven Bundy has been dodging his court appearances for almost 2 years now).

Ammon Bundy again asked the occupiers to vacate and told the judge it was never supposed to be a stand-off. Well, he's lying or he is a very weak leader or both. The people left at the wildlife center are practically begging for a stand-off (as were the original occupiers, in my opinion).

Today, fat mouth Sean Anderson, who is from Riggins, Idaho, streamed a video from the occupation saying that he and the other occupiers are heroes. "Think about the Bible and all the heroes came from the bottom. We were just four drunks, we don't have any military experience, and now we're the shining stars," he said. He keeps claiming the government wants to murder them and the media wants a bloodbath, though no action to remove them has been taken and the media is gone. He is also imagining he's hearing gun shots and then cyring false alarm. Nutbag. "It's either all of us out or all of us dead," he said today.

These people don't need the federal government or any authorities to fuck them over, they're fucking themselves and each other over left and right.

Refs:
http://www.ccenterdispatch.com/news/stat...15722.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/28/us/oregon-...e-arrests/