(22-Jul-2018) NOTICE: Mockforums.net has been upgraded. Please post any issues/queries. Thank you!


Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 4 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
SUPREME COURT: JUSTICE SCALIA DEATH AND SCOTUS CHANGES
Ford is already facing a shitload of disparagement.  She has a tough road to hoe in coming forward, no doubt about it.  I fully understand her hesitation and believe that agreeing to take a lie detector test and passing it works in her favor in terms of added credibility.  

Since I haven't heard Ford nor Kavanaugh tell their stories and answers questions about Ford's allegations, I don't have a firm opinion at this point.

One thing I know for sure.............Senator Orrin Hatch isn't qualified to credibly declare that "the woman's mixed up" simply because he likes Kavanaugh and he apparently hasn't evolved an iota since his Anita Hill days (though he does seem a little less ignorant and gossipy than Maggot in these kinds of cases).

Anyway, even if  both Ford and Kavanaugh testify, there very likely won't be hard evidence available to present -- it often doesn't exist in these types of cases, even in criminal courts after thorough investigations have been conducted.
Reply
Absence hard evidence, Kavanaugh's SCOTUS viability will likely be determined by the judgments of millions of individuals in the court of public opinion and how most of the voting senators believe it will affect their careers, in my opinion.

I think it makes sense to have the FBI or an independent investigator go back and look into Kavanaugh's relationships with women specifically -- deeper and more focused background screen. If there's nothing there and the allegation by Ford is an isolated incident, then the conservatives and objective viewers can feel more confident about his qualifications. If additional concerning background is uncovered, then the President has the option to pull his nomination or leave it to the senate to decide.

I don't see how taking a couple of weeks to look into it could be viewed as an effective 'delay tactic' by the Dems. The Supreme Court is able to decide cases now and until the next SCOTUS judge is confirmed. We went a full year minus a judge after Justice Scalia died.
Reply
He is a shoe in
I never used to finish sentences but now....
Reply
If this was not a delay tactic and a womans rights issue Feinstien would be going after Kieth Ellison.
You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.
Reply
(09-18-2018, 08:47 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Ford is already facing a shitload of disparagement.  She has a tough road to hoe in coming forward, no doubt about it.  I fully understand her hesitation and believe that agreeing to take a lie detector test and passing it works in her favor in terms of added credibility.   

Anyway, even if  both Ford and Kavanaugh testify, there very likely won't be hard evidence available to present -- it often doesn't exist in these types of cases, even in criminal courts after thorough investigations have been conducted.

I want Ford to testify, no matter how she does it. Her not testifying would add credibility to her detractor's arguments and only further their entrenched opinions to move forward with the Kavanaugh appointment. I hope she has some blockbuster evidence like Monica's dress or can describe in detail the HARD evidence.
[Image: giphy.gif]
I WISH I WERE GAY LIKE SKI
Reply
Well, maybe the ongoing offers and counter offers will result in Ford testifying on Monday under mutually agreeable terms.

I'd like to see President Trump authorize a specific enhanced background check before then, but that doesn't appear likely.

Anyway, I'm sure you're right that Ford's detractors are using her current unwillingness to appear without any such investigation against her.

On the other hand, those who support her and those who are undecided pending more information probably view the fact that she's asking for professional investigation of her allegation to be another indicator that she's likely telling the truth.
Reply
It's only fair to do some investigating and I want people on the record. I don't feel that's a lot to ask.
[Image: Zy3rKpW.png]
Reply
(Yesterday, 01:17 PM)Ski at 1SKY6 Wrote:
(09-18-2018, 08:47 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Ford is already facing a shitload of disparagement.  She has a tough road to hoe in coming forward, no doubt about it.  I fully understand her hesitation and believe that agreeing to take a lie detector test and passing it works in her favor in terms of added credibility.   

Anyway, even if  both Ford and Kavanaugh testify, there very likely won't be hard evidence available to present -- it often doesn't exist in these types of cases, even in criminal courts after thorough investigations have been conducted.

I want Ford to testify, no matter how she does it. Her not testifying would add credibility to her detractor's arguments and only further their entrenched opinions to move forward with the Kavanaugh appointment. I hope she has some blockbuster evidence like Monica's dress or can describe in detail the HARD evidence.

Kavenaugh's innocent of the charges she has made against him and for such a smear on his character she better be able to defend against the defamation. Kavenaugh has lawyered up.
I never used to finish sentences but now....
Reply
There are no 'charges' against Brett Kavanaugh. This isn't a criminal or civil court case.

It's a case of a citizen challenging the moral qualifications of a nominee for a lifetime seat on the highest court in the land based on her alleged experience with him back in high school.

The alleged witness to the alleged assault is unwilling to testify on Kavanaugh's behalf in front of Congress and would be obliterated by any decent prosecutor if criminal charges were filed (which will almost certainly not happen and hasn't been threatened).

Whatever really happened or didn't happen 35 years ago between Ford and Kavanaugh, Kavanaugh would be an idiot not to have an attorney advising him, and he'd be an idiot to threaten/file defamation charges no matter how his nomination plays out. That would only keep the allegations and questions in the news. I don't believe Kavanaugh is an idiot.

Defamation cases are typically very costly and extremely difficult to win; defamation requires intent and malice. Ford reportedly passed a lie detector test, likely because it happened just as she says or because she believes it did, in my opinion.
Reply